Jeremy Corbyn

So who would vote for him …..now I’ve found the thread because some of us don’t spend every waking **** minute of our lives on here.

Ha ha, I know how you feel (viz STW).

As per the last thread, No, I won’t vote for Labour under the current leadership.

I can’t vote for their polices (well his polices).

I trust Corbyn, but I can only trust him to do things I wouldn’t like and don’t think are good for the country.

I don’t like him, I especially hate the way he cannot handle having people within the party who don’t agree with him.

I also believe he is Pro-Leave with every fibre of his being (and why not, his hardcore socialist Labour fore-bearers despised the EU too) but doesn’t have the balls to say so, he’s vague and dismissive of the Brexit process hoping to hold onto ‘New’ Labour voters like myself, which polls on the last election showed decided to vote for him at the last moment through a combination of loyalty a local politicians making vague promises about reversing A50.

Gets my vote.

Their policy should reflect what their membership wants. This is what Corbyn promised about all labour policy.

Strange he’s giving interviews about Brexit that state the opposite, then…

So who would vote for him …..now I’ve found the thread because some of us don’t spend every waking **** minute of our lives on here.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

About 40% of the population

I’d look at them tactically as I would prefer the Lib Dems

I don’t get why political parties make it so difficult on themselves by having a leading figure that a significant part of the population will just never vote for.

I like Corbyn. I like what he stands for. I would always choose an ethical human being over an unethical one.

But the labour party would run away with any election under a different leader. I won’t even say he’s too divisive (though he can be). Many people just don’t have the confidence he can do it. Personally, I’m glad he’s there to represent his views, but I don’t think he’s the right man for the top spot.

I’m no fan of his but I’d vote for him because I despise the Tories and the damage they’re doing to our country.

I’m no fan of his but I’d vote for him because I despise the Tories and the damage they’re doing to our country.

That’s the thing. Most people are of that opinion, yet half of them still won’t vote for Corbyn.

That’s the thing. Most people are of that opinion, yet half of them still won’t vote for Corbyn.

I’d guess they assume, like me, that his polices would be more damaging than current ones, or not suitably less damaging to switch alliances.

That’s the thing. Most people are of that opinion, yet half of them still won’t vote for Corbyn.

Probably because they can’t separate policies from person.  Politics has turned into personality more than ever and I agree they would be better off with a personality front man.

p jay – which policies are you reffering to?  The labour party policies are almost all mainstream social democratic.  Nothing “hard left” at all

Personally I am far more likely to vote labour now than I was pre Corbyn.  Labour lost me as a supporter a decade or so ago with Mandelsons” very relaxed” about the super rich and also the loss of internal democracy under Blair alng with Murphys antics

My issue is that in Scotland they still have to sort their shit out and actually engage with holyrood rather than just opposing the SNP on everything because they hate the snp and It will take me a long time to forgive the labour / tory pact that led to 10 tory mps in scotland and prevented a labour government.  Also my local labour MP is so ghastly that I can never vote for her.  A despicable person.  A liar.

Personally I am far more likely to vote labour now than I was pre Corbyn.  Labour lost me as a supporter a decade or so ago with Mandelsons” very relaxed” about the super rich and also the loss of internal democracy under Blair alng with Murphys antics

Yeah, that’s pretty much where I’m at, though I stopped voting for them because of the Iraq war.

Memories are short as to just how hollowed out the labour party came under Blair/Brown/Miliband etc. There was a complete absence of morality and principle. All that mattered was being in power, and then being embarrassed about the stuff they did that was good (yes, some of it was good). There was also an iron grip on the party with almost dictatorial control which completely stifled debate. It’s ironic that some accuse Corbyn of the same despite the fact he’s spent two years returning power to the membership and opening up debate on pretty much every subject imaginable.

For all Corbyn’s faults and apparent shortcomings, at least we can now be sure that the labour party is actually the labour party. I’m more of a McDonnell supporter than Corbyn, he’s more radical and open minded, and also more competent. I’ll vote labour under either though.

Ah Daz, still trying to wipe out the history of the labour party that won elections. Three of them in fact.

Your boy couldn’t win against the worst conservative government in a very long time. He won’t win next time.

I find it incredible that while I support many of the social democratic policies of the Labour party, there are folk who don’t have the nous to see that Corbyn and his ilk won’t win. He can open up what he likes to the membership. The membership aren’t the ones to impress.

As mentioned above, politics has become about personalities not policies, terrible really, but considering the other personalities in on the other side in this game, a half decent labour LEADER would be murdering this lot.

The way the voting system works in conjunction with the media hit squad, means that a much more savvy wolf in sheeps clothing leader is required for the job.

Labour going back to what you see labour should be, will only end one way as it stands, in opposition.

Who then El-bent?  I ask because I see no one with those qualities in labour right now – bar perhaps Starmer?

Which of the following do you think would make the best Prime Minister?
Theresa May – 36%
Jeremy Corbyn – 22%
Don't know – 38%https://t.co/GerqXZ2Ong pic.twitter.com/yfjaoFuqIX

— YouGov (@YouGov) November 12, 2018

bar perhaps Starmer?

Starmer would be perfect, IMO – I think he is gunning for Jeremys job, when we go full-Brexit and the young voters turn on Jezza.

Of that “Best PM” question, Lib:Dem voters* are 2:1 in favour of May and only 68% of Labour voters* reckon Corbyn.

(* by vote at last GE).

A clarification of Jezzas position on Brexit

Your boy couldn’t win against the worst conservative government in a very long time.

That was the all conquering conservative government who were going to win a landslide victory and were heavily aided by the “moderates” in Labour doing their best to undermine their leadership? They only became the worse conservative government in a very long time after the glorious victory failed. Not least because Corbyn actually got some airtime.

L<span style=”font-size: 0.8rem;”>abour going back to what you see labour should be, will only end one way as it stands, in opposition.</span>

Whereas Labour chasing the tories rightwards ends in only one way. Hard right policies being normalised as “centrist” and a large proportion of the population wondering who represents them and whether brexit would be a good idea.

and a large proportion of the population wondering who represents them and whether brexit would be a good idea.

Nail on the head. The reason populists like UKIP get airtime is because the so called ‘grown-ups’ begin to take the general public for granted. And no, before anyone pipes up, Corbyn isn’t a populist. Populists are politicians who jump on whatever bandwagon goes past and use dog-whistle politics to stir up hatred to gain votes.

Ah Daz, still trying to wipe out the history of the labour party that won elections. Three of them in fact.

Where did he say they didn’t? It is a fact that Labour was on the slide, the choice was to continue in the same vein, or change course.

Jeremy Corbyn pictured laying wreath with international terrorists, arms dealers and mass murderers

I’m pretty apathetic when it comes to voting, partly laziness but mostly I don’t agree with or trust any of the options, I’m sure I’m not alone. Something needs to change and Corbyn is the only party leader that offers that, I don’t agree with a lot of his policies but I do trust him more than any Tory (certainly one likely to end up as leader).

Nothing radical ever happens with politics in this country (these days) anyway, 4 year cycles and first past the post means everyone’s always got their eye on the next election, not fixing stuff now or trying something that takes a long time to have a positive effect. None of the main parties are likely to screw things up enough with their watered-down, voter-friendly policies to have any real impact on my day to day life anyway.

Nothing radical ever happens with politics in this country (these days)

Agree

None of the main parties are likely to screw things up enough with their watered-down, voter-friendly policies to have any real impact on my day to day life anyway.

Nor me bit we are the lucky ones.  Even the non radical changes can have an impact to many less fortunate than us, i.e. austerity and the wide reaching impact of the various cuts.

It is not about specific policies, it is the direction of travel and what they stand for| which is why the party leader is not the thing people should be most worried about

“Who are you ?”

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/tory-mp-heckles-jeremy-corbyn-who-are-you/

22nd Feb 2016 TG? Is this a prophesy or just really old?

What prompted you to dig that one out?

22nd of Feb 2016 Burnham and Eagles on the front bench FFS, someone isn’t keeping up. What relevance is a 2 year old clip of commons heckling?

Did anyone see Delia at the football the other day?

“Who are you ?”

If the Govt collapses in the next couple of days, and if the SNP will support him, the answer to that question will be “The PM”. I bet he was a bit nervous last night until Gove stayed on the sinking ship today.

someone isn’t keeping up.

Such is the tory way and living in the past and all that.

Which of the following do you think would make the best Prime Minister?
Theresa May – 36%
Jeremy Corbyn – 23%
Don't know – 38%https://t.co/TCNrCf1f0S pic.twitter.com/BC3UwVkT1J

— YouGov (@YouGov) November 30, 2018

What’s changed? They were near neck an neck a short while back.

Corbyn’s “leadership” of Labour one of the most pressing antisemitic incidents of 2018 according to the Simon Wiesenthal Centre:

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Jeremy Corbyn has been named in an annual list of the top ten antisemitic incidents around the world.

The Simon Wiesenthal Centre, a human rights organisation which researches the Holocaust, placed Mr

Corbyn fourth in the list.

The Labour leader was dogged by accusations of antisemitism for much of the summer after The Times’s revelation that he had hosted an event comparing Israel to the Nazis. This was followed by claims that he had been present as a wreath was laid for Palestinians involved in the Black September terrorist group.

The centre, which is based in Los Angeles, wrote: “Allegations of antisemitism on the part of key members and officials of the UK’s Labour Party officials have piled up in recent years, injecting the world’s oldest hatred into the mainstream of society. Party leader Jeremy Corbyn stands directly responsible.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/jeremy-corbyn-and-labour-on-simon-wiesenthal-centres-antisemitism-list-820lv57kn

Still banging the drum I see, did they look a little closer at the events> Or just the headlines?

It does show you just what happens if you show support for Palestine though, they mobilise the lot against you.

The Labour leader was dogged by accusations of antisemitism for much of the summer after The Times’s revelation that he had hosted an event comparing Israel to the Nazis.

critism of the actions of Israel is not necessarily anti-semitic – is the UN security council anti-semitic as they keep making resolutions that aren’t in Israels favour and are in favour of international law which the Israelis keep breaking.

https://www.ipsc.ie/israels-violations-of-international-law-a-brief-introduction

Personally I think it is time these resolutions were enforced…

In other non-news, he’s banging on about scrapping hospital parking charges again. Comments from many that places where no parking charges apply end up being used as commuter parking taking up space for patients and visitors.

It’s wrong to charge people to visit loved ones in hospital and the staff who care for them.

Labour will scrap hospital car parking charges.https://t.co/zMcK1hoVId

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) December 27, 2018

Comments from many that places where no parking charges apply end up being used as commuter parking taking up space for patients and visitors.

If only there were some sort of technological solution that could be used there to enforce and fine people who were not visiting or being treated…

I don’t actually think he could handle the pressure or wants the job.
He’s quite happy asking questions from the sidelines, could he deliver? – No

He’s quite happy asking questions from the sidelines, could he deliver? – No

Unfortunately not much is being delivered by anyone at the moment, it’s almost as if once the brexit mess is sorted both parties need a chance to do some soul searching and then possibly hit the reset button, take on a GE and go from there.

Corbyn’s “leadership” of Labour one of the most pressing antisemitic incidents of 2018 according to the Simon Wiesenthal Centre:

Yawn. Perhaps while we’re at it we could discuss his support for the IRA and Hamas too. TBH he’s probably stronger at defending himself against this rubbish than he is on his stance on brexit. The problem is his brexit stance is much less defensible.