Lance, latest have we done it yet.

No!

cynic-al – Member

Ooh what did Doyle say?

Massive LA sympathiser. Churning out all the ‘he’s then most tested athlete ever’ etc etc . Quite embarrassing as he seemed to be caught out a few times when asked questions.

also ..Kimmage on R5

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01m1kqx

20 mins in , not great but interviewer clearly has no idea what he is on about and Kimmage gets the hump with him.

cynic-al – Member

Does anyone think Indurain was clean?

Interesting. Does anyone think Indurain did EPO given Riis’s destruction of him on hautacam.

clean …No, did he do EPO ??

LOL @ that R5 Kimmage interview…

Does anyone think Indurain was clean?

No although the only thing he ever tested positive for was salbutamol and even that wasn’t strictly illegal back then.

Interetsingly, Indurain has also come out very much in the defence of Armstrong saying that until there is one body recognised by all as the overseer with the power to do this, then he should keep his titles.

He’s got a point. LA’s guilt or innocence is very much a sideshow to the whole “bring him down at all costs” attitude shown by USADA and that’s what I find the most troubling of all this. Clemency shown to others if they’ll testify. No power (or willingness) to do the same to all the hundreds of other dopers. If you do this to LA, then everyone else should be treated the same. You may as well just rip up the results sheets of pretty much every Pro Tour race ever.

piemonster where are you getting these links from

the UCI has had a bit of a spat re jurisdiction but the position is clear both from WADA and the US judge
Under the code they USADA issue a report – he is guilty as charged and should be stripped. they say this to UCI who then implement it. the press release fomr them seems clear what the report will say.

UCI’s only options are
1. Ignore it and have cycling kicked out of WADA and therefore lot of sporting events like the olympics. This would seem unlikely as i suspect a new organisation would be recognised for cycling and people move to that. I just cannot see this happening
2. UCI to take a case to the sport arbitration court but the grounds of their appeal would be interesting not least because they do have authority and the charged person did not contest so I am not sure what grounds they would use tbh.

I doubt, given the vrijman report the UCI really want a war with WADA tbh but i dont expect them to move quickly either but they will say they object strongly, disagree etc but say they have no choice – bit like LA did.

Talksport interview is great…listen again on T’sport website when its done. Interviewers are on the ball.

LOL @ that R5 Kimmage interview…

Kimmage doesn’t suffer fools does he 😀

Does anyone think Indurain was clean?

Get ye behind me!

Kimmage doesn’t suffer fools does he

I wonder what he would make of Hora? 🙄

Sadly I put money in his pocket buying his drivel.

He needs to get out more. Abit like you.

@Junkyard – Just go to the clinic forum at cycling news

Paul Kimmage REALLY doesn’t like Lance

I’m going to walk away from this thread now and finally (but without surprise) accept those geezers I cheered climbing Ardiden where whacked up on scooby snacks, sad and a shame.

Frustrated minor result Tour Jocks take drugs just to stay in a professional cycling job. Get caught or worry about it coming out one day so decide to secretly repent and blacken someones name who they envy for his success.
Meanwhile a once slighted minor cycling journalist decides to ride on his back with attacks to make a living out of it.

Folks remember this Arbitration if Lance went ahead with this he could have been stripped without a failed test just testimonies of liers, fraudsters and cheats. The USADA claims jurisdiction to ban/strip Lance when his last Tour title was in 2005.

Im out.

I’ve stayed away from this thread, but I have to say, hora, you really, really have not got the slightest clue what you are talking about. It’s sad tbh

Get over yourself

Can someone please supply a link so I can listen to that talksport discussion. Can’t find it. Thanks

I’m starting to despise Mr Armstrong, shame as its his stance (not the drug taking) that has caused this reaction

You are quite close to out of your mind with that assessment Hora

Get over yourself

Seems he speaks for the forum and all rational thinkers
your “defence” is as straw man wrapped in some ad hominems with a liberal dose of inaccuracies

For example it is know that his masseuse would testify and also that a Dr was going to say that he tested positive in the tour de Swiss. i am not sure how they fit your view of envious liars and cheats tbh

Its like you think everyone had a reason to lie except LA – like he would have no reason to deny he cheated eh
It is well know than many cheats have passed all the tests and it is hardly a precedent to convict without a failed drug test [ he has failed them though]- would you like names just from cycling or other sports as well?

liers, fraudsters and cheats

You are talking about Lance right?

Keep digging hora, you might strike gold.

hora: What do you take away from LA’s decision not to go to arbitration? Do you take this at “face value”, ie fed up with the sniping and hassle / witch hunt?

Bear in mind that this decision would have been poured over from every angle by a very senior legal team… Each option would have been examined minutely for the various legal and reputational / PR ramifications.

He needs to get out more. Abit like you.

Well i went to watch Keirin racing yesterday and then to the pub, am about to head out on the bike for a few miles now so no need for me to get out more.
While we are on the subject of giving advice how about ‘be informed and learn something’ or perhaps ‘ think before opening ones mouth on a subject you know nothing about’
HTH.

Bear in mind that this decision would have been poured over from every angle by a very senior legal team… Each option would have been examined minutely for the various legal and reputational / PR ramifications.

Yes a perfectly managed admission without actually admitting anything and removing an obligation to saying anything under oath, they probably had a high five after working that one out.

Evidently dopestrong donations have soared this last week despite the infidels, I guess thats the patriot home crowd WASP majority coming out in favour of their all American boy.

Anyone know if Johann Bruyneel has decided to fight decision – net strangely quiet on this one.

Link to R5: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01m1kqx

Keep listening to the R5 radio interview past Kimmage – the pro Lance woman speaking afterwards is nauseating in her saccharin sweet hero worship of Lance. She subverts the discussion to focus on his foundation and all his positive impact against cancer and the accusation of doping is treated as just an aside.

I never really followed road cycling as a sport but I have read and listened to everything I could find in the past few months. There was always an air of a drug supported sport and this does its credibility no good at all, the USADA should go public with all their evidence.

What I find most duplicitous is the consistent claim of “never failed a test” rather that “I rode clean and have never doped” (if anyone knows of an occasion when Lance has said this please send me a link, would love to read it).

Bruyneel is fighting it and going to the arbitration panel hence why all the details [against LA] cannot be released as yet

Interestingly his [LA statement] defence mentioned

The only physical evidence here is the hundreds of controls I have passed with flying colors. I made myself available around the clock and around the world. In-competition. Out of competition. Blood. Urine. Whatever they asked for I provided. What is the point of all this testing if, in the end, USADA will not stand by it?

The bottom line is I played by the rules that were put in place by the UCI, WADA and USADA when I raced.

I know who won those seven Tours, my teammates know who won those seven Tours, and everyone I competed against knows who won those seven Tours. We all raced together. For three weeks over the same roads, the same mountains, and against all the weather and elements that we had to confront. There were no shortcuts, there was no special treatment. The same courses, the same rules. The toughest event in the world where the strongest man wins. Nobody can ever change that. Especially not Travis Tygart.

he does not actually say he never took performance enhancing drugs in his statement if you read it just that he was never caught [ which is debatable as one of the charges was that he was caught and it was covered up]
I suspect a lawyer advises so it sounds like a denial but it it is not actually a lie
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lance-armstrongs-full-statement-on-usada

Evidently dopestrong donations have soared this last week despite the infidels, I guess thats the patriot home crowd WASP majority coming out in favour of their all American boy.

It will be interesting to see the impact on his public speaking engagements. We had him at our user group meeting in Las Vegas and probably paid between $100-200K for a 45 minute speech. I can’t see the big corporate boys booking him in the future, even the patriots.

And with that kind of revenue stream at risk you can see why he tried every legal move he could to get the USADA case dropped. In fact, with that much to lose you wonder why he didn’t have his day in court?

Read the tread links, there are reasons it will not go to a federal court.

He knew he’d lose…this way the believers can keep believing.

Aye he did it so he can still claim he never failed a test and it was all just a witch hunt and the gullible and the believers will suck it up.

Like al says he knew he could not win and this was the best position to spin.

Whatever anyone thinks of LA he is not a quitter so why, given his legacy will be tarnished, would he quit now? seriously Hora why would LA quit if he was right, can you name any other situation where he has quit? And to quit to these people when he was right. NO WAY WOULD HE DO THIS
Would anyone let liars, fraudsters and the envious win like this?

Why cant people accept that others have a different opinion to yourself?

Why attempt to browbeat then insult?

The world is full of interesting people who have different beliefs, politics and viewpoints.

& some of them still believe in a Flat Earth.

Why cant people accept that others have a different opinion to yourself?

Because its blind ignorance that Armstrong needs to keep the cash rolling in and the luvies to continue slapping his hiney in joyful success

Why cant people accept that others have a different opinion to yourself?

theres having a different opinion and theres having a different opinion based on information that’s available and how reliable you feel that information is and how you interpret it. not forgetting quoting your sources.

then theres wishful thinking and the idle fancies of the gullible and ill-informed .

Why cant people accept that others have a different opinion to yourself?

I accept you have a different view from me ..one that is wrong whilst i have one that is right , happy now 😉

Why attempt to browbeat then insult?

liers, fraudsters and cheats

Not sure why did you do it?
Personally I think it is the inability to face the reality of facts and the uncomfortable truth that a hero was in fact just another cheat rather than awesome and superhuman.

The world is full of interesting people who have different beliefs, politics and viewpoints.

True but many of them are wrong and irrational ones deserve to be challenged.
You have given up with even the façade of an argument and are just making emotional appeals now.

I made myself available around the clock and around the world. In-competition. Out of competition.

no he didn’t. he was supposed to remain in view of doping control when they arrived to take an out of competition test but wandered off to take a shower for 25min when he was fully aware of the protocol.

wonder if LA will take this option? i can’t see it myself•

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12738/Tygart-says-USADA-could-reduce-Armstrongs-lifetime-ban-if-he-cooperates.

•pure idle speculation with no sound reasoning.

I am sure I remember reading somewhere that sales of Festina watches rose sharply after the cycling team scandal. “Bad Boy Chic” or something.

Talksport interview

http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/press-pass/120826/press-pass-sunday-august-26-179542

40 mins in.

v good

Its the same stw characters. Do you shout at the sky sometimes? 😆

Lance, latest have we done it to death yet.

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