Jeremy Corbyn

I am so mad at this I can’t describe, incandescent, that these idiots are flying in the face of public opinion.

There needs to be a list of all and any labour MP’s that vote for this and they should face deselection, I can’t imagine the voters in their constituencies are in favour of bombing any of Syria or Iraq, it is such a cowardly political sop.
You maybe need to step outside the social media bubble:

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/11/25/strong-and-continued-support-raf-air-strikes-syria/

The guardian who also seem more interested in damaging Corbyn than the tories

They do absolutely hate him on there for some reason

Could it be something to do with controlled opposition?

There seems to be a collective amnesia that we are already bombing Deash in Iraq on behalf of the Iraqi government,

If there are members of the PLP that want to bomb in Syria and vote with the Tories, on their heads be it. They have made that decision. I respect that decision, in the sense that they have come to the conclusion they have. But ultimately if the war in Syria extends, if there’s a conflagration, there are more terrorist atrocities, if the war extends with no end, then obviously we will be looking at who voted for this, and when the blame’s apportioned, it’s their fault

all the “go to war” and “we are putting the UK at risk” stuff is mute, I doubt Deash differentiate based on where their people get blown up. Statements on the politics of who to blame are more about the future power struggle in the Labour Party

The biggest problem I see for Corbyn is that on the international stage he is a non-entity and doesn’t seem to have any real momentum or idea’s that will either negate the argument for bombing or mean that there is a “post bombing” plan for Syria

I also don’t think the political polarisation of the debate is helping anyone, it’s not a left/ right issue and there are good arguments just to step up what we are doing now in support of the French, Russians, Iranians, Turks etc etc. and drive the diplomacy to come up with a viable plan for the defeat of Deash and the creation of a peaceful future for the region. There are probably good arguments to bomb parts of Syria occupied by Deash as well but there doesn’t seem to be a shortage of planes with bombs at the moment.

There seems to be a collective amnesia that we are already bombing Deash in Iraq on behalf of the Iraqi government

Very good point – this is only an issue of where we bomb them, not if.

It will be interesting to see which MP’s vote for and against… do we think the Labour ‘For’ voters will be representing the people who voted for them?

this is only an issue of where we bomb them, not if.

it’s only a matter of time before JC gets pinned down on the current bombing campaign and whether he is “for” or “against”

he needs to avoid that question before the by-election on Thursday or there could be a doubling of UKIP MP’s

Radio4 reporting “public opinion” 2 to 1 for Syrian strikes.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/11/25/strong-and-continued-support-raf-air-strikes-syria/

*whisper* Tom Watson *whisper*

Maybe its a local matter? He is the MP for where they all have their £3 million London townhouses.

Ahh, yes, it’s the traditional bit where the grumpy northerner talks nonsense about London based on his ignorance, and the bit where the chippy southerner rises to the bait to correct him. Islington has the fourth highest rate of child poverty in the whole of England…but just you carry on talking about £3 million pound townhouses.

summed up nicely by the Mash

And konabunny – you took your bloody time. You southerners are no fun any more 😀

We all know that Guardian journalists don’t live in £3 million pound Islington townhouses! Thats just sooooooo New Labour. They rent them out, and have now bought entire streets in Brixton. Its just so edgy walking to get hummous from the new organic, fair-trade workers co-operative*

* The word ‘workers’ is used figuratively in this instance, not in reference to those who need to work to sustain a lifestyle of overpriced vegan restaurants and spending long weekends in Madrid researching their novel, but to denote people who, while independently wealthy, ‘work’ by writing a vaguely left leaning column once a week, when not in Tuscany

Hi….

Wow Binners, it appears that you have finally come to the conclusion that the Labour party is led by the bourgeoisie – and only ninety five years after Lenin said it, congratulations!

Lenin lived in Islington (Percy Circus).

Did he meet Corbyn?

Oi leave Monbiot alone, he’s one of the good guys! Toynbee, Freedland, White et al you can have, but not Mombiot. He may be uber-middle class, but he’s no establishment apologist.

mt – Member

Did he meet Corbyn?

I think Lenin met Corbyn’s mother, once…..

Corbyn and Lenin fell out over whether there should be a horoscope in Iskra

This thread appears to have taken a turn for the better without me, I’m not jumping to any hasty conclusions though.

Marx liked North London so much he stayed there permanently. Much of central London is Labour due to high amounts of social/council housing and a significant amount of the private property lived in by foreigners who cannot vote

JY I think the Guardian “hates” Corbyn as they want to see the Labour Party have a chance of winning an election and form a Government

I think the Guardian “hates” Corbyn as they want to see the Labour Party have a chance of winning an election and form a Government

Not really they want to see Blairites[ someone gently left of centre /middle of the road] in power hence they have flip flopped from Labour to the lib dems/SNP

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/may/04/general-election-newspaper-support

Junkyard – lazarus

The guardian who also seem more interested in damaging Corbyn than the tories

They do absolutely hate him on there for some reason

I disagree. I would expect the Guardian to hate Corbyn for much the same reasons that I hate the Guardian’s bourgeois pontificating claptrap editorials/comment, however although I very rarely ever read the their editorials/comment the occasional cursory glance has surprised me.

In fact I was stunned by the Guardian’s leader the day after John McDonnell’s Conference speech – it was surprisingly sympathetic. And today’s leader appears from the headline (I didn’t read it) to argue the case against air strikes in Syria, which puts it closer to Corbyn than some Labour MPs.

@JY – maybe they just wanted to see anyone left of centre in power, and back the people most likely to achieve that?

would you prefer they backed the (no chance of winning) Greens or SWP, just to enhance their lefty credentials?

(edit to answer Ernie’s question below)

You talking to me ninfan?

allthepies – Member
bluehelmet said » I am so mad at this I can’t describe, incandescent, that these idiots are flying in the face of public opinion.
Radio4 reporting “public opinion” 2 to 1 for Syrian strikes.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/11/25/strong-and-continued-support-raf-air-strikes-syria/

Is that the same radio 4 that predicted the coldest winter for decades at the behest of some city controlled PR agency or other.

Sorry conspiracy theories are my thing, here ask youselves this if you’re wondering who might be behind attempts to discredit our jeremy, he has been asking questions in the house regarding the supply of kit to build un manned drones to Israel, if ever there was an outfit with the black arts of PR covered, Israel is it.

Lenin lived in Islington (Percy Circus).

And Hitler lived in Liverpool.

And Hitler lived in Liverpool.

Which explains why the Nazis only made a short half-arsed attempt to invade England?

They bombed our chippy etc

ernie_lynch – Member
And Hitler lived in Liverpool.

Still does, according to some. Apparently he also kept a subterranean bachelor pad in Berlin.

Now, more than ever, this thread needs JHJ’s pictorial input.

Damn I’m good to you guys

Too obtuse for me jhj

Corbyn has zero chance of winning a GE, the PLP know this as they have experience of getting elected. Pretty much the entire Labour hierarchy pointed this out during the campaign.

The party faithful plus all those £3 voters who are not the faithful need to understand that their standard bearer is going to fail to deliver on his signature issue. His replacement as chairman of Stop the War has been highly critical of him today too.

the PLP know this as they have experience of getting elected.

Yeah that worked a treat the last two times! 😀

Honestly, are you really suggesting that the mid-90s new labour strategy for winning elections is still valid? The main experience the PLP have is of furthering their own political careers by adjusting their ‘beliefs’ to whatever they think will gain them most advantage. I have no doubt most of them are only in the labour party as at the beginning of their careers they judged labour as the best bet for them to get into parliament. Had the tables been turned they’d almost certainly now be in the tory party.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/dec/02/labour-mps-deselection-threats-syria-vote-stella-creasy-diana-johnson

“The level of abuse over the last four months is on a totally, totally different scale from anything ever before. It is directly linked to people purporting to support Jeremy,”

Certainly matches my experience.

Honestly, are you really suggesting that the mid-90s new labour strategy for winning elections is still valid?

Having policies that appeal to a large number of normal people rather than policies that appeal to a tiny minority of nutters on the extremes?

Yeah. Still valid.

Are you saying Corbyn’s policies appeal to a minority of extreme nutters?

Is there a poll for this?

it’s only a matter of time before JC gets pinned down on the current bombing campaign and whether he is “for” or “against”

@big_n_daft Corbyn was asked repeatedly today during his speech to clarify his position, he declined.

@molgrips as many of us have said the centre ground wins UK elections and Corbyn is way way off to the left of the centre ground. As such his policies do not appeal to the majority.

“The level of abuse over the last four months is on a totally, totally different scale from anything ever before. It is directly linked to people purporting to support Jeremy,”

Who was asking if STW was representative of the wider society? 😉

For proof of “ends justify the means” as a political strategy (ie, get into power at whatever cost)one only needs to look North

Are you saying Corbyn’s policies appeal to a minority of extreme nutters?

Nutters on the extremes, rather than extreme nutters. The few percent of the population who you might as well leave unrepresented (leave them to the Greens) as their aren’t enough of them to vote you in.

Some great quotes from the general public on COrbyn from the Guardian article on the Oldham election:

Corbyn seemed to be saying ‘let bygones be bygones. Let’s hide under a rock’ or something. I think he’s a pussy.”

“Just another liar”

“He’s an idiot,” “It’s all the things he comes out with. He needs to get his act together.”

and for some balance:

“I like him,” she says. “I think they have to go in that direction – more peaceful.”

Some great quotes from the general public on COrbyn from the Guardian article on the Oldham election:

Like the guardian is an objective source for opinions on Corbyn! You might as well quote the daily mail.

policies that appeal to a tiny minority of nutters

Rail renationalisation – most are in favour
Reform of the energy companies – most in favour
Borrowing to invest in public infrastructure – most in favour
Abolishing tax loopholes for the rich and corporations – most in favour
Avoiding destructive wars – most in favour

Total loony left stuff all that. 🙄

Most in favour

Irrelevant. The Establishment are NOT in favour, and they know best, okay?