Training and diet talk…

I’m normally too numb by that point to even consider it.

The sole purpose of endurance training is to raise the pace at which you have to endure the suffering

I hate it sometimes, but that’s just when I’m riding like crap – not so much to do with the weather. When it’s hard going I just get smug about taking on the weather and winning.

even when it’s miserable I love it.

You are a labrador, and I claim my 5 doggie treats.

*whos a goood booy then!*

Kick me Jamie, I need to suffer for this 🙂

You need to suffer for starting arguments about diet on here all the time..!

I’m normally too numb by that point to even consider it.

making a doubly difficult challenge you need to man up and also possibly eat some white carbs upon your return from the ride so you have enough energy to complete the activities described within the mantra

Kick me Jamie, I need to suffer for this

I fear we may be going slightly off topic.

*pats on head*

My Mrs doesn’t let me though alex…

MOlly what else are we going to chew the fat about?

iDave – surely you enjoy the suffering??

MOlly what else are we going to chew the fat about?

*awkward silence*

So.. I installed Windows 8 on a VM on an external hd this morning.. Oracle Virtualbox is really nice…

only losers have ‘real life’ girlfriends.

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TSY – I’ll show you on Sunday how much I love the suffering

Have you sponsored her yet?

Okay… back on topic…

Does anyone else have little things they say to themselves when they’re hurting?

I like “this is when I get stronger” works best with a wry smile when your legs are at their limit.

Does anyone else have little things they say to themselves when they’re hurting?

Yes.

“Balls to this…TAXI!”

I just say “Shut up Legs” in a Jens Voigt way .

I just pretend I am on a solo breakaway in a TdF stage. Seriously. It works too, for about 5 mins.

‘Legs, legs, legs’
Inspirational eh. Stops my cadence dropping right off when I’m running a long way.

When I was climbing I occasionally made use of ‘come on arms, do your stuff’. Bonus point for non-googled source.

Does anyone else have little things they say to themselves when they’re hurting?

No.
Saying things to yourself just wastes energy you should be using to bring the horizon closer. Chuck Norris once thanked me for explaining this to him.

I’m afraid Chuck Norris is unavailable for comment, being engaged in a furious 3-way tussle with a crocodile and Jens Voigt.

Actually, now I think about it I just switch to power balladz on the iPod.

There’s a bloke in the local running club who lets out an ear-splitting primal scream when he wants to channel a bit more energy to his legs. Nearly wet myself with terror the first time he did it coming past me.

‘come on arms, do your stuff’

Sy Stallone in… Over the Top ?

Just after the turns his cap around ??

Actually, now I think about it I just switch to power balladz on the iPod

Cycling is about getting outside and into the elements and you don’t need to be listening to Queen or Slayer in order to experience that. Immerse yourself in the rhythm and pain, not in whatever 80?s hair band you call “music”.

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Immerse yourself in the rhythm and pain, not in whatever 80?s hair band you call “music”.

I really like this guy.

I really like this guy.

Down, boy.

Oh not on the carpet!

try to stick to these at all times fellow cyclist

i stole it from that website. rule #62

worship the merckx

If you can talk to yourself you’re not really suffering.

“You’re not seeing spots Jon, your vision isn’t blurry, push harder.”

I’m not talking out loud!

Thank you, trickydisco. Much as I’d gleaned from the various threads then.

I find the no fruit rule bizarre. Pretty much all fruits are low GI, cherries being one exception. They are also a useful source of vitamins and minerals, and satisfying to eat.

burning 2000 caloires worth of body fat a day (2kg per week) is possible with exercise in addition to the diet but any diet that leads to such rapid weight loss will soon put the body into famine mode. For many people with sedentary jobs it will mean getting over 60% of their energy from body fat assuming they burn 3000 calories a day and they get 1000 calories from their iDave intake. There’s lots of evidence that such rapid weight loss and famine mode living results in rebound when the dieters crack (survival instinct). IMo it’s better to adopt a diet you can happily live with for the rest of your life and aim for losing 100gm a week rather than 2kg simply by increasing exercise.

As previously stated, I put on a couple of kgs over winter as I find I get more colds and feel the cold more if I don’t. Those kgs go with no effort when the Summer comes and the market is overflowing with tempting strawberries, raspberries apricots, nectarines, plums and salade ingredients.

I find the no fruit rule bizarre

because quite simply it contains fructose which can spike your insulin

“can” or does? I’ve checked the GI of fructose, it’s 19. I’m not suggesting people have Frosties and milk for breakfast, but müesli with soya milk, natural yoghurt or simply hot water with lots of fruit chopped up in it is a nutritious start to the day that will provide energy for the whole morning. GI? – Around 40 average for the ingedients, where’s the problem?

Having hunted for the ten minutes since my last post I can find no evidence that eating friut leads to an “insulin spike” that could adversly affect blood sugar levels. This is worth a read though.

E, that article looks at blood sugar, not insulin.

In a normal person, blood sugar is not allowed to rise because it triggers an insulin response. The sugar in your blood has to go somewhere, you don’t excrete it. Insulin facilitates the movement of glucose into cells, where it gets used, or….gets stored….. As fat.

Testing the blood sugar level of a non diabetic person is a waste of time; your body simply stores the sugars.

assuming they burn 3000 calories a day and they get 1000 calories from their iDave intake.

You know what they say about assumptions. I’ve seen the plan, you’ve seen the plan. Where does it mention calories?

Edukator, I actually believe you and Dave are not so far apart as you imagine.

Matt

You’ve just posted a summary of what I posted myself on the last thread, Crikey. And precisely, the body produces the insulin needed. By “spike”, I assume tricky disco is saying the body overreacts and produces too much insulin, again there is little evidence for this. Sure, the insulin curve lags the sugar curve so it’s best to avoid starting rigorous exercise in thehour after eating but I’ve never seen a graph with a “spike”.

Remember Marco Pantani was caught in possession of insulin and they’ve been trying to develop an insulin test for a while. Maybe the athletes adopting bizarre diets are doing so because they are compatible with insulin doping.