Leaked document reveals MTB World Cup plans for 2025

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In a leaked document titled ‘2025 MTB Reform, Evolution of Mountain Bike Racing’, the UCI and Warner Brothers Discovery (WBD) set out proposed changes for the racing year ahead.

Now, obviously this document has been leaked to us, and perhaps it’s a ‘pre-production prototype’ to be replaced by a future draft, but its contents certainly match much of what the pit-talk has been recently.

For an in-depth discussion of this document among those who frequent the race circuit, talk to team managers on a regular basis, and are in daily contact with pro-riders, we recommend you tune in to the Making Up The Numbers podcast. Here’s our take – and questions – about how next year’s season will shape up, and the potential impact for the industry. Remember – this is what we think we’re seeing, and the document we have is of the presentation variety, rather than a full UCI rule book or race handbook.

The Disciplines

It appears that there are plans to tighten up the categories, with 0-100mm travel being XC, Enduro being restricted to 140-160mm, and DH being 180mm and up. At least, we think that’s what’s being suggested – it’s not completely clear if it will be a UCI-style technical restriction, or just that courses will be designed with these types of bikes in mind. E-Enduro’s World Cup is to be ‘paused’, although it appears that the E-Enduro World Series may continue.

For bike companies that have invested in the burly 170-180mm travel enduro race bikes, this may come as quite a blow – although these will surely remain a popular choice among the bike park riding public. Likewise, brands that have invested heavily in lightweight e-enduro race bikes may also feel short changed. The document suggests that during the ‘pause’ there will be discussions with brands as to the future format – one might assume that this will be looking to define some of the technical parameters, such as battery capacity, torque, and perhaps whether you can swap batteries during the event? Whatever decisions are made here, it will be interesting to see whether the consumer market is all that bothered – like performance cars vs daily drivers, you might well imagine that the average e-MTB rider doesn’t care too much for the race performance stuff, instead seeking out durability and ride quality.

There is to be a rule change to allow ‘HC’ events (Hors Category, the top level courses) to take place in more countries – currently, events can only be classified as HC after three years of being a C1 event, as well as other conditions associated with the level of riders attending the event. Changing these rules could potentially allow brand new events to enter the calendar – potentially creating an opportunity for countries or locations wanting to create an Olympic-like spectacle to spotlight the scene. On the one hand, this could make things interesting and open up new riding destinations – but on the other perhaps there’s a risk of ‘highest bidder’ destinations, as we’ve arguably seen happen in football and the Olympics.

There’s a clear expectation that DH will be ‘3 minutes of racing’. We already saw the Fort William track being sped up and straightened out to reduce the race times – will long courses like it be a thing of the past?

The Teams

There’s big news here for teams, in that there will be a maximum of 20 World Series Teams for Gravity (Enduro and DH), and 20 World Series Teams for Endurance (XC and Short Track). These teams will get the ‘all inclusive’ package of hospitality, paddock access, and race entries. 15 of the teams will be invited to be ‘World Series Teams on the basis of their previous year’s results, while 5 will be ‘wildcards’ given invitations on the basis of a matrix (more on that in a minute). Top 10 teams will be given ‘World Series Team’ status for two years. This level of team must field at least one rider at every World Cup event for DH or XCO.

The 5 wildcards will be given invitations to attend all races in a year on the basis of a matrix scoring system, which will take into account:

  • UCI MTB team ranking, current & previous season
  • Profile of any individual athletes
  • Team composition (multi-category, multi-gender)
  • Profile of team sponsors (out of industry, global, etc.)
  • Media profile of team (social media, etc.)
  • Any injury issues during current or previous season
  • Anti-doping history

There will also be ‘UCI Mountain Bike Teams’ who can apply to be in the wildcard pool for individual events. These are pitched as a sort of ‘development team’ for the World Series Teams, and teams will be able to partner up. The UCI Mountain Bike Teams will not get guaranteed entry to races, and will have more limited race-side perks.

Teams can have a minimum of 3 riders and a maximum of 10 riders. Each team can field a maximum of 4 riders per event, and a World Series Team can field a partnered development team rider for an event if desired.

Eight of the ‘UCI MTB Teams’ in the wildcard pool will receive invites to individual events on the basis of a matrix, which takes into account:

  • UCI MTB team ranking, current & previous season
  • Profile of any individual athletes
  • Team composition (multi-category, multi-gender)
  • Profile of team sponsors (out of industry, global, etc.)
  • Media profile of team (social media, etc.)
  • Any injury issues during current or previous season
  • Anti-doping history
  • Home country of team
  • Continental Series team standing

The ‘profile’ elements are interesting. Will we see influencers and/or big brands getting invites over the top of low-key but fast riders? It would certainly add a new layer of nuance to team structures and sponsorship. The pressure to take on a high profile sponsor regardless of their ethics or fit with the sport might well grow – is this a huge sports-washing opportunity in the making?

While there’s the potential for those outside the (can we say cosseted?) World Series teams to get into a race, and perhaps even into finals, the invitational element seems to stack things against them. The document we’ve seen says invitations will be issued 4 weeks prior to the event – which doesn’t leave much room for booking flights, hotels, mechanics, support etc. They certainly won’t be able to book travel etc months in advance and take advantage of lower prices.

The attendance requirement will surely favour teams with a budget big enough to afford riders on the bench – or a development team partner. Perhaps there’s a risk here that riders on smaller teams may find themselves under pressure to compete before injuries are fully healed, in order to meet the attendance quota?

On the plus side, it’s good to see that multi-gender teams will be favoured – this should encourage teams to have more women than many do at present.

Individuals

There appears to still be a pathway to racing for individuals, although the logistics seem stacked in favour of the top flight ‘World Series Teams’.

Individuals will be able to enter through one of the following:

  • National Federation quota – Elite: 3 per race, U23 XCO and Junior DHI: 4 per race
  • Top 5 individual riders from previous season
  • Continental Series overall standing
  • Top 5 individual riders from each Continental Series round, ‘Golden ticket’ for 1 round of The UCI World Cup within the current season
  • Any current National, Continental, Olympic or UCI World Champion
  • In XCO Elite, any rider ranked in the top-100 of the UCI ranking
  • In XCO U23, any rider ranked in the top-200 of the UCI ranking
  • In DHI Elite, any rider ranked in the top-50 of the UCIranking
  • In DHI Junior, any rider ranked in the top-100 of the UCI ranking

That does look to give lots of opportunities for individuals to enter, although we’re not clear on the fees that would be required, or the level of support/facilities available to them. The ‘World Series Team’ status appears to bring with it a degree of all-inclusive comfort and access, so it might be reasonable to assumer that these perks would not be available to individuals or lesser status teams.

What Is The Continental Series?

At present, this doesn’t exist, but the document we’ve seen suggests it will create a pathway to elite racing. However, it’s not clear whether WBD and/or the UCI will be funding these – like Premiership football clubs do with grassroots and youth squads – or whether it’s just a notion at this stage. What WBD/UCI is envisaging is:

  • Series consisting of between 4 – 8 rounds per Continent
  • Coordinated by Confederations / National Federations
  • Comprises events registered on the UCI calendar
  • Where possible HC class events (Cross-country, Downhill)
  • Separate races for Junior, U23 & Elite
  • Open participation, not restricted to only riders from that continent
  • Series Standings for individuals & UCI Teams
  • Parity across confederations. A rider’s best 4 rounds count for final continental series standings

Riders in the UK with an eye on pro racing may well want to start planning how to spend a chunk of time in Europe…

If the Continental Series get proper funding, it could spell a bright future with clear pathways through racing – but race organising is a tough job, and chasing races across a continent is a big ask for an individual or small team. It’ll take proper funding – and likely some broadcast coverage – to make this viable for many.

Race Day Changes

There are some big changes proposed for Downhill, with rider protection being scrapped. This might be a welcome leveller in a set up that seems like it will be tough for those outside the top flight.

Elite DH finals will see 30 men and 15 women competing. To get there, everyone will have to ride a Q1 qualifying round. The top 20 men and top 10 women will then go straight into the Final. For those outside those top spots, there’ll be a Q2 qualifying round, from which the fastest 10 men and 5 women will be added to the Finals start list.

Have a mechanical or a crash in Q1, and you’ll have to ride Q2 to bag those last Finals spots – even if you’re the World Champion. No protection means no one gets a free entry. Exciting – yes. But it also means that the riders who are likely to be outside the top flight and with the least support are going into the Finals the most tired, with two runs behind them. It’s a strong incentive to do well in Q1, which should make for exciting viewing… except that qualifying is not listed as being broadcast anywhere.

Can We Watch It?

Broadcasting seems to be a bit of a mixed bag. On the one hand, Juniors and Elites will get live broadcasts for most of the races, but the U23 XC events won’t be broadcast when the weekend is also hosting DH. It’s only Finals being broadcast, with no mention of any coverage for qualifications, or enduro.

There’s a bunch of ‘Fan Activations’ and press conference time listed into the sample weekend schedules, but there’s no track walk, and no details on any other media options. It would have been nice to see other broadcasters being able to show qualifications, for example.

Pick Your Number

It appears that there is to be more emphasis on riders as personalities, and teams as brands, with new rules around kit colours and branding. Riders will also be able to choose a ‘career’ number, so you can follow rider 101 until they retire, or whatever. The current series leader will swap out for plate 01 for each race, and will also get a Leaders’ Jersey.

Who will claim lucky number 7? Should we raise an eyebrow at whoever chooses 88? Will someone cheekily want 69? Or someone new age want 111? Will numerolgy consultants be added to the list of expenses?

In Brief

That’s quite the list. What does it add up to? The document we’ve seen says the goals are:

  • Elevate the UCI World Cup – Elevate the pinnacle of the sport through more focused racing. Celebrating the world’s best riders and teams
  • Create a pathway – Build a strong sporting pathway for riders and teams. From National to Continental, to UCI World Cup
  • Multi-year commitments to teams – Support long-term planning, budgeting, athlete contracts, infrastructure development
  • Team focus – Greater exposure for brands, increased value of teams
  • Clear rules, build rider identities – Increase the promotion of riders, build heroes and increase fan engagement
  • Promotion – To provide more opportunities for marketing, media and fan engagement

It does feel to us like there’s a big emphasis on teams, especially on a handful of elite teams. We can’t help but wonder how many brands will be able to afford it.

While it’s great to watch the best riders duke it out on ever tighter margins on the clock, there has always been a great joy, especially in DH racing, in seeing the privateer who has the run of their life. It seems like the chances of this happening – of a Ronan Dunne of the future – are being made slimmer.

There are the right buzz words being used around progression and pathways, but the reality will depend hugely on the implementation of the Continental Series, and any federation support. Otherwise it’s all a bit like the fable of the stone and the soup – who is going to provide the vegetables?

We’ve asked Warner Brothers Discovery for comment and will update you if we hear back.

How does all this sound to you? Give the Making Up the Numbers podcast a listen too (also linked below), then add your thoughts to the comments.

Update 16th September: Here’s the document we received:

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  • BoardinBob
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    As for Fort William, it’s done and not happening next year according to locals in the know.

    I’d be surprised if it is done. The first DH race in the leaked schedule is in the same weekend as last year’s race at Fort William. It’s early in the year so the risk of snow at proper high altitude resorts is very real.

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    nickc
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    The trouble with that is that instead of getting bikes that are designed for us punters to ride we get bikes that are primarily designed to meet the requirements of eligibility for racing.

    Yeah I guess if you read that information as if its a specification (and it is entitled product spec, so fair enough) To me it reads like a guide to explain mountain bike racing to a punter.

    Mark
    Full Member

    Re-edited podcast should now be avialble in the usual places

    nickc
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    Thank @Mark will give that a listen tonight I think

    stwhannah
    Full Member

    Screen shots of the document now added to the end of the story, so you can read it for yourselves!

    Kuco
    Full Member

    To me they have just completely complicated the **** out of it. Totally confused what they are trying to achieve

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    dirkpitt74
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    @stwhannah some of those pages – especially team entry requirements – make my brain hurt!

    So there are:

    Elite teams who have an entry for the season

    Wild Card teams – who qualify based on points, athlete profiles and other criteria

    Invited teams to each round – scored similar to wild Card

    That makes no sense what so ever……

    So no individual rider entries or have I missed that?

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    frogstomp
    Full Member

    Sure I’ve read that every round of the DH and Enduro world cups will be in Europe

    Updating my previous post on this.. looks like the WOM list was missing page 2 of the (draft) calendar which adds a further 4 stops (3 of which are indicated as outside Europe) – which I think makes a total of 14 World Cup DH races.

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    rockitman
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    Hey guys, quick explanation as to why we took the pod down for a bit…

    I want to give everyone on the pod a platform to speak candidly. With this episode we were up against it, we only recorded on Friday morning & I knew Singletrack were publishing on Friday evening, so we rushed it out & Jack, Emilie & Joe didn’t get a chance to listen back to it until it was live. On reflection there were a couple of bits where people wished they’d phrased things differently. I was racing at the time in a field in Wales & didn’t have the files with me to re-edit (or any decent internet) so Hannah (at my request) took it down for a bit, but I can confirm there were no big revelations removed.

    Thanks for the positive comments on this one, really glad everyone seems to be enjoying it. The Vali episode drops on Thursday…

     

    mrhoppy
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    To me they have just completely complicated the **** out of it. Totally confused what they are trying to achieve

    Completely disagree. You might not like what they are looking to do, but this document at least clearly sets out a direction for things. Teams can get on board with it or make a proper decision to sack it off.

    Teams thing aligns with other UCI events, particularly road. Teams numbers limits riders which allows them to be more focussed over a weekend, maybe more practice time, cover qualis more effectively.

    Bike types for category sets course design expectations.

    DH course length of 3 mins should allow top to bottom coverage for each rider in finals.

    IF it works it makes a product that is more marketable outside the mtb industry which is probably necessary for sustainability (given the bike industry is on its arse) and to allow the top end riders to make a sensible living.  If is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence but it is a position that can be debated rather than a mire of rumours that we’ve had up to now.

    carbonfiend
    Free Member

    I know nish about DH/Enduro but Pidcock when designing that Pinarello limited it to 100mm and said thats all you need for these XC course. Didn’t one of the female XC racers comment on how this is idea of the course being more technical was overhyped ?

    chrismac
    Full Member

    So no individual rider entries or have I missed that?

    When did an individual rider with no team affiliations, whether factory team or non factory team, last feature in the top 30 in DH men’s or Ladies?

    what are the real world probability of an individual not being on a team who is good enough to stand a credible chance of making the final for a whole series. Don’t forget you could have a team of 1 or 2 riders as per ineos

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    weeksy
    Full Member

    So no individual rider entries or have I missed that?

    Certainly is in Juniors. Riders ranked within the top 100 in UCI ranking are allowed. How to score the points for that, well that’s a whole new kettle of worms to open right there. Obviously riders ranked this season i expect will take some sort of points through to next, but the Youth riders coming up into it, i don’t know what events yet they’ll enter to score the associated points.

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    ocrider
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    It’ll be interesting to see how they work that one out for the first year juniors, as none will have any UCI points or ranking to speak of. Our young aspiring rider is already making plans for a weekend in May, but she’ll need to get the invite to wear one of those four national jerseys in order to be on the start list.

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    weeksy
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    It’ll be interesting to see how they work that one out for the first year juniors, as none will have any UCI points or ranking to speak of. Our young aspiring rider is already making plans for a weekend in May, but she’ll need to get the invite to wear one of those four national jerseys in order to be on the start list

    https://ucimtbworldseries.com/rankings/series/uci-dhi-world-cup/2024

    Looking at the juniors list they’ve only got their points from racing WCs, so if you can’t enter, then you can’t have points. I can only assume that this will happen at some stage in some way, but like yourself i simply don’t know.

    Mine isn’t at the place where he’ll get a National Jersey, there’s too many riders ahead of him for those. But we’l keep pushing, trying and working towards it. 🙂

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    frogstomp
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    When did an individual rider with no team affiliations, whether factory team or non factory team, last feature in the top 30 in DH men’s or Ladies?

    In every race this season? Thibault Daprela, Kirk McDowell, Stefano Introzzi, Loris Revelli and Douglas Viera have all had one or more top 30 finals finish.

    Exceptions to the rule, maybe.. but exceptions nonetheless.

    ocrider
    Full Member

    It would be far too straight forward to only have one list of rankings, here’s the other one!  here

    BoardinBob
    Full Member

    I have to ask, what was actually wrong with the whole thing when Red Bull, Free caster and even before it was broadcast? I never got the sense of any fundamental problems with the setup and structure.

    All of this feels like Chris Ball has to do something to deliver on whatever he’s promised WBD. For Red Bull it was advertising for them. Under the new setup they must find a way to monetise it to deliver the returns WBD expect. That means selling advertising space, whether that’s on track or TV/social media adverts.

    It’s a sport that seemed to function perfectly well for a long time, that’s now at real risk of being ruined by the pursuit of profit for WBD, and no doubt a fat bonus for Chris Ball.

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    weeksy
    Full Member

    I have to ask, what was actually wrong with the whole thing when Red Bull, Free caster and even before it was broadcast?

    The riders want a decent salary. To get that the sport needs money.

    Things move on, the world, the sports, everything.

    People want professional level teams and riders, so someone needs to pay.

    Speeder
    Full Member

    weeksy
    The riders want a decent salary.

    And who’s going to give them that? Because it sure as **** ain’t going to be WB or the UCI and all the teams are doing is paying out to be part of the show.  WB and Chris Ball keep telling us they’ve invested heavily, but how much of that has been in setting up the broadcast vs on the actual sport and it’s participants. The only visible changes have been the change to stick markers from tape and the addition of the stupid course pillows.

    The riders would race anywhere on anything so long as it was timed and WB are exploiting that need to race to create a show and line their own pockets.  If this change had happened organically over a number of years it would have been manageable but this change everything and hide it behind a paywall approach has p*ssed everyone right off. Fans, (most) riders and teams alike.  The only person I’ve heard talk positively about it is Bruni and that’s because he’d like to be paid like contemporaries in other sports.

    There was definitely some room for improvement but this was too much too soon and it’s alienated the natural fans and annoyed the participants.  It’s a good job the racing hasn’t suffered and that there’s a lot of content being generated in other channels.

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    spooky211
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    Agree. Aren’t there are still rumours going about that the teams will have to pay to race…how this translates to more money for the riders I don’t know.

    Also, Ball himself once rode in his boxers as a protest to the organises, kind of ironic given the absolute sh*r show lately.

    BoardinBob
    Full Member

    The riders want a decent salary

    Bernard Kerr seems to be doing ridiculously well. Have you seen his fleet of cars, toys and house?

    Reece is ripping around in his Lotus.

    Loris has a McLaren

    Gwin is incredibly wealthy

    I’m sure the lower riders aren’t on huge money, but that’s the same in any sport or industry. There’s plenty of money being made

    spooky211
    Free Member

    This^

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    spooky211
    Free Member

    Meant to say, the likes of Bernard (I mention Bernard as he’s by far the most outspoken) want reimbursement from WB etc as the footage is now behind a pay wall. The thought of WB pocketing (potentially) a lot of cash off the back of the riders who provide the entertainment understandably doesn’t sit well with a lot of the riders.

    Speeder
    Full Member

    Trouble is I doubt that WB are going to be making a significant amount of money off the back of DH. Very few from the MTB community will admit to have signed up for a sub and they’re going to need viewing figures to sell advertising.  It just feels really ill conceived.  How long before the exec. responsible loses confidence and it all falls down?

    BoardinBob
    Full Member

    They’re already realised what they’ve done.

    They paid a ridiculous amount for GCN, then wrote the value down massively and sold it back to the original owners for a fraction of what they paid. Post sale back to the original owners, the GCN guys missed no opportunity to have a a dig at WBD in their videos

    BruceWee
    Free Member

    Listening to MUTN, I thought it was interesting that they categorised the current audience into two camps.  Hardcore fans who will watch however they can and pay whatever they need to do so, and more casual fans who will watch if they can but won’t change their plans to do so.  The second group might be persuaded to pay but not if it seems like they are taking the piss.

    I’m very much in the second group.  I paid for GCN and enjoyed watching all the races they had available.  No way am I paying for Discovery+.  For one, WB seems like a shitty company and I don’t want to give them my money.  Two, I just don’t want all the extra shite they want me to watch.  Life is complicated enough already.  Might sound counterintuitive like, ‘Why can’t you just ignore all the other stuff’ but that’s not the way my brain works.  If I’m paying for something I feel like I have to get VFM out of it.

    Now I use tiz-cycling and that’s it.

    WB know they’ve got the hardcore fans, regardless.  The problem is they clearly don’t give a shit about the second group which I would assume makes up the majority of the audience.

    They seem to be working on the assumption that there is a huge audience out there looking for something to watch between Moto GP and football.  And if they get DH on Eurosport in the right format then this audience will materialise.

    Personally I’m not sure if it’s that aspirational when the pinnacle of sporting achievement is being able to hold the attention of someone who is too lazy to reach for the remote (or even go outside and do something) between the stuff they actually want to watch.

    weeksy
    Full Member

    And who’s going to give them that? Because it sure as **** ain’t going to be WB or the UCI

    Of course, that’s where the great exposure to TV rights and then sponsors come into play. Theoretically anyway. Whether any of the comes to fruition and plays out, I have no idea at all. However that seems to be the theory and logic in play.

    I understand that your people like Kerr etc are earning well… but he’s not just a rider and he is more of the exception than the rule in this. THere’s of course some riders that earn enough, but plenty who are not.

    If we then get into the discussion of “well they’re getting paid to ride their bikes” as we always seem to, then yes they are, but car drivers, motogp, etc are also equally guilty of all this stuff.

    A large chunk of riders in the WC paddock have to not only fund things for themselves but have to buy into a ride…. Whether they feel they get more out of it than they’re having to pay is open to debate, but don’t think for a second that all these people are getting everything for nothing and a large pile of cash on top of it…That’s just not how it works.

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    clubby
    Full Member

    And who’s going to give them that? Because it sure as **** ain’t going to be WB or the UCI and all the teams are doing is paying out to be part of the show.

    Same in road racing. Teams pay to be part of TDF/Giro/Vuelta etc. Organisers provide a platform and broadcast to give exposure to the sponsors. Having races on somewhere like Red Bull tv isn’t going to increase viewership. Millions of people have sky subscriptions, which include Eurosport and Discovery+ as standard. That’s a lot of new viewers if you can get the broadcast format right. A two hour broadcast of 60 riders, where 40 of them have no chance of winning isn’t compelling viewing, even for me as a fan. I’ve never watched a full race. A shorter broadcast where anyone could potentially win is a much better prospect.

    The real kick in the nuts for me is WB and Chris washing their hands of the feeder race series though. This is crucial to stop everything collapsing when the current crop of riders retire. Without it the rest of the plan doesn’t work long term. UCI should force them to run it, but that won’t happen.

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    spooky211
    Free Member

    Yeah that’s what shocked me as well, you cant make all these fundamental changes to the WC series without at least consulting other race organisers to look at the viability of a feeder series. There is going to be a massive gap/shortfall in talent if these series’ aren’t ready to go once these changes are implemented. Pretty selfish and short sighted from Ball et all.

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    weeksy
    Full Member

    In EU the series in IXS already exists, but needs clarification as to how that factors into the overall scheme of things as currently it’s not clear what the ‘pathway’ is. I believe there’s a series in the US too but i get the impression there’s contention there in terms of relationship with UCI.

    Part of the theory is that this will bring people back into Nationals, if you look at this weekends race you had Brayton, Breedon, Walker as the main entrants, the rest (without being too harsh to them) are not full on WC level. Will the lack of ability to enter WCs mean that the other UK riders come back into Nationals…. well, that remains to be seen. I guess it may depend on whether UK Nationals (or French/US etc) give UCI ranking points to give the riders the ability to get back into WCs.

    nickc
    Full Member

    The real kick in the nuts for me is WB and Chris washing their hands of the feeder race series though.

    Isn’t this the “Continental Series” suggested in the document though. It’s hardly ‘washing its hands’ if it’s proposing a/the feeder system.

    BruceWee
    Free Member

    Isn’t this the “Continental Series” suggested in the document though. It’s hardly ‘washing its hands’ if it’s proposing a/the feeder system.

    I think the document (and Ball in his interview) were more saying, ‘Someone should create and run a Continental Series but not us.’

    I’m not sure how many people are going to be banging on the doors to take on that job.

    Speeder
    Full Member

    They’re proposing that these series exist but when they talk about “we” what they mean is “you” as in someone else, they’re going to let market forces and the wider DH race community sort that one out . . .

    They don’t “feel they should be involved” or some words that mean the same

    How’s a Continental series going to work anyway? 80% of World Cups are in Europe (mostly France) and most of the entrants too. This **** about 5 from each continent isn’t even going to cover the UK each year let alone France and the other European countries.

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    wipperman95
    Free Member

    Far too many changes too soon……

    They needed to let it settle under their stewardship before making, what are drastic changes.

    And while WBD are the rights holders/ Promoters of just the MTB World Cup, it is in their interests that the level below is healthy – otherwise, where are the next generation going to come from.

    Look at motorsport; in F1; they have lower formulae on the programme, the WRC has a junior class, WEC has the Le Mans Cup races, etc

    There has to be another lower category series away from the headline act running elsewhere……

    nickc
    Full Member

    I’m not sure how many people are going to be banging on the doors to take on that job

    There’s always going to be a steady stream of kids lining up to be the next DH winner. It’s not the work of genius to see that the groups of people that will benefit the most from that are the Teams that get invited to take part in the world cup, and the national bodies interested in the next round of the Olympics. It shouldn’t be beyond their wit to organise themselves accordingly, especially as the bones of a format has been handed to them on a plate.

    Speeder
    Full Member

    I’m sure there’s an opportunity but doubt it’s worth the risk vs reward for the organiser on a “continental” scale.

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    BruceWee
    Free Member

    There’s always going to be a steady stream of kids lining up to be the next DH winner.

    Sure, but I don’t see a steady stream of people lining up to organise a race series, never mind a continent-wide one

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    Speeder
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    nickc
    I’m not sure how many people are going to be banging on the doors to take on that job
    There’s always going to be a steady stream of kids lining up to be the next DH winner. It’s not the work of genius to see that the groups of people that will benefit the most from that are the Teams that get invited to take part in the world cup, and the national bodies interested in the next round of the Olympics. It shouldn’t be beyond their wit to organise themselves accordingly, especially as the bones of a format has been handed to them on a plate.

    Yes there will “always”? be a bunch of youngsters that want to race DH, that genie’s out of the bottle.  Yes there is a possibility that the invited teams may, like in F1, be in a very privileged position to exploit that status and make money from sponsorship opportunities born from the fact that they’re on TV 15+ weekends a year. But it’s expensive to do on a truly global scale in a way that the bike industry probably can’t support currently, certainly not outside the top 3 or 4 teams.

    It’s all running before we can walk right now

    I’m not sure where you’re going with the national bodies and the Olympics . . . .

    nickc
    Full Member

    I’m not sure where you’re going with the national bodies and the Olympics . . .

    Becasue the TV rights cover XCC, and XCO as well as DH.  There’s multiple groups of folks who’s interests are best served by making sure that they have a steady stream of percipients  to take part in these events, from the people wanting to race, to governing bodies, to the Olympic and National bodies to the bike and component manufacturers and resorts and on and on and on, including the TV rights holders. If they can’t get together to create a national 5-7 race series then honestly the whole stack of cards deserves to crumble.

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