Lance, latest have we done it yet.

Even Armstrong’s statement said he had 5 children

I am not sure anything in that article was true

Maybe he doesn’t realise he impregnated Hora with twins?

So – Hamilton’s book is out in the US today…

Most of the online coverage goes straight for the “Motoman” EPO drop off courier allegations – ie LA’s gardener popped in to the peloton with some EPO when required…

… seems quite a remarkable claim. I wonder who’s trawling through their ’99 TdF coverage at the mo to see if it is verifiable

Surely Motoman was popping to the team bus, hotel etc when required not into the peleton. The idea being so it wasn’t stored on team premises.

Anyone who’s ever ridden with me will confirm I have never taken EPO but isn’t it taken by injection? I know the peleton was turning a blind eye to these things but I doubt anyone was injecting themselves while riding along.

Surely Motoman was popping to the team bus, hotel etc when required not into the peleton. The idea being so it wasn’t stored on team premises.

Makes sense – my mis-read 😳

Post of the thread 😆

Is this Lance thing still on? Thought it would have gone away till next July.

people on drugs just don’t know when to stop, they ramble on and on and on and

So – Hamilton’s book is out in the US today…

So has anyone actually read it?
I know it’s not out in the UK yet but we must have some colonials on here.

So is this the right place to say, ” **** me Alberto that was unbelievable”.

So basically Lance was using his Lance on hot blondes after riding 160 miles a day. Awesome.

By the way – Alberto is probably doped as well.

Anyone know what Contadors watts/kg were for today’s final climb? Would tell us a lot.

You haters make me laugh. You hate because some drug users tell you to.

As much as I dislike Armstrong and am convinced he’s guilty, I’m not sure I can believe anything Hamilton would write after his “I have a twin brother inside me” excuses for his blood results.

Never trust a word of a lier and cheat.

Common sense?!

Agreed, Hamilton is not the most reliable witness.
But the ‘revelations’ in his book (which I haven’t read) seem to be consistent with the rest of the jigsaw.

I probably won’t be around later when the time comes, so can I be the first to say:

“WunFaaahhzand!”

COME ON STW. MAKE LANCE PROUD !!

Exactly. So we’re full circle as to why you trust the word of a certain Lance Armstrong 😉

Some people are selective about which cheats and liars they believe.

I read a newspaper piece this week that said that Armstrong’s fans were going through the five stages of grief right now. I don’t think Hora has got much beyond the denial phase.

Some people on some of the US message boards are quite clearly into the ‘anger’ phase now, many of them taking it out on Sheryl Crow who, it is said, gave testimony to the invetsigators because she had to i.e. would have wound up in court if she’d refused to speak.

The most disturbing thing about this whole farrago is what has Hamilton done to his hair

mefty, I think that’s Cheryl Crow

jfletch – Member
Anyone know what Contadors watts/kg were for today’s final climb? Would tell us a lot.

It’s well worth reading this thread at cyclingnews:
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=18436
(or a summary though it misses some interesting posts, here: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vaughters-confirms-past-doping-by-danielson-others-at-garmin )

Vaughters (JV1973) has posted quite a lot to say the least.

This post answers the VAM w/kg question on yesterday’s stage:
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=1012723#post1012723

Andrew Talansky finished approx 1 minute down on the top guys. This over a 40+ minute climb. Talansky’s VAM was sub-1600, or around 5.9 w/kg, this would put the leaders at perhaps 1650 VAM and 6.1 w/kg. This is not exceptional. 6.1 w/kg gets you around 15th place in 2001 Tour de France.

though keep reading and there are some quite funny comments about Heras and Vino ref the 15th place in 2001 🙂

That thread is very strange. I am quite amazed that JV bothers to go to CyclingNews at all but given how derisive they are towards him, doubly so.

Me too but it’s interesting to say the least. He is quite engaging with normal fans though – I’ve had a couple of twitter discussions on pro cycling with him. I guess that’s the power of social media/the internet – the ability to go straight to the source (if they choose to play ball)

As an aside, a website I found on that thread (or maybe another) is pretty good:

http://www.dopeology.org[/url%5D

Never trust a word of a lier and cheat.

Common sense?!

The problem here is your assumption [leap of faith] that everyone else but LA is lying, you are in complete denial.

You really have your head in the clouds regarding this and your man crush seems to have clouded your vision /powers of reasoning.

Nothing will convince you beyond an LA admission and that is highly unlikely as even when convicted he wont admit it …bit like Tyler eh

History repeats itself first as tragedy then as farce.

And here comes one of the denials from an accusation levelled in Hamilton’s book:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/lancearmstrong/9524663/Drug-accusations-made-by-Tyler-Hamilton-labelled-absurd-by-former-US-Postal-director.html

glitchy thread bump

Glitchbump?

An admission or black and white proof.

Some people don’t believe Armstrong walked on the moon. Do you believe or do you doubt without concrete proof?

mefty, I think that’s Cheryl Crow

Lol, just had coffee on keyboard moment!

Gosh, a rider we’d all pretty much forgotten about chooses this particular moment to write a book about doping. What a coincidence!

*wonders why Lance is getting so much heat given that doping was so widespread, for so long, so widely denied by so many*

And why is Contador allowed to race? – he tested positive, recently, and I read somewhere that his ban period was adjusted so it was partly retrospective and so he didn’t miss too many races. For goodness sake – what message does that send?

Some people don’t believe Armstrong walked on the moon. Do you believe or do you doubt without concrete proof?

As if winning 7 Tours wasn’t enough, he went to the moon as well?!
Or do you mean he was wired to the moon while winning 7 Tours?

😉
[yes, I know it’s two different Armstrongs, it’s not an irony fail…]

That is wierd – Contador.

Genuine LOL, I walked into that one 😆

*wonders why Lance is getting so much heat given that doping was so widespread, for so long, so widely denied by so many*

Because, IMO and as stated by USADA, he was part of a conspiracy that many would argue perpetuated doping in cycling and made it harder to get rid of the culture of it.

Contador was banned but had already been suspended/not raced for a period of time that was then take off the two year ban – a bit like being in remand.

Some people don’t believe Armstrong walked on the moon. Do you believe or do you doubt withoout concrete proof?

and some people think he walks on water

wonders why Lance is getting so much heat given that doping was so widespread, for so long, so widely denied by so many*

Well they caught many of the others [ and LA but it was brushed under the carpet or he was allowed a back dated medical cert despite saying on his forms he was not taking any medication at the time of entry ]and he was the winer and highest profile rider of the time …who do you think they should target instead then?
I imagine winners do get more suspicion of drug cheating than loosers…why would you find that odd?

crazy-legs – Member
And here comes one of the denials from an accusation levelled in Hamilton’s book:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/lancearmstrong/9524663/Drug-accusations-made-by-Tyler-Hamilton-labelled-absurd-by-former-US-Postal-director.html

Have a read of what JV has commented about that (since Weltz now works for JV…)

And Contador lost a yellow jersey – not like he got off scott free.

A yellow jersey AND a pink one.

And Contador lost a yellow jersey – not like he got off scott free.

Still sends the wrong message. As soon as Contador tested positive, he should have been suspended from all racing pending the outcome of the case. As it was, he went off, won the Tour, won the 2011 Giro then finally had a ban slapped on him that was backdated to when he tested. So in other words, he still got all the racing in with the added mess and bad publicity of stripping him of his wins.

The whole system needs reworking inside out. Proper procedures, less of the legal back and forths, absolutely no leaks whatsoever from the labs that seem to give data out to random journalists and a complete ban on convicted dopers working as team managers, doctors, etc.

And the UCI could probably do with a good clean as well – lift up all the carpets and clean out everything that was swept underneath them…

Lance, latest have we done it yet.

Yep. To death.