Lance, latest have we done it yet.

Wow, the curtain has not just finally fallen it’s been ripped to shreds!

Do you think he’ll confess? I’d respect him if he’d come clean. It might help limit the damage.

Who knows, his ego is colossal, perhaps it depends on how much risk there is of a Federal case re opening against him.

His facebook page should be amusing

Piemonster’s link (the USADA text) is well worth reading for those who remember all of those races. The backstory to what was going on is incredible.

I’ve absolutely no time for cheats and dopers and in the case of Armstrong, I’ve said all along that until they show some evidence that he’s doped rather than statements and bits of Internet speculation, as its been up until now, I’d stick with the principle of innocent until proven otherwise.
It would be fair to say that with the news coming out today, there’s absolutely no way he can really be found anything but guilty.

After reading the statements released today, it’s fair to say I’m more disappointed in Hincapie as I kind of hoped that he was clean but it seems that it’s a bit much to expect that of any of the top riders of that era.

If I understand Michael Barry’s confession correctly he was doped when he won the 2003 (also 04/05) World TT title when David Millar was banned for the same thing!

Interestingly both Barry & Hincapie claim they have been clean since 2006 which was when LA retired for the first time.

Just realised that I’ve won as many TdF’s as Lance.

He’s got more testicles than TDF victories, I believe…

He will be Unrepentant and say its a witch hunt by losers.
If he keeps repeating that he’s innocent he will start to believe himself despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. That’s Hora, I guess it stands for lance too.

What does this mean for the TDF titles he won?

Are all those years now null and void? Cannot see how they can award elsewhere given the sweeping implications of the report.

Is it Barry Bond asterix time??

Guessing this was covered somehwere in the 1200 posts thus far but not sure I have the will so sift through it all 🙂

What does this mean for the TDF titles he won?

Are all those years now null and void? Cannot see how they can award elsewhere given the sweeping implications of the report.

Depends a bit on what the UCI and ASO (the organsiers of the Tour) say about it. The easiest solution would just be to put an asterisk there and say “subsequently stripped due to doping” or some such. Can’t re-award them – I know that in at least one of the years you need to go down to about 8th place before you come to a rider not tainted by doping scandals!

I can’t see the UCI being happy about the bit that suggests they may have got in the way to delay a blood test to Postal. Still seems to be very heavily witness based though although the complete story is compelling

Nice to see the BBC slandering MTB by showing footage of Lance on a proper bike whilst talking about the charges.

Pages 51 and 52 might get the UCI a bit upset too, as it talks about the EPO test that never was at the Tour de Suisse and the meeting with the UCI that made it go away

What do I think? If true its sullied road cycling forever. If George was never caught what about our Olympic team? The current Tour?

If Lance did he needs to come clean. All of them are cheats and liars in my book.

Nice to see the BBC slandering MTB by showing footage of Lance on a proper bike whilst talking about the charges.

Heh…oh wait. You’re being serious?

What do I think? If true its sullied road cycling forever

Behave y’self, you sound like a kid who found out about Xmas..

Holy cow, that’s some serious meatballs.
“He was not just a part of the doping culture on his team, he enforced and re-enforced it.” and that’s just p6 of 150ish!

@Hora

This is a thread about Lancey, and those involved in his doping cycling career.

I’d suggest starting a relevant thread rather than bringing other doping topics into here

hora – Member
What do I think? If true its sullied road cycling forever. If George was never caught what about our Olympic team? The current Tour?

If Lance did he needs to come clean. All of them are cheats and liars in my book.

Toys/pram.

All of them are cheats and liars in my book.

Is that ‘all’ pro cyclists or just the ones who’ve been caught/admitted doping?

Sounds like a very good opportunity for the UCI to really get things clean – it’s not like they, or pro cycling, have a good reputation to keep up!

Poor old Johan looks like he is a bit screwed too, surely he cannot hope to win his arbitration 😯

So you are saying everyones clean currently? If Lance and George never tested positive but cheated what about the current tour and Olympics or is this fingers in ears and lah lah lah.

Seriously.It makes an utter joke of the whole testing charade. A healthy activity where people use chemicals FFS.

If Lance did he needs to come clean

IF – do you still have doubts?

Lol at Hora….why are you using the word “if”….no ifs, not buts, he is guilty.

99 problems and a Glitch is one

my mistake 99 probles and a glitch is two

So you are saying everyones clean currently? If Lance and George never tested positive but cheated what about the current tour and Olympics or is this fingers in ears and lah lah lah.

Seriously.

Yup, Lance cheated. Seriously.

@Hora

Lance thread innit

So you are saying everyones clean currently? If Lance and George never tested positive but cheated what about the current tour and Olympics or is this fingers in ears and lah lah lah.

Seriously

I assume there are still drugs cheat in all sports but the systematic cheating that characterised pro road cycling at that time and LA and his team in particular are a thing of the past.
I think the biological passport is a more robust test that makes cheating much harder to hide.
Unless of course you have some evidence beyond look they are all passing tests which is not the reason LA is being condemned it is the fact there is actually some evidence.
do you think he is guilty now?

Bloddy hell! If even Hora thinks he is guilty Lance really is up S*** Creek!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oct/10/lance-armstrong-doping-case-live

the guardian covering the report ‘live’ some concise snippets for the Lance Enablers to chew on.

The testimony now available in detail is compelling – and sometimes almost comic. According to two witnesses, the USPS team doctor Pedro Celaya (who is charged by Usada and will face a CAS hearing later this year) was thrown into a panic at the 1998 Tour de France by the Festina scandal, in which the French team was caught red-handed with a vast medicine cabinet of illegal drugs. Celaya flushed tens of thousands of the USPS’s stash of drugs down the toilet – though, this would not have been much help if the French police had raided the team, because the toilet was in a camper van.

Via the above link

That info above is also in Tyler Hamilton’s book – well worth a read.

Twitter has suddenly got very entertaining this evening. Seems pretty much every pro cyclist out there is blogging about their statement to USADA/their past doping…
And this one from Michael Hutchinson:
Well done to Lance fan who just me sent an email saying ‘he’s not as bad as Jimmy Savile’. New high watermark in damning with faint praise.

😉

Watershed moment in the pro peloton??

I’ve smeared clear of this until I got the facts of the report.

I’m shocked, disappointed and saddened.

Some of my fave riders whom I followed for years have been dishonoured.

It’s both a good day and a bad day.

Should be collection Tylers book from the postie tomo

Watershed moment in the pro peloton??

Maybe, depends as much on the continental reaction as it does on the Anglophone section.

Seriously.It makes an utter joke of the whole testing charade. A healthy activity where people use chemicals FFS.

I think the report shows exactly the opposite. Once it was clear that testing had to improve dramatically the teams were constantly having to change their doping tactics to stay ahead, they were catching up fast and it may have taken a bit of intervention from insiders to allow Lance to just stay ahead. The statement from Hincapie and others also seems to imply that in reality they are happier not doping and maybe the era of mass doping is over

at least I hope so. I’m starting to really enjoy the TdF again now

So who has all came out and admitted doping?

GH, CVDV, MB anyone else?