Jeremy Corbyn

I think the point is that Labour are not campaigning for No Brexit.

Their manifesto says this quite clearly.

I have a grudging respect for Corbyn on this.

My point was that Brexit and it’s mess is of more importance than who is in power. Taking 5 weeks out of the time remaining to muck around with the seating plan at Westminster is of lesser importance than ensuring business can still operate after March 29. Let the Tories take the fall for their internecine feuding and ensure that anyone who supported the unfolding drama is held responsible for it (JRM, Brexit Bulldog and Bojo I’m looking at you).
Those in Solihull & West Mids who voted out are just starting to get an idea of how ‘project fear’ wasn’t anything but a warning of the fallout to come.

It is and an election is a waste of time as it will solve nothing as there is no parliamentary majority for brexit. An election and some key anti brexit independents with the right political alignment would make that a certainty,

So it’s a bluff at most.

The real options unfold after the vote on the deal, people need to just try and keep some calm until then, try reciting your local teams first XI, you don’t want you Archie Gemmill scoring against Holland in 1978 moment coming too soon.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/jan/11/uk-thousands-antisemitic-google-searches-per-year-research

Gosh – Jezza HAS been busy !!!

Don’t be ridiculous, Corbyn wouldn’t use Google to search for antisemitic materials.

He’d get them direct from the source – his old paymasters at Press TV. https://www.theredroar.com/2018/06/iranian-press-tv-pushing-labour-antisemitism-conspiracy-theories/
https://www.adl.org/blog/irans-press-tv-continues-to-broadcast-anti-semitism-as-news
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-press-tv-2012-11927924.amp
https://order-order.com/2018/09/26/proof-corbyn-lied-press-tv-appearances/amp/

Aah yes – reliable sources.

It is hard to believe that anybody could be so ridiculously stupid as to still believe and even push the idiotic lie that Corbyn is an antisemite, but here we are again.

Why not, the IRA one is old hat and the political stuff doesn’t seem to be working well enough.

The next line of attack is criticising what vegetables he grows on his allotment and what they must symbolise.

I’d expect him to be planting artichokes, but maybe in his neighbours allotment.

If you look at those with most to loose from him getting into power it should provide a nice short list of where the next attack comes from.

“Aah yes – reliable sources.”

What bit in the cited sources is untrue? The bit that Corbyn was in the pay of Press TV or the bit that Press TV is anti-semitic?

The bit that Corbyn was in the pay of Press TV or the bit that Press TV is anti-semitic?

The bit where at least Order Order is one of the most right wing rags going, has a complete hatred of anything more left than thatcher. You take 2 things and make a really big assumption in the middle, remember JHJ and pictures of famous people standing next to each other being evidence?

We get that you disagree with the source’s viewpoint, but what bit in the cited sources is untrue? The bit that Corbyn was in the pay of Press TV or the bit that Press TV is anti-semitic?

The bit where that makes him anti Semitic.

None of the sources said he was anti-Semitic.

You realise that when I suggested he’d be getting anti-semitic materials from Press TV, that was irony, right? Maybe you don’t understand English irony…

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-zionists-have-no-sense-of-english-irony-1.468795

Maybe you don’t understand English irony…

rolls around laughing, might have missed your subtly there, try a smiley next time 🥓

in the pay of Press TV

You mean he received payment for a contribution to Press TV? That’s pretty normal, no? Would you prefer he worked for free?

I would have preferred that he didn’t work for the propaganda channel of an oppressive, fascist regime at all.

“rolls around laughing, might have missed your subtly there, try a smiley next time 🥓”

Is…is that an emoji of bacon there?

Anyway, shall we get back to Policy?

Given 72pc of his members don’t want Brexit, how can Labour Leadership justify a pro brexit stance?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-news-latest-72-per-cent-of-labour-members-want-jeremy-corbyn-to-back-peoples-vote-poll-a4028096.html

Trump and Corbyn are wrong, stimulus at this point in the cycle is not a good idea:
https://www.ft.com/content/c059d13b-e3d4-4fe2-85c9-d55bd6494fec

Yep the failure to represent the party view despite riding into power on the claim of democratising the party is an abject failure on his part at its first important test, and IMO is the main reason he should go.

But again trying to tie Corbym’s policy’s to Trumps is just pathetic mudslinging, and any one making that clam just embarrasses themselves.

Yep the failure to represent the party view

The last time the party expressed a view in a structured way was at the conference last summer. Or should policy be changed on, say, a weekly basis in accord with the latest polls.

I would have preferred that he didn’t work for the propaganda channel of an oppressive, fascist regime at all.

You must be mixing it up with Fox

Trump and Corbyn are wrong, stimulus at this point in the cycle is not a good idea:

Is this the same post you put up last week? Trump’s stimulus is like a drunk with a shotgun trying to juggle chainsaws.

The last time the party expressed a view in a structured way was at the conference last summer. Or should policy be changed on, say, a weekly basis in accord with the latest polls.

The party wanted support for a second referendum, the leadership sidestepped them by not ruling it out, while clearly never supporting the idea, and still not doing so even at the 11th hour.

Trump’s stimulus is like a drunk with a shotgun trying to juggle chainsaws.

That may be true, I don’t know enough about it. But as you can hear from the FT podcast, the people who know are saying the problem is not with the targeting but with doing it at this point in the cycle.

But again trying to tie Corbym’s policy’s to Trumps is just pathetic mudslinging, and any one making that clam just embarrasses themselves.

Which isn’t that same as saying it’s incorrect. 😀 Trump’s economic policy and Corbynomics are exactly the same core idea: “Spend loads of cash, but don’t worry because that will boost the economy and GDP will pick up.” If that’s wrong I’d love to hear how.

Given 72pc of his members don’t want Brexit, how can Labour Leadership justify a pro brexit stance?

“Party members” is not the same as “Labour voters”, HTH

I would have preferred that he didn’t work for the propaganda channel of an oppressive, fascist regime at all.

You must be mixing it up with Fox

Which harks back to a point that was made earlier in the thread. Corbyn refuses to share a podium with people who he thinks are a tiny bit fascist if you squint and misquote them a bit, but willingly offers a platform to people who are actual literal fascists.

“You must be mixing it up with Fox”

When Corbyn’s conduct is indefensible and the truth is awkward, you simply try sixth form whataboutery.

Corbyn’s work for the Iranian government and Press TV are totally incompatible with the Labour Party’s principles. Had Corbyn worked for Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (which has a significant degree of editorial independence, and which Trump reportedly despises for that reason), he would never have become leader of the Labour Party. But here we are…

“Party members” is not the same as “Labour voters”, HTH

So he’s been wrong when he cites party democracy as a reason to do something? Voters are the body who count?

(I’d agree with you, if that’s what you’re saying.)

I don’t know why the present contradiction between Corbyn and his follower comes as any great surprise to anyone. He’s always been totally disinterested in representing anyones views but his own. And he believes he’s right about everything and hasn’t changed his opinion on anythign in decades, particularly the EU. He’s inherently hostile to it as an institution

He’s been happy to pay lip service to democracy while people broadly agree with him. Now that they don’t, he gives them the same ‘I know best’ attitude that saw him rebel against the leadership over the last decades

He’s no more interested in the opinions of his fabled ‘membership’ than he was in the opinions of Blair or Peter Mandleson. He’s no intention of changing his position simply because everyone else disagrees with him.

He’s always been a fraud. Its just that until know a lot of the naive and gullible have been wanting to believe otherwise. I just hope that the scales have now fallen from peoples eyes and they can see him for what he is… a self-serving charlatan who has no interest in representing anyone elses opinion other than his own

And as for his Brexit stance? Nicely summed up by the Mash yesterday…

Everyone dying to ask left-wing Brexiter what f**king planet he’s on

Given 72pc of his members don’t want Brexit, how can Labour Leadership justify a pro brexit stance?

The only thing you need to know about labour’s positions is that the party put forward a policy at the last conference, and this was voted on and approved by the membership. So far the leadership has followed that policy to the letter. If they depart from it, I’m sure the membership will be given an opportunity to hold them to account. For reference, the policy is below:

That’s all very well but surely they should change their policy every week based on a survey of a few Labour party members.

He’s always been a fraud. Its just that until know a lot of the naive and gullible have been wanting to believe otherwise. I just hope that the scales have now fallen from peoples eyes and they can see him for what he is

Don’t assume that your own obsessive and bitter view is the correct one. Remember, it is just your opinion, it is not actually true.

When Corbyn’s conduct is indefensible and the truth is awkward, you simply try sixth form whataboutery.

Maybe but I find it hard to summom the will to respond constructively to someone who describes writing an article or two as being “in the pay of Iran”.

And he believes he’s right about everything and hasn’t changed his opinion on anythign in decades

You owe me a new irony meter!

“describes writing an article or two as being “in the pay of Iran”.”

Corbyn didn’t write articles for Press TV and I didn’t say he was “in the pay of Iran”. From your response, we can tell that you’re neither familiar with the facts nor bothering to read what’s written.

So far, of the Big Hitter Corbynistas on here denying Corbyn’s anti-semitism, we have:

– one who takes the “la la la not listening it’s all fake” approach (you)

– one who posts pictures of bacon, which seems like rather a BNP way to discuss anti-semitism https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/jeremy-corbyn/page/453/#post-10432772

– one who thinks that there’s a Jewish conspiracy to spread lies about Corbyn https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/jeremy-corbyn/page/452/#post-10430977

🤔

Don’t forget the others who have simply seen no evidence of it. I don’t need to deny it, you need to prove it as it is a point you are making/believe in.

He’s always been totally disinterested in representing anyones views but his own.

Not seen his latest vid then?

Doesn’t look the views of a person who is motivated by self-interest. He’s bothered about both the screwed remainers and the screwed brexiteers. That puts him in the sensible camp to me.

And that’s the way forward.

Any detail on how he does that once the tax take goes through the floor as the economy contracts/crashes in the wake of the Brexit he’s facilitating?

I only came back onto this thread to see if TJ had answered my 3-line-whip question yet.