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rain on the forecast 😀

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Klunk
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it’s odd there’s no penalty for an engine swap… what’s to stop teams using a qualifying engine (the one of 3 thats producing most oomphf) then swapping it out in the race for a less powerful unit and saving it for the next quali ?

They all have to be built to the same spec (minus the parts that are allowed to be upgraded)

They all have to be built to the same spec

they’ll still produce different power on the dyno, and a new engine compared to a multi raced used engine is not the same.

what’s to stop teams using a qualifying engine (the one of 3 thats producing most oomphf) then swapping it out in the race for a less powerful unit and saving it for the next quali ?

They have to use the same spec engine for qualifying and the race. They used to be able to adjust engine modes for qualifying or for critical times in a race but that’s not allowed now.

They are allowed three identical engines for the year without penalty. Max is now on his third, so he doesn’t get a penalty for this change. He can change back to used engines, but if he takes another new one, he’ll face penalties.

I think the crack was near a mounting point, obviously crash damage. Whether it can be repaired is not certain at this point. I don’t know the details of the rules, but to me it would seem fair to allow them to do the minimum amount needed to repair the engine. All the mechanical components must be undamaged, it’s just a cracked engine block so repairing or replacing that and refitting all the other bits to it would seem fair seeing as it was crash damage. I’m not sure if the cylinder liners are removable, I suspect not, and not sure how fitting used pistons and rings into a new cylinder block would work.

they’ll still produce different power on the dyno, and a new engine compared to a multi raced used engine is not the same.

Yup, but of the three one can’t be an 80s style qualifier hand grenade. Same spec doesn’t mean absolutely identical power output as the tolerances involved make that impossible

Hamilton trolling Verstappen.

LEWIS: "I don't think it will be the end of the world if we lose position [at the start], as we're on a different tyre and can go longer"#HungarianGP ?? #F1 pic.twitter.com/TqYIPCaZCT

— Formula 1 (@F1) August 1, 2021

They have to use the same spec engine for qualifying and the race. They used to be able to adjust engine modes for qualifying or for critical times in a race but that’s not allowed now.

They are allowed three identical engines for the year without penalty. Max is now on his third, so he doesn’t get a penalty for this change. He can change back to used engines, but if he takes another new one, he’ll face penalties.

thanks for the patronizing lesson, but I knew the rules. Even same spec engines produce different power numbers (even if it is small) and worn engines produce less power than new engines so it just seems odd that theres no penalty for an engine swap between quali and the race.

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Hamilton trolling Verstappen.

Is that different to the sort of thing he’d say if the crash hadn’t happened? Seems fairly standard

“The problem is that “ironic” racist jokes are actually still racist,”

This x 1000

I saw a Lenny Henry documentary last year where he pointed out that the only black comedy facess on TV during the 2000’s were in blackface. Lee Francis, League of Gentelman, Little Britain and Ali G.

I was uncomfortable with those shows at the time but didn’t comment because I didn’t want to be seen as missing the irony. I’m in my 50’s, I could see the irony because I had grown up during the 70’s and 80’s but those shows were aimed at a youth audience who had no context in which to see it as ironic.

it just seems odd that theres no penalty for an engine swap between quali and the race.

They’re allowed three engines for the season. The engines must be of the same spec, disregarding manufacturing tolerances and wear and tear. Any engine will suffer wear as soon as it is run so they often introduce new engines at power circuits and refit older engines for non-power circuits. That’s perfectly legal. Qualifying engines with a different spec for higher performance are not allowed.

3 engines you don’t say

rain at the start, looks very grey… soft tyres might not be such a disadvantage if it’s slight moist

not sure how fitting used pistons and rings into a new cylinder block would work.

I thought pistons and cylinders sort of bedded in to each other during the running in stages? Maybe the tolerances are so tight on F1 engines that it’s not really an issue?

tis raining

I thought pistons and cylinders sort of bedded in to each other during the running in stages?

Yes, so the old rings would have to be rebedded into new cylinder bores. No idea how that would work out. I suspect not well, but allowing them to fit new rings would give a boost in performance and would not be allowed.

tis raining

Does that mean they still have to start on the tyres they used in Q2?
Or do they get free choice to go for Intermediate or Wet tyres?

Surely it’d be insane to qualify in dry conditions on (say) Medium and then be forced to start a race in the pissing rain on them…?

Genuine question, sorry, I don’t know the rules on that one…

So at what point does an old engine become a new engine? Some parts will no doubt get replaced every race. Then you can upgrade other parts for reliability reasons which you can presumably put on all 3 of your seasons engines. Given that way teams push the limit of the rules you must be able to get pretty close to a new engine without exceeding your allocated 3.

thats quite wet now

So at what point does an old engine become a new engine? Some parts will no doubt get replaced every race.

The engines are sealed. They cannot replace parts generally. Things like oil filters, spark plugs, etc. will be exceptions, but the major parts cannot be replaced.

Surely it’d be insane to qualify in dry conditions on (say) Medium and then be forced to start a race in the pissing rain on them…?

If it’s officially a wet race, they can change tyres. If it’s just a bit damp, it’s not a wet race. It’s up to the race officials to decide. I assume they ask the drivers and teams for input on the decision.

any bets on someone going off on the formation lap ?

mazespin i#m looking at you 😉

intermediates across the board

blimey!

He’s tried to kill both our drivers there!!!

great team work from bottas

whoopsie

“Our” drivers?

I’m channelling my inner Christian Horner.

great start from lewis

I’m channelling my inner Christian Horner.

You will be a long time in the shower later, but you know deep down no matter how hard you scrub, you will never be clean again.

Great chance for Max to show his stuff, assuming his car is up to it.

Post race Horner interviews should be interesting today.

Gutted for Lando.

the Ocon in car is brilliant

From one of the onboard cameras, Hamilton looked to have slid a little in the first corner as well, he might have lost position if not for the chaos behind.

just looked like a twitch as he put the power down

gaffer tape a go go 😀

Perez says Bottas has ruined another engine too. Horner’s going to be such value later.

Suns out 😀 Will max gamble on slicks ?

thats a lot of tape ?