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  • Lance, latest have we done it yet.
  • mrblobby
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    He’s already on his way as he has claimed that his TdF wins are “a miracle”!

    More likely to claim himself the second coming, or setup his own religion. I can’t see him converting to someone else’s religion, one that he can’t control.

    higgo
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    Interesting…..

    The question is whether USADA can make him appear.

    mrblobby
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    The question is whether USADA can make him appear.

    If he’s subpoenaed then I don’t think he’ll have much choice.

    higgo
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    If he’s subpoenaed then I don’t think he’ll have much choice.

    Correct but I don’t know if they have that authority.

    Junkyard
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    Well he did crush the best in the world in the biggest race seven times in a row. Whatever was going on at the time, and whatever means were being used, there’s no doubting he (and his team) was better at it by far than anyone else.

    Yes he was the best cheat and his team the best cheating team. This does not mean he/they would be the best clean.

    thekingisdead
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    Well he did crush the best in the world in the biggest race seven times in a row. Whatever was going on at the time, and whatever means were being used, there’s no doubting he (and his team) was better at it by far than anyone else.

    That’s really why I watch sports…..to find out who the best cheat is…. 😯

    piemonster
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    Well he did crush the best in the world in the biggest race seven times in a row. Whatever was going on at the time, and whatever means were being used, there’s no doubting he (and his team) was better at it by far than anyone else.

    Good grief, hard to believe you typed this. What where you thinking?

    mrblobby
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    Not a fan of Lance, and i hope the truth comes out and he’s put to account for it. Just stating it like it is though.

    rkk01
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    Well he did crush the best in the world in the biggest race seven times in a row. Whatever was going on at the time, and whatever means were being used, there’s no doubting he (and his team) was better at it by far than anyone else.

    Chuffin nonsense. Utter tosh. What it means is…

    “best bankrolled, most determined, cheat”

    ETA – have a read around, plenty in the public domain. Hamilton / Coyle’s book paints a particular picture of Armstrong…..

    mrblobby
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    “best bankrolled, most determined, cheat”

    Yup, that’s exactly what i meant!

    To clarify I mean he had access to more funds, had better connections, was better supported, made sure he had the best doctors, and was determined to do whatever was needed better than his opponents. He (and his team) were undoubtedly the best at this.

    piemonster
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    Hardly the latest, but worth a watch, you’ll need 60 minutes though as it’s err..

    ormondroyd
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    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lance-armstrong-my-conscience-is-clear

    So apparently we should be moving on, despite the sport being stuffed to the gills with cheats, despite convicted and unrepentant dopers winning the Olympics and the Giro, despite all the old faces of doping being in charge of teams, despite the UCI trying to silence Kimmage, despite whistleblowers still being hounded out…

    “Yeah, others won’t move on. It’s sad. I’m aware that it’s out there. It’s like, why are you continuing? You got what you wanted; Lance Armstrong never did anything in his life. Great. For some, it’s like, shouldn’t you be out training and focusing on what you’re doing? F**king move on. So strange.”

    Horrible man.

    crazy-legs
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    He’s got a point though. None of what is happening is “helping to clean up the sport”. It’s looking back, at an era where doping was rife and basically saying “you know what, we failed to catch you there through our own incompetence and the failure of the UCI and WADA and USADA to do their jobs but we’re going to catch you now”.

    None of that affects what happens in next years TdF or the 2016 Olympics, none of it changes the fact that ex dopers still work within cycling as Team Managers etc. Where are the new procedures, the support network for riders/team managers, the extra money for anti-doping?

    What is happening here is already so bogged down in legal wrangles, myth, rumour and allegation that if anything, it’s tied the UCI up in legal cases for the next few years, cost hundred of millions of dollars and all so a few people can go “yes, we got Lance!” while the rest of the cycling world sighs, shrugs it’s shoulders and doesn’t really care.

    MrSmith
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    Was going to cut and paste and go through those points but it’s easier to just say that I disagree with everything you say and I guess that a lot of people in this saga like Millar, Vaughters, Kimmage, Landis etc would also disagree 🙄

    Lance probably wouldn’t though but then he ran the biggest doping operation in cycling for nearly 10 years.

    higgo
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    He’s got a point though. None of what is happening is “helping to clean up the sport”.

    Unless it sends the message that if you dope now and get away with it now, you can still be done for it in the the future.

    None of that affects what happens in next years TdF or the 2016 Olympics, none of it changes the fact that ex dopers still work within cycling as Team Managers etc.

    Except that two doctors are already, through this investigation, banned from any future involvement in the sport and a doctor, ‘coach’ and team director still have to have their cases heard and could well end up being banned for a period of time, through to indefinitely.

    ormondroyd
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    Except that two doctors are already, through this investigation, banned from any future involvement in the sport and a doctor, ‘coach’ and team director still have to have their cases heard and could well end up being banned for a period of time, through to indefinitely.

    Tip of the iceberg. Last time I checked, Bjarne Riis was still running teams. Sky still haven’t announced the outcome of their promised “investgation” into Leinders. Contador remains totally unrepentant.

    And anyway, Ferrari still seems to be up and running: http://www.53×12.com

    higgo
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    Tip of the iceberg.

    Gotta start somewhere.

    aracer
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    His words in that interview say it all. That’s the nearest to an admission of guilt you’re ever likely to get.

    metalheart
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    Yet he stills stands up claiming he has won 7 Tours.

    You know what Lance, that was all in the past and I don’t know why you keep banging on about. Jeez, you need to put all that behind you and move, move on…

    piemonster
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    Here is a photo of Lance recently on a bicycle somewhere, as you can see he has moved on from his ‘7’ TdF’s. The race number is probably a total coincidence.

    Oh no wait, it appears he chose the race number on purpose.
    http://lavamagazine.com/features/armstrong-to-detractors-its-their-drama-not-mine/#axzz28XElzcjD

    sputnik
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    Lucky number , innit ?

    Blackhound
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    35 minute interview with Greg Lemond on attached link

    Lemond interview[/url]

    galactus
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    This thread is doing me in!!!
    Every time I see my name(Lance) I think I been rumbled…. 😀
    It’s just a bit disconcerting,couldn’t you call him Armstrong?
    Different topic Stretch Armstrong was one of the toys I always wanted for Christmas but never got 🙁

    ormondroyd
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    Ashenden: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13026/Ashenden-I-dont-know-whether-Armstrongs-passport-file-was-ever-sent-to-any-of-us-experts.aspx

    “There are two damning features present in Armstrong’s blood values during the 2009 Tour de France,” he said, referring to the published figures. “First, his haemoglobin values did not decline by the 10 percent or so that is typically found during three week stage races. In the Pellizotti case, the publicly available CAS decision shows that the CAS found that this characteristic demonstrated the use of blood doping practices.

    “Second, his reticulocyte levels were below the average of the rest of his reported results. Both of those are consistent with the use of blood transfusions.”

    And interesting stuff about how the UCI effectively decides who gets passport data analysed.

    crazy-legs
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    Lance’s lawyers flexing their muscles again. Or at least getting in with their version of events before USADA sends its file to the UCI.

    http://road.cc/content/news/68670-armstrong-lawyer-goes-offensive-against-usada-ahead-agencys-report-uci

    higgo
    Free Member

    And there was me, thinking he’d moved on.

    ormondroyd
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    KABOOM!

    http://www.usada.org/default.asp?uid=4032

    Today, we are sending the ‘Reasoned Decision’ in the Lance Armstrong case and supporting information to the Union Cycliste International (UCI), the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), and the World Triathlon Corporation (WTC). The evidence shows beyond any doubt that the US Postal Service Pro Cycling Team ran the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen.

    The evidence of the US Postal Service Pro Cycling Team-run scheme is overwhelming and is in excess of 1000 pages, and includes sworn testimony from 26 people, including 15 riders with knowledge of the US Postal Service Team (USPS Team) and its participants’ doping activities. The evidence also includes direct documentary evidence including financial payments, emails, scientific data and laboratory test results that further prove the use, possession and distribution of performance enhancing drugs by Lance Armstrong and confirm the disappointing truth about the deceptive activities of the USPS Team, a team that received tens of millions of American taxpayer dollars in funding.

    Together these different categories of eyewitness, documentary, first-hand, scientific, direct and circumstantial evidence reveal conclusive and undeniable proof that brings to the light of day for the first time this systemic, sustained and highly professionalized team-run doping conspiracy. All of the material will be made available later this afternoon on the USADA website at http://www.usada.org.

    The statement also confirms Hincapie, among others, as a witness.

    ormondroyd
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    Boom

    Hincapie confesses: http://www.bicycling.com/news/pro-cycling/george-hincapie-admits-doping?page=0,1

    USADA statement: http://www.usada.org/cyclinginvestigationstatement.html

    Evidence to be released in full this afternoon US time

    bigdawg
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    bigdawg
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    oops double post!

    Macgyver
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    “The evidence shows beyond any doubt that the US Postal Service Pro Cycling Team ran the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen”

    Well I object to the word professionalized it just doesn’t sound right, what’s wrong with just saying professional? And should that also say “that we’ve ever found out about” rather than the definative statement of “that the sport has ever seen?

    Picky I know but it bugs me. Given the serious nature I do wish they would word things a little better.

    Oh yes, he’s probably guilty.
    😉

    mefty
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    Amercians believe in supersizing – especially words

    piemonster
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    Lancey, I believe you are shafted

    I wonder how Johans defence is looking now?

    mefty
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    Lancey, I believe you are shafted

    I wonder how he finds those apples.

    piemonster
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    I wonder how he finds those apples.

    Considering where he’s had 26 of them just shoved, I doubt he’s very happy.

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