Ah, fair play, that is pretty much the exact situation we find ourselves in now, so I’m happy to dismiss the Forde report and the evidence showing Joan Ryan’s collaboration with a foreign power.

This was of course in response to your original post, prior to the edit…

I was hearing last night, no paper evidence or names, that there’s a possibility that Jeremy Corbyn might run for Islington North or for Mayor of London. That could be fun and give people a bit (!) more of a real choice.  The mayor role would allow for a more widespread team of door-knockers and canvassers. Will they drag up all that AS nonsense again or will it be down to the price of his raincoat or ULEZ?

He would have a reasonable chance of getting re-elected as MP. He seens to be well-regarded locally as a working constituency MP. It depends on how much the electorate like him and remember his name compared to the Labour brand. He would get demolished in mayoral elections.

As to whether anti-semitism becomes a major issue again, I suppose it depends what his attitude to anti-semitism is going to be. Will he write any more forewords to books without mentioning the anti-semitism within? Is he gonna present any more TV shows for Iranian state media? Is he gonna call for anti-Semitic graffiti to be preserved? Will he call Hamas friends again and tell Zionists they haven’t lived in the UK long enough to understand irony? It really is up to him.

Blimey, that was all well rehearsed. I think he’d stand a good chance on a mayoral election. The LP’s resonse I imagine would be ferocious.

Blimey, that was all well rehearsed

Yup, Corbyn still poses a threat to “centrist” hegemony. They will never take a threat from him lightly.

Unfortunately if he did become mayor, I could foresee the PLP working against him with such ferocity that the people of London would be collateral damage in their efforts to undermine him.

So as much as I would like that message to be sent with him becoming mayor, it might be better if he just won Islington.

He’s 74 years old now, think it’s time to retire and just work on what he wants too, he’d be 80 years old by the end of either term going by the election timelines.

Blimey, that was all well rehearsed. 

Maybe because it’s all been discussed a million times.

Any one of those things would be enough to exclude the man from any sensible discussion in normal times. Jacob Rees Mogg gets (rightly) slated for presenting a show on GB News. Corbyn presents a phone in for a theocratic regime’s TV channel and self-professed lefties don’t see the problem!

Corbyn’s an independent now, so whatever his views that he shows on TV or whatever aren’t really much of a concern.

The concern is that he’s getting on a bit now and does he have another 5-6 years in him, the Mayor of London is a big job, MP, not so much i guess as an indy, but either way, the biggest risk is he splits the votes and lets the tories in, especially for the Mayor role.

Excluding people from discussions? Not exactly socratic is it?

Unfortunately if he did become mayor, I could foresee the PLP working against him with such ferocity that the people of London would be collateral damage in their efforts to undermine him.

Therefore the need to placate them and stop them from throwing their toys from their prams?

Being held to political ransom by right-wingers who otherwise promise mayhem might be an effective strategy for them but I am not convinced that it should be encouraged.

Therefore the need to placate them and stop them from throwing their toys from their prams?

I guess it worked for the tories against Khan with all the requirements they placed on TFL.
So new new labour might as well continue it.

Corbyn presents a phone in for a theocratic regime’s TV channel and self-professed lefties don’t see the problem!

‘cos having alternative viewpoints on different platforms is such a bad thing.

Whereas I have a right-winger running our democratic socialist party. Nothing to see here.

Starmer also seems to enjoy the Murdoch factor – but he’s got to get those Tory votes you know. That’s because he hasn’t got any other argument.

Being held to political ransom by right-wingers who otherwise promise mayhem might be an effective strategy for them but I am not convinced that it should be encouraged.

As the labour right successfully did in previous elections when Corbyn was leder.  they would rather be in opposition than to accept anyone slightly left of centre.  this is the really weird one.  Corbyn proposed nothing outlandish or that would not be normal policies for social democratic parties Europe wide

I reckon it is probably fair to say that Labour’s election manifestos under Corbyn were not that dissimilar to Tory election manifestos pre-Thatcher. Possibly a tad more right-wing.

I think that is pushing it a bit but certainly nothing out of the mainstream

I think that is pushing it a bit

Not really, off the top of my head pre-Thatcher Tory governments supported nationalisation of gas, electricity, water, telecommunications, transport, governments bailouts of the car industry, steel, and various others. Very low VAT and basic tax rate. Very high income tax on high earners, luxury tax on some nonessentials.

Corbyn fell well short of promising all those things in his election manifestos so imo that put him to the right of pre-Thatcher Tory governments.