Privateer Bikes finally launch Gen 2 range and pre-sales

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After three years of development, 500,000m of descent, an Ard Rock triumph, plenty of rumours, and a few spy photos, Privateer finally introduces the Gen 2 range.

Here’s the typically thorough and useful PR info straight from Privateer…

What matters to the privateer: Geometry, Kinematics, Durability & Serviceability

• A-L-P Suspension
• Forward thinking geometry
• Size-specific chainstays
• Adjustable rear centre
• MX (mixed wheel) or 29in wheels on all sizes.
• Available as framesets or complete bikes.

After 3 years of development, 500,000m of descent, an Ard Rock win, plenty of rumours, and a few spy photos, we’re pleased to finally introduce the Gen 2 range of Privateer Bikes.

Designed from the ground up to charge hard and go big, the Gen 2 range boasts our newly developed A-L-P Suspension platform, features rear center and mixed wheel flip chips, our forward-thinking balanced geometry, plus we’ve boosted durability with oversized bearings.

Developed with input from Privateer riders Joe Connell, Katy Curd and Fergus Ryan, Gen 2 is all about confidence and predictability because if you’re feeling confident, you’ll ride harder and go bigger!

A-L-P Suspension

Aligned Linear Progression Suspension

• Sensitive and supple at the start of the stroke.
• Coil like feel even with an air shock.
• Great pedal support across all gears.
• Stable under braking.
• Plenty of bottom-out resistance for riding hard in all situations.
• Linear response for predictability and confidence.

As the development of Gen 2 kicked off, so did the discussion around adopting a new suspension platform. At the time, we saw a lot of interest in high-pivot, mid-pivot and 6-bar suspension designs. We evaluated each based on what we felt riders wanted from Gen 2 and came to the conclusion that an evolution of the Horst link platform offers the characteristics that we were after. While alternate platforms all have their benefits, Horst link offers highly customisable anti-rise and anti-squat values, enabling us to develop our highest performing kinematics and a consistent and predictable ride. Predictability is key! If you know exactly what to expect from your bike, you’ll feel confident, and if you feel confident, you’ll ride harder and faster.

Gen 2 bikes each feature the A-L-P Suspension (Aligned Linear Progression) platform, a system that has been designed to be super predictable and easy to ride hard.

When designing the suspension of Gen 2, we looked at 3 key areas, how they affect the ride of the bike and how we could design them to offer the predictability that we are after.

• Leverage Ratio: A-L-P Suspension offers a low force at the back wheel (a high leverage ratio) at the start of travel. This means it delivers excellent grip at the beginning of the stroke, and less force is transmitted to the rider, minimising fatigue while you’re charging hard on trails. The high leverage ratio at the start also easily overcomes stiction in the shock seals for a coil-like feel even with an air shock. We’ve aimed for a leverage rate as linearly progressive as possible to offer predictability. The progression at the end of the stroke provides plenty of bottom out resistance, so when you’re charging hard on unfamiliar trails, the bike will be able to take whatever you throw at it.

• Anti Rise: We wanted Gen 2 bikes to offer a balance of chassis stability and braking traction so you know you can brake late with confidence. We also wanted A-L-P Suspension to behave consistently no matter where it is in the travel, so again, it builds confidence to ride hard, and you can focus on enjoying the terrain.

• Anti Squat: The A-L-P Suspension platform provides a great balance of pedaling support and traction in all gears so you can always get the power down efficiently. As you get into harder gears, the anti-squat increases, so when you’re out of the saddle sprinting, you get the additional pedal support that you need. And again, that consistent anti-squat throughout the travel gives you that predictability that we’re all after to ride as fast as we can!

• Custom-Tuned Fox Suspension: Working closely with Fox, all Gen 2 bikes and framesets use a custom-tuned shock to get the best performance from our A-L-P Suspension platform.

Balanced Geometry

• Size-Specific chain stays
• Adjustable rear centre
• Flip-chip to enable MX (29/27.5) configuration
• Steep seat tube angle
• Full insertion seat tube

With our approach to confidence and predictability, we wanted to offer a balanced geometry that would suit riders of all styles, abilities and sizes. Luckily, much of the hard work had already been done through our considered approach to geometry on our Gen 1 bikes. Still, a few small but important tweaks were made to make the most of our new platform. Gen 2 bikes feature longer rear centres and wheelbase lengths and longer head tube lengths on larger sizes. All of these small changes make Gen 2 bikes more balanced and confidence-inspiring.

• Mixed Wheel Flip-Chip: Having the option to switch between a 29-inch rear wheel and a smaller 27.5-inch rear wheel on your Gen 2 bike is great way to dial in your bike to suit your riding preferences and terrain. Our flip-chip system allows riders to switch between wheel sizes without affecting the geometry or upsetting the balance of your bike.

(P1 complete bikes ship as a mixed wheel. P2-P4 ship in full 29in. All sizes will accommodate 29in and 27.5in rear wheels. We will be offering incredible pricing on additional rear wheel options, complete with tyre and tubeless set up, when purchasing your Gen 2 so you can run your bike how you like from day one.)

• Adjustable rear centre: The only thing better than size-specific chainstay lengths is adjustable size-specific chainstay lengths. Gen 2’s flip chip increases the rear centre by +10mm from the standard length. Rear center adjustability allows you to customise your bike for your next race, uplift day, or a tight, twisty day at the trail center. Our flip-chip requires no additional hardware to adjust from ‘normal’ to ‘long’ settings, thanks to a cleverly designed reversible brake adapter mount.

• Size-specific chainstays: Size-specific chainstays grow in length as reach increases on larger frames. This ensures the rider is perfectly balanced on the bike. We were one of the early adopters of size-specific chainstays, and we’ve carried this forward-thinking approach to geometry to our Gen 2 bikes.

• Steep seat tube angle: Gen 2 bikes continue with our approach to seat tube angles that promote climbing efficiency. The Gen 2 161 sports an 80-degree effective (77-degree actual) seat tube angle, and the Gen 2 141 gets a 78.5-degree effective (76.5-degree actual) seat tube angle. Plus, the updated full insertion seat tube design gives you plenty of room to slam your dropper post completely for going big.

Durability and serviceability

• 42mm, full complement, Enduro Max main bearings
• Secondary seals on all bearings
• Forged one-piece rocker
• Easy access cable and hose routing
• Single sided hardware
• Extensive custom designed frame protection
• Replaceable ISCG mounts
• Room for a large bottle and tool on every size

We design bikes for privateer riders and racers, the type of rider who rides hard all day everyday, and demands long-lasting durability and ease of maintenance. To keep your Gen 2 bike running for longer with minimal maintenance, we’ve upgraded our bearing hardware, introduced secondary seals, and ensured all pivot hardware is single-sided for simple, trail-side bolt checks. Ride more, wrench less!

• Enduro Max full compliment bearings: Gen 2 Privateer bikes feature full complement 42mm Enduro Max main bearings. Full complement bearings increase the number of balls by utilising space usually taken by ball retainers. Increasing the number of balls allows for more load capacity than standard bearings and resists the high forces Gen 2 bikes were designed to withstand. High-quality seals and high-pressure grease keep them protected from the elements and run smoother for longer.

• Sealed single-sided pivot hardware: Our single-sided hardware makes maintenance easy and requires a single tool to be used on just one side of the pivot hardware. This makes trailside checks a breeze, and because each bolt boasts additional ‘O’ ring seals, you can be confident your bearings will be safe from the elements.

• Forged one-piece rocker: Our A-L-P Suspension platform uses an updated forged one-piece rocker. We forge our linkage as it creates a much stronger structure. Our bearing seats are machined with precision to ensure perfect bearing alignment to increase bearing life and enhance suspension performance.

• Replaceable ICSG tabs: Bash guards and chain guides can take a beating on the trail, so to avoid any unwanted damage occurring to your Gen 2 frame, we’ve built replaceable ISCG tabs with a keyed fitment to prevent movement even when ridden under the harshest of conditions.

• External cable routing: Easy access hose and cable routing make maintaining and servicing your bike nice and simple, and our secure cable/hose clamps ensure there is no unwanted rattle on the trail.

• Room for a large bottle and tool on all sizes: Once you’re out on the trail, we want you to stay out there enjoying yourself for as long as possible. With each size of Gen 2 Privateer from size P1-P4 having clearance for a 600ml bottle and a dedicated tool mount, you can stay hydrated and be prepared for the unexpected.

• Extensive custom frame protection: The custom-designed chainstay and seat stay protectors prevent chain slap and rubbing, while a downtube protector guards against rock strikes, keeping your Gen 2 quiet and minimising damage. (the frame protection shown in these launch assets are pre-production samples. Production models will be black)

Gen 2 Privateer 141

The Privateer 141 is our well-rounded, all-mountain and trail bike. Designed to be agile and offer pure riding fun. Capable of hanging with big travel bikes and attacking enduro tracks while remaining lively on your home trails. If you split your time between all day sessions and local enduro races, the Privateer 141 offers the best of both worlds.

Boasting 141mm or rear wheel travel matched to a 150mm fork, the Privateer 141 offers the same level of durability and adjustability as the 161 but with a trail/all-mountain focused geometry.

Gen 2 141 Frameset Highlights

• 29in or MX
• 141 rear wheel travel
• Enduro Max Full Compliment bearings
• Flip Chip rear centre adjustment
• Size Specific chain stays
• Custom-tuned Fox Float X Performance Elite
• 6061 T6
• Price: £1,889 / €2,089 / $2,389
*Headset, axle, ISCG, seat clamp included.

Gen 2 141 Complete Bike Highlights

• 29in (F 29/R 27.5 size P1)
• Fox 36 Performance Elite, 150mm
• Custom-tuned Fox Float X Performance Elite
• SRAM GX 1 x 12
• Hayes Dominion A4, 4 piston brakes
• HUNT Enduro Wide V2 wheelset
• Maxxis Assegai EXO+ front, DHR II DD rear
• Price: £4,289 / €4,789 / $5,389

Gen 2 Privateer 161

The Gen 2 Privateer 161 follows in the footsteps of the original, built to be ripped and raced out of the box and provide seasons of trouble-free hammering. The Gen 2 161 boasts 161mm of travel out of the box, but with the option to over stroke the frame to 174mm and run a dual crown fork, the 161 is more versatile than ever.

As you would expect, the 161 is suited to riders spending most of their riding time racing enduros, hitting sketchy off-piste lines or lapping the bike park.

Gen 2 161 Frameset Highlights

• 29in or MX
• 161mm rear wheel travel
• Enduro Max full complement bearings
• Flip chip rear centre adjustment
• Size specific chain stays
• Custom-tuned Fox Float X2 Performance Elite
• 6061 T6
• Price: £1,979 / €2,179 / $2,479
*Headset, axle, ISCG, seat clamp included.

Gen 2 161 Complete Bike Highlights

• 29in (F 29/R 27.5 size P1)
• Fox 38 Performance Elite, 170mm
• Custom-tuned Fox Float X2 Performance Elite
• XT/SLX 1 x 12
• Hayes Dominion A4, 4 piston brakes
• HUNT Enduro Wide V2 wheelset
• Maxxis Assegai DD front, DHR II DH rear
• Price: £4,379 / €4,879 / $5,479

Preorder and receive a free rear wheel!

Make the most of the mixed-wheel compatibility of our Gen 2 bikes with a free rear wheel! Customers taking the opportunity to preorder a Gen 2 141 or Gen 2 161 before 30th April 2024 will receive a rear wheel and tyre free of charge, meaning you can enjoy the benefits of full 29in or mixed-wheel options right out of the box! (Customers ordering a P1 size bike will receive an optional 29-inch rear wheel and tyre. Customers ordering P2-P4 will receive an optional 27.5-inch wheel and tyre).

Availability

Being sensitive to the current difficulties in the bike industry, we have decided to limit quantities of Gen 2 bikes for the 2024 season. Pre-sales for Gen 2 bikes and framesets begin today 16th February. Frames will be in stock from May week 1, and bikes in stock from May week 5.

We’re also excited to announce that Gen 2 bikes will be shipping directly from our UK, U.S and newly opened E.U offices to serve customers globally with sales and aftermarket support.

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  • Privateer Bikes finally launch Gen 2 range and pre-sales
  • droplinked
    Full Member

    That’s a top tube only a mother could love

    markspark
    Free Member

    Think we’d all appreciate a higher stack height but there’s got to be a better way than bending the top and down tube to achieve it. And all that progression, gonna have to run some serious spring rate in the fork to try and balance it out

    WildHunter2009
    Full Member

    I was eagerly awaiting this as the 141 is/was on my shortlist for first full suss in a long time. Def would need to see in the flesh now as the the pictures are a bit gopping. I thought the gen 1 was a good looking bike but these urgh. People seem to love Ibis, Niners and Pivots though so it probs won’t matter.

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    ditch_jockey
    Full Member

    I’m sure most people riding it could do with losing 5 or 6 lbs themselves…

    Really hope you’re not part of their marketing team 😂

    Rubber_Buccaneer
    Full Member

    Are the bends in the tubes not for practical reasons? Downtube has to allow clearance for the wheel then the top tube follows suit to maintain space for a bottle inside the triangle? I certainly appreciate being able to fit a bottle cage and one of those tool/tube things.

    mashr
    Full Member

    A reasonable question… but they don’t seem to have gained much over the gen1 which was already good for bottle space. Yes it looks like everyone now has room for a wee enduro bag though.
    The bendy tubes would probably have gotten an easier ride if they hadn’t also increased the weight, price and progression curve so much

    As a reminder:

    chakaping
    Full Member

    I listened to the Blister podcast with the designer and the bike sounded awesome, he was really across all the detail.

    Didn’t expect it to get such a hostile reception, and I don’t think the pinkbike review with the XL frame looking so awkward has helped. The medium ones look much more acceptable IMO.

    Still too heavy for my requirements though.

    Rubber_Buccaneer
    Full Member

    Perhaps I’m looking at them more favourably because I have an E161 and think it is very well designed if a little rough and ready in some areas. Mind you, I got the E161 on that double discount deal which made it a similar price to the new 161

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    sv
    Free Member

    I think they look great, purposeful and great stance. Would happily buy one!

    chiefgrooveguru
    Full Member

    It seems that they’ve designed something that can be the ultimate privateer enduro race bike and also a bike park / uplift machine. So much geometry adjustment, a frame built to last rather than built down to a weight, progression to suit really gnarly riders on coils or big volume air shocks. Strong enough to take 200mm dual crown forks. Top tube bent to fit a bigger bottle.

    Frame weight is a weird thing because once you’re on a bike it’s very hard to detect. If anything, heavier frames (assuming all else is equal) feel better on rougher trails, which is part of the reason for enduro racers strapping all their tools/water to the frames nowadays. Heavy wheels and tyres do feel different (most prefer lighter) and draggy tyres feel bad when pedalling to everyone (but we accept a certain compromise for grip/damping downhill).

    I’m not fast enough or have gnarly enough local trails for the 161 but I hope those who suit it buy it because I bet it’s great, despite the looks!

    dc1988
    Full Member

    It might not be the prettiest bike but I don’t think it’s the ugliest either. I’d happily prioritise function over looks. It looks like you could fit a big bottle, small frame bag and strap a tube in the front triangle which I doubt would be the case without the kinks in the top and down tubes.

    cheers_drive
    Full Member

    I listened to the Blister podcast with the designer and the bike sounded awesome, he was really across all the detail.

    Haven’t listened to the podcast but the original wasn’t designed in house – Redburn Design did it. Sounds like they did it in house this time hence the different design direction.
    I’m normally on the side of function over form but the aesthetics are a step backwards.

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    poah
    Free Member

    That is one ugly fat ****

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    Aidy
    Free Member

    I occasionally cynically wonder if bikes are being made more and more unpedal-able to push people onto e-bikes. This feels a little too blatant.

    zerocool
    Full Member

    I loved the Gen 1 161, it looked good, rode well and was easy to service. It also wasn’t 40lb! The new one is ugly, hopefully rides well and weighs the same as a mid weight ebike.

    40lb, and then you need to add the weight of water bottle, tools, tubes and other random stuff.

    bitmuddytoday
    Free Member

    Anyone seen a frame weight? Be interested to know as I’ve had XL bikes with very similar travel, geo and parts…but 7-8lbs lighter. Maybe there’s a lb difference in tyres and shock. 40lbs is crackers. Can see why riders are choosing e-bikes if this is the way things are going.

    Interesting Privateer is getting so much negativity for the top tube. I agree, but don’t remember seeing others like Canyon or Niner taking such a beating in comments.

    weeksy
    Full Member

    4.6kg

    chakaping
    Full Member

    If it’s 4.6kg without the shock, that would explain the bike being over 40lbs.

    Got to begrudgingly admire them for going all in on the “weight doesn’t matter” thing.

    Is it basically a modern freeride bike, in terms of it’s ideal use case?

    Rubber_Buccaneer
    Full Member

    The 161 is sure built sturdy, if I were looking it would definitely be at the 141 but I’ve no idea how much different that is. I’ve always thought Privateer come up with some very solid build kits too, with my only reservation being the wheels.

    wheelsonfire1
    Full Member

    What the dickens is “forward thinking geometry” ?

    Pauly
    Full Member

    Something Mondraker came up with several years ago…

    RustyNissanPrairie
    Full Member

    Friend has a Mk1 161 in raw, bit weighty but rides well. This MK2 misses the mark completely.

    mashr
    Full Member

    One manipulation of the top tube later: https://www.pinkbike.com/photo/26239039

    Sadly doesn’t help the other issues

    nickc
    Full Member

    I looked at this press release on my mobile and wondered why they’d shot dark coloured bikes against a dark background with low lighting. Now I’ve had a chance to look at them on the desktop, I can see why.

     

    DaveyBoyWonder
    Free Member

    As someone has posted above, even if it was heavy, the mk1s were great looking bikes – like longer, slacker Turner Burners which is a good thing!

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    chakaping
    Full Member

    I’m kind of repeating myself, but I can’t get my head around them presumably being aware of the previous bike’s reputation for being really good but a bit chonky – and then having a meeting and agreeing “let’s make the next one even heavier but not so good looking”.

    rootes1
    Full Member

    Think we’d all appreciate a higher stack height but there’s got to be a better way than bending the top and down tube to achieve it.


    @markspark

    RAAW manage it with straight tubes and achieving higher stacks heights.

     

     

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    privateerbikes
    Free Member

    @andybrad Hi sorry for the late reply on this. Our single-sided hardware uses just a single bolt head to tighten or remove each pivot bolt. So, rather than needing a second tool to hold a bolt still and prevent it from spinning, you can access and maintain bolts from just one side with a single tool. Hope that clears this up.

    privateerbikes
    Free Member

    @sv It’s Great to hear your thoughts on Gen 2; we’re stoked about it, too!

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