Lance, latest have we done it yet.

Lance isn’t doing Ironman, he’s banned.

I can’t believe that you’ve still got the nerve to post on this forum, but there we go.

same goes for Contador’s ban really

They got a trace.

No matter how careful you are- competing for years you’ll one day show a trace. Its a matter of timing/luck.

Lets just see how this pans out hey? If hes caught bang on, well his books are all going in the bin. Along with the photobook bought as a birthday present for me.

If hes found not guilty I’ll just have to put up with topics appearing on STW for eternity calling him a cheat.

The link Hora demanded with a positive test for Lance.

Plus facheux encore, il est contrôlé positif aux corticoïdes lors du Tour de France. Il aura probablement été surpris par la mise en place de la détection des corticoïdes, annoncée seulement quelques jours plus tôt. Présenté, a posteriori, un certificat médical établi par Luis Del Moral, le médecin de l’US Postal, lui permet d’échapper aux sanctions (en contradiction avec l’article 43 du règlement de l’UCI qui précise que le certificat médical doit être présenté au moment du contrôle). L’incident est facheux pour un coureur qui, interrogé sur le sujet quelques jours avant la révélation, soutenait mordicus ne bénéficier d’aucune prescription médicale particulière, ce qu’on n’appelait pas encore les AUT.

Alex – obvious troll is obvious

I genuinely think that if he hasn’t been caught they should drop it. Its embarrassing. I also think the same with Contador caught red handed fair enough, caught retrospectively who gives a proverbial.

Edukator – Member
The link Hora demanded with a positive test for Lance.

That’s the link that proves he’s a doper? 🙄

I skim read that and lol’ed

IronMan – Member
I can’t believe Lance is doing Realman.

Hora:

I think they had to cheat just to suck on his wheell …that is it innit Hora?
Which comes back to that old argument….if they were ALL cheating – he was either on double-smack or **** better than everyone in those tours.

I’m not saying that he wasn’t better. The pseudo-level playing field that widespread doping left us with suggests he was very good.

What I’d like to see is that if he was cheating too then he should pay the price.

The whole legend built on the reputation as a clean rider, the disproportionate attacks on his accusers (many of whom appear to have had at least some merit), the endless legal processes, all seem to make people u happy to let the matter lie. Me included.

I’d like to see all cheats face the repercussions of their acts, and see clean racing.

Edukator – Member
The link Hora demanded with a positive test for Lance.

Is that an official body/agency/news of fact or someones homebrewed website then.

I’ll say it again. Lets see if hes guilty or not.

and see clean boring racing.

I can’t believe Lance is doing Ironman

My brother’s done an ironman, he even did it clean (apart from a nasty shit in the woods 10m into the run)

Is that an official body/agency/news of fact or someones homebrewed website then.

That’s the problem with all of this. There’s half the internet filled with Armstrong chat – facts and reports mixed in with interpretations, rumours, heresay, opinions and PR. No-one knows what’s fact and what’s fiction anymore, the whole thing has become laughable.

Armstrong allegedly tested positive for minute traces of corticosteroids in 1999 (it’s actually in his book) and produced a backdated TUE (Therapeutic Use Exemption) certificate which allowed that substance. Of course, that’s all mixed up in reports that he paid off the UCI, it’s all a con, blah blah…

@ Hora

here is a link but it has over 9000 post on it but ive followed it from the start ,every thing is in there from Lance fanboys to haters and ex usa racers who rode against Lance , his cover up test’s and how he got advance warning of test so he could shower frist and the reason for doing that and lots more.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17452

If you don’t like that link then Google it, Hora. The cortisone positive has been reported widely including the New York Times.

As an athlete I know the rules, you produce a medical certifate when they test you and Lance didn’t. He produced a medical certificate from his team doctor after events and spouted some nonsense about bum cream. He tested positive and broke the rules, the UCI didn’t apply their own rules and let him off.

I genuinely think that if he hasn’t been caught they should drop it. Its embarrassing. I also think the same with Contador caught red handed fair enough, caught retrospectively who gives a proverbial.

Surley the issue is whether they have cheated not whether they avoided tests. there is a long list of drug cheats who never failed a test- it seems like you are saying its ok to cheat if you dont get caught as we will just ignore it.

Is that an official body/agency/news of fact or someones homebrewed website then.

well your french is better than mine but you are the master of the language of love, non 😉

The moment I stopped believing all the hype about lance was the incident when he chased down Simeoni. That bothered me more than all the doping rumours. A nasty, pointless act which portrayed him in his true light.

Aye good point Mitch

http://www.bicycling.com/news/pro-cycling/armstrong-hunts-down-rider

For what is worth I think they should drop it the whole thing. Even if he did they never caught him at it so they were too slow; same goes for Contador’s ban really.

I genuinely think that if he hasn’t been caught they should drop it. Its embarrassing. I also think the same with Contador caught red handed fair enough, caught retrospectively who gives a proverbial.

No, because…

Surley the issue is whether they have cheated not whether they avoided tests.

No, this is not the (only) issue here.

If LA has cheated / failed tests, then there is a whole other, non-sporting world of criminal investigation that should be opened up to scrutiny.

This extends to a whole bigger arena than competition and sporting excellence…

… funding, sponsorship, reputation, charitable foundation, paying off officials – if such a thing happened

So this bloke Lance is a well known doper (according known druggies), does a bit for charity, is a serial litigant who was once rumoured to have ridden a bicycle in France.

No matter how careful you are- competing doping for years you’ll one day show a trace. Its a matter of timing/luck.

FTFY

and see clean boring racing.

Well some have laid that accusation against this year’s TdF. I could go on, but you must be trolling…

IronMan – Member
I can’t believe Lance is doing Realman.

😆

So if they could somehow break out all the old samples and test them, would they then have to do the same for the ‘promoted’ to 1st place riders?

same for the ‘promoted’ to 1st place riders

That would be very depressing wouldn’t it. Credibility of the whole sport 🙁

How is the credibility if the sport actually harmed by catching cheats

Only those who dont really follow it dont realise that period was nothing more than sustained drug cheating by a large proportion of those competing

You can make a credible case for arguing there has always been drug cheats from gin shots to amphetamines to catching buses since the start

See it’s at this point Hora that you start contradicting yourself-why would it be depressing? You claim to want to wait and see over LA yet you seem to have made your mind up about the rest of the peloton.

Anyone got a timescale for this to play out over?

LA has to decide whether or not to contest USADA by tomorrow…

You can make a credible case for arguing there has always been drug cheats from gin shots to amphetamines to catching buses since the start….

Interviewer: ‘When do you take drugs?’
Fausto Coppi: ‘Whenever it is necessary.’
Interviewer: ‘And when is it necessary?’
Fausto Coppi: ‘Almost always.’

There are obviously loads of soping stories/quotes from history but I like the refreshing honesty of that one from Coppi, one of the true greats.

I believe Coppi raced in an era when taking drugs, ” La bomba ” didn’t contravene the rules. I may be wrong.

Is this STILL running?

I’m not reading all that – did he or didn’t he?

See it’s at this point Hora that you start contradicting yourself-why would it be depressing? You claim to want to wait and see over LA yet you seem to have made your mind up about the rest of the peloton.

Well it’d just be what most of public/riders are starting to think. FFS- for all these accusers etc to come out and be caught/tainted is ridiculous.

on the failing drug tests story this is very interesting, long but worth reading:

Michael Ashenden

I believe Coppi raced in an era when taking drugs, ” La bomba ” didn’t contravene the rules. I may be wrong.

I believe they contravened the rules but weren’t tested for.

Either way, they were certainly different times.

I’m not reading all that – did he or didn’t he?

Well, apologies for the late thread resurrection, it has taken a few sittings to thoroughly read through the Ashenden interview linked above ^^^

I must say that is probably the best piece I have read about doping / anti doping in sport. Totally measured, very balanced and based on the man’s considered interpretation of the available facts.

I started out as someone who admired Lance Armstrong’s achievements, but was not a fan (that period of road racing didn’t capture my imagination in the way the early 90s did). However, my opinion now is that the man is not only very likely a cheat, but also a fraud, bully and thoroughly unpleasant example of what is wrong, not only in sport, but in many walks of life where successful “look at me” types squash the ambition of others who also have the ability, dedication and desire to be successful.

The only area I disagree with Ashenden is the one about criminalisation of drug cheats. If there is no money involved, ie just sporting prestige, then I’d be inclined to agree. However, with the multi million sponsorship, media, and reputational industry riding on the back of sporting succes, anyone who gets chemical support to reach the top must surely be regarded as a fraudster and common criminal?

I’m constantly amazed that no one else who read the first LALA book noticed that LALA is a bully. I was a huge fan of LALA from the early 90s until I read that book in the late 90s (notwithstanding the cancer which I would t wish on anyone) but not since then. All the other stuff coming out now just seems to complete the opinion that I formed about the man 12/13 years ago.

Having a good read through this it doesn’t seem biased/etc but it does raise a few questions on the agencies approach and motives

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/22/sport/lance-armstrong-usada-cycling/index.html

hora – have you read the Ashenden interview in it’s entirety?

I’d be interested in your honest opinions – not whether LA doped or not, but of Ashenden’s piece, how it comes across to a fan of LA.

To me it did not come across as vindictive or pursueing any kind of personal vendetta – just came across as an open discussion of the available evidence

I posted up a day or two ago that he has an abrasive character.

His character/ability to make friends and alienate people has nothing to do with ‘has he failed a drugs test in the past decade does it.

I posted up a day or two ago that he has an abrasive character.

His character/ability to make friends and alienate people has nothing to do with ‘has he failed a drugs test in the past decade does it.

Agreed. Very interested in your views on how Ashenden presents his views though? Does Ashenden come across to you as a “stirrer” / trouble maker, or does his article seem thoughtful and considered?