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  • TheSouthernYeti
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    C’mon Solo I want to learn… what one text should I read on Paleo? and Why?

    I just read an article on overtraining whilst waiting for my breakfast baguette… it would seem I don’t exhibit any of the symptoms apart from volume.

    FunkyDunc
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    2.3kg is a lot to loose in 7 days and not that healthy a thing to do.

    I looked at idiet and decided it wasnt for me as I am not a pro athlete and I like my food, plus I simply do not have the time to cook what is needed.

    Odly I am currently loosing weight without dieting or using a diet of any sort and still get to eat lots of yummy stuff. Oh and I feel great too.

    I think if I was a pro athlete I would take a more scientific approach, but I am not, and want to enjoy life, so for now will continue to eat what I like (in moderation) and exercise.

    Thats not to say some of the stuff above isn’t interesting, but because I’m not a pro athlete thers more to life for me.

    BruceWee
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    I think taking two one off measurements is not the best way to monitor your weight. When I was keeping a close eye on my weight (to make a weight class) I would weigh myself every day keeping as many factors as possible constant. For example, I would weigh myself as soon as I got up after having a pee and I would not be wearing clothes.

    My weight would still vary from day to day by about 0.5kg but over the course of a week you could see if it was trending down or up and figure out what your ‘average weight’ was.

    Even taking out as many variables as possible one off measurements aren’t accurate IMO although it does sound like you lost a fair bit of weight.

    TheSouthernYeti
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    My weight would still vary from day to day by about 0.5kg but over the course of a week you could see if it was trending down or up and figure out what your ‘average weight’ was.

    Agreed. I dropped 2.6lb in 5 mins this morning.

    Jamie
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    I also tried it for 2 weeks, ending last Friday.

    Stuck to it religiously, eggs for breakfast and an off day etc, and after the 2 weeks were up I hadn’t really lost any weight.

    I believe the reason why, is that I did too much exercise, and rather than ‘target’ carbs around that exercising, I just ate more meat/nuts etc.

    Exercise was:

    Week 1 – 205m on the Bike/2hrs Badminton/10m Run
    Week 2 – 35m running/10m walk/60m Riding

    It also seemed, that despite the volumes I ate, I felt..erm…hollow?…and getting going in the morning was a bit tough. Again, I believe this was not fuelling around the exercise properly…i.e no cheesecake…and also the body needing a period of adaption to switch fuels, before lobbing a shedload of exercise at it.

    I think for weight loss, I need to lose about a stone, I might try again, but reduce the exercise right down to a couple of 10k runs in the week, and see if I fare better over a fortnight. Failing that, keep the breakfast like CaptJon and see what happens.

    One thing I should note, apart from occasional weekend splurges, I never really ate much rice, spuds, pasta beforehand. So maybe that was a factor.

    So there we go, I tried it. Didn’t start losing 4-5lb a week, but then there was probably reasons for that. After reading Why We Get Fat by Taubes and watching the Fathead doc, I can see the science makes sense. Just a matter of applying it correctly.

    and then it guesses

    …and those guesses are about as accurate as me guessing 😉

    TheSouthernYeti
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    Jamie – try carb depleted exercise.

    CaptJon
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    BruceWee – Member
    I think taking two one off measurements is not the best way to monitor your weight. When I was keeping a close eye on my weight (to make a weight class) I would weigh myself every day keeping as many factors as possible constant. For example, I would weigh myself as soon as I got up after having a pee and I would not be wearing clothes.

    That’s what i did. Although i kept my boxers on. Did you you know a whiteboard pen works on bathroom tiles? A great way to track progress.

    FunkyDunc – Member
    2.3kg is a lot to loose in 7 days and not that healthy a thing to do.

    I was a little shocked, but it is consistent with other iDieters. I’d be interested to read the science behind the ‘not that healthy a thing to do’ assertion.

    I feel great, and my sleep has been amazing.

    Jamie
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    Jamie – try carb depleted exercise.

    I was for 2 weeks.

    ….and my sleep has been amazing.

    I had poor sleep. Again, probably due to under fuelling. Despite eating a cows worth of meat.

    iDave
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    If you were carb depleted how was anything like the iDiet?

    TheSouthernYeti
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    I had an iDea last night… an experiment if you wish.

    iDave and I are riding a 90 mile sportive together on Sunday… neither of us particularly doing it for the scenery.

    iDave is no doubt going to stick to his diet… does anyone want to provide me with a nutritional plan for Saturday and Sunday to see how it gets on against the iDiet??

    Jamie, I mean riding, running, whatever first thing in the morning when your stomach is growling at you.

    iDave
    Free Member

    What, so we compare poo or something before the ride?

    CaptJon
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    The Southern Yeti – Member

    iDave is no doubt going to stick to his diet… does anyone want to provide me with a nutritional plan for Saturday and Sunday to see how it gets on against the iDiet??

    Muesli, bread, cheesecake and coke to drink… maybe mars milk shake too.

    CaptJon
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    Jamie – Member

    I had poor sleep. Again, probably due to under fuelling. Despite eating a cows worth of meat.

    Sounds like you need the iDD 0.5, it is the new thing sweeping the dieting world.

    TheSouthernYeti
    Free Member

    I was thinking more of seeing if I feel / notice a difference, but we can get all Dr Gillian McKieth if you want? Plus I fancy handing over responsibility for my meal planning to someone else for a couple of days.

    IanMunro
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    Me! Me! Me!
    Saturday is carb loading day, so 500g of sawdust. An underrated, but awesome source of carbs and fibre.
    Sunday is time to get those fats and proteins up, so treat yourself to as many fat-balls and meal worms from the bird table that are needed to sate the appetite. Grass is also allowed on both days – never skip in the greens!, but won’t really have much effect on short term performance so don’t beat yourself up too much if you don’t get enough of it. Astroturf isn’t an acceptable substitute though.

    FieldMarshall
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    I have been following iDave for about two weeks.

    Like Jamie, prior to starting iDave, I ate very little pasta, potato, rice or bread.

    I have also increased the amount of exercise I do in the last few weeks. I have also been doing “fasting” based exercise, i.e. 2hr + early morning rides on an empty stomach and without taking on any carbs during the ride. These have been easier than I thought.

    However, like Jamie, I have lost very little “weight”, i.e. approx only 2lbs.

    On the plus side I feel much healthier, am definitely a bit slimmer and am generally sleeping better.

    I have also been reading Diet Delusion and am quite shocked by the lack of hard evidence in support of a low fat/carb based diet.

    I can see no place for bread/processed carbs in a nutrituous diet. No matter how good is tastes.

    Regarding the Mediterranean diet. I lived in Southern France for 2 years about 10 years ago. I ate exactly what the locals ate, exercised more than them and put on weight and returned home to England less healthy than I went, thanks to catching Toxaplasmosis, which is pretty common in France due to all the undercooked meat they eat. (And apparently explains why they drive like idiots, but thats another story).

    So clearly the Meditteranean didnt work for me. I’m sure a lot of it must be due to genetics.

    Being descended from Northern Europe people (i.e. a cold climate) my body is probably adapated to storing fat to survive, whilst those of Mediterranean descent are obviously better adapated to the climate and foods in that region and dont need to store so much fat.

    Despite the lack of weight loss, I feel so much better for cutting out the minimal amount of processed carbs I was eating and all the lean meat, fish and pulses that I am now eating.

    I havent a clue whether its 4-2-1 or 4-3-3 or whatever. But I feel much healthier for not eating pasta, potato, rice or bread. So am going to continue that way.

    TheSouthernYeti
    Free Member

    Ian – my mates got a load of fish food boilies that are rotting in the back of his van??

    Edit: They’re crab, cranberry and skunk flavoured if it makes a difference.

    IanMunro
    Free Member

    They’d be perfect too!
    In fact why not take them and a bait catapult on the sportive and spread the health eating message to your fellow cyclists!?

    alex222
    Free Member

    So can I have a cream egg for elevenses?

    TheSouthernYeti
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    So can I have a cream egg for elevenses?

    As long as you don’t butter your soldiers.

    alex222
    Free Member

    So can I have a cream egg for elevenses?
    As long as you don’t butter your soldiers.

    *Packs up bat and ball and heads for home

    molgrips
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    Jamie, you’re not meant to eat tons of meat. You’re meant to eat lots of veg and beans. And go easy on the nuts – I snacked on nuts a lot at first and it wiped out any fat loss. Limit yourself to about 50g a day or something.

    It will probably work, you just need to find out how to make it work for you.

    I now think that breakfast is the most important bit. If you have some fast carbs in the morning it writes off the whole day it seems. However if do well at breakfast then I can cheat a bit later in the day and it doesn’t have much of an effect.

    TheSouthernYeti
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    Mol – I do love it when you give out iDiet advice 🙂

    Was the run you did continuous?

    molgrips
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    Wtf you talking about yeti?

    TheSouthernYeti
    Free Member

    In other news, 23m09 for 5k last night, disappointed as I felt good at first but my knees ended up hurting still

    ?

    Have you been doing any single leg bodyweight exercises?

    Solo
    Free Member

    Calm down Grips.

    Remember, this is TSY’s wind-up thread.
    😉

    I now think that breakfast is the most important bit. If you have some fast carbs in the morning it writes off the whole day it seems

    Aye, theres something in that.

    You’ve sleep through the night and your body is running mostly on reserves, fat.
    It will continue to do this, until you eat.
    Eat something sugary and the insulin response will lock-out access to fat for fuel and you will use the sugar you’ve eaten, with excess going off to be stored as fat….

    Eat something low GI, then there will be a minimal insulin response and your body will continue to run mostly on fat and the food you’ve eaten.
    You will feel full for longer into the morning, probably get you to lunch time.

    TheSouthernYeti
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    Solo – what happens if you add in an hour or so of exercise prior to eating?

    emsz
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    I can see no place for bread/processed carbs in a nutrituous diet. No matter how good is tastes

    Oh please..If you’re going down the food is just fuel thing, then you’ve just become weird. I make all sorts of food, and if I want rice or pasta or bread or ice cream or chocolate tart or ANYTHING, then I eat it.

    TheSouthernYeti
    Free Member

    emsz – sometimes you eat nothing at all though? Is that right?

    emsz
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    Yep, but that’s because if I’m not hungry I won’t eat, haven’t had anything so far today, not really hungry still.

    (have just got up though 😳 )

    TheSouthernYeti
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    But haven’t you mentioned in the past that sometimes you restrict calories/eating on purpose? I was under the impression that you’re border line eating disorder, or certainly disordered eating?

    In which case, I’d encourage you to ignore every single bit of writing by us chunksters and get on with eating.

    Keva
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    it’s good to go hungry sometimes, going hungry feeds the soul 😉

    schrickvr6
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    I don’t know how many times I can read the same people saying the same things over and over and over and over…..

    ….but I’ll let you know when I find out.

    Solo
    Free Member

    Here goes !.

    I looked at idiet and decided it wasnt for me as I am not a pro athlete and I like my food, plus I simply do not have the time to cook what is needed.

    iDiet was not aimed at Pro / Elite Athletes.
    iDave handed out his advise to help portly, desk bound, Engineers like me and IT Bods ( ie. Stereotypical STW forumites ) to trim down.
    This is an important point to bare in mind
    😉

    Odly I am currently loosing weight without dieting or using a diet of any sort and still get to eat lots of yummy stuff. Oh and I feel great too.
    Whatever you are eating is your diet.

    I think if I was a pro athlete I would take a more scientific approach, but I am not, and want to enjoy life, so for now will continue to eat what I like (in moderation) and exercise
    iDave diet is not specifically designed for Pro Ahtletes
    😉

    Thats not to say some of the stuff above isn’t interesting, but because I’m not a pro athlete thers more to life for me.

    I’m not sure Pro Ahtletes are miserable or missing out on life.
    But then again, they’ve probably hired a good Coach and are exercising and eating according to a modern, well informed, specifically tailored plan, designed for them…Not the iDiet
    😉

    I also tried it for 2 weeks, ending last Friday.
    Stuck to it religiously

    Accept… that its suggested you give it 3 weeks.
    🙂

    Jamie – try carb depleted exercise.
    Is that possible ??.

    What, so we compare poo or something before the ride?
    😆

    On the plus side I feel much healthier, am definitely a bit slimmer and am generally sleeping better
    I can see no place for bread/processed carbs in a nutrituous diet. No matter how good is tastes.

    Me too !.
    😀

    Solo – what happens if you add in an hour or so of exercise prior to eating?
    My reading has indicated that low to moderate intensity exercise will be fuelled by your reserves, mostly body fat.
    What do you think TSY ?

    TheSouthernYeti
    Free Member

    It’s great ain’t it… I start these threads to talk the same rubbish with the same people.

    Although I am searching for a new star… sort of an X-Factor of STW… Solo’s come along way. Fingers crossed he’s drafted out a huge poem.

    Some people have definitely got potential…

    emsz
    Free Member

    Yeti,

    Yeah OK, a bit I suppose, and I’m concious of how much I eat, but I wouldn’t not have something in my diet becuase it has “no nutritional value” I want to eat nice things, and I make nice bread! LOL.

    Eating toast now and huge mug of tea…yummmy

    Edukator
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    So Molgrips calls me a tit in addition to prick and pillock while adding nothing as usual. Solo attempts sarcasm in an attempt to belittle. iDave accuses me of being incapable of changing my mind whilst refusing to consider changing his.

    Gluten then:

    Symptoms of a Gluten Allergy

    Upper repository tract problems (sustains, glue ear)
    Fatigue
    Chronic fatigue syndrome
    Mouth ulcers
    Anaemia
    Iron-deficiency anaemia
    Osteoporosis
    Weight loss
    Short stature in children
    Diarrhoea
    Constipation
    Abdominal bloating
    Crohn’s disease
    Diverticulitis
    Depression
    Attention and behavioral problems (in children and adults)
    Autism
    Skin problems
    Keratosis pilaris
    Asthma
    Irritability
    Wheat-Dependent Exercise-Induced Anaphylaxis

    Well I have none of those but can tick two on the list for pulses (which doesn’t stop me eating them from time to time). Most people don’t have gluten alergy , or diabetes or a nut alegy or… .

    TheSouthernYeti
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    See, thanks Solo.

    My thoughts are that as long as the intensity of the exercise is high it gets you leaner… you can push for 80+% of your max HR and you’ll lose weight if you ride hungry in the morning.

    What about my question regarding the definitive Paleo text?

    Emsz – I love bread too… could you serve me up some hot buns one day?

    Jamie
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    Well, this is all very predictable.

    Anyway:

    @Dave

    Sorry, I meant I have tried carb depletion exercise in the past for 2 weeks, as opposed to the 2 weeks last week. If you get my drift. Was on iPhone earlier, and think I managed to delete half a sentence .

    BruceWee
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    Oddly enough I can’t find out what the specifics of the iDave Diet are by searching the forum. All I can find are many many threads with people arguing about it.

    Can someone point me in the right direction or, to save me reading it, tell me if there is any difference between that and the type of weight loss program described in ‘Racing Weight Quick Start Guide’ by Matt Fitzgerald?

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