Labour Party problems

No. of days since last Labour suspension for being anti-jew: 0

If you fabcy getting a measure of the true nature of a lot of Corbyn supporters then go and check out their twitter feeds and Facebook pages on groups like ‘Red Labour’. It always makes for interesting reading

This morning they’re all unanimous in their support of Chris Williamson, denouncing his suspension with their usual paranoid mindless witterings about it being ‘centrist/moderate/Blairite ‘plot’ and interspersed with their usual casual antisemitism

If you fabcy getting a measure of the true nature of a lot of Corbyn supporters then go and check out their twitter feeds and Facebook pages on groups like ‘Red Labour’. It always makes for interesting reading

What does “a lot” mean, how many are you talking about here? You really need to stop reading shit like that as it is not representative.

If you fabcy getting a measure of the true nature of a lot of Corbyn supporters then go and check out their twitter feeds and Facebook pages on groups like ‘Red Labour’. It always makes for interesting reading

And there are plenty on the other side like Labour First who bang on about hard left conspiracies. This isn’t a one-sided problem. Maybe the idea of the labour party as a broad church has simply had it’s day? If some MPs really can’t bring themselves to support the wishes of members and the policies and leadership they support, then maybe they should leave and join Chukka’s lot. It won’t help to keep the tories out of power, but it will at least put an end to this ridiculous infighting.

Hmmm

"So sad to see AS in Labour" — Tory MP @HenrySmithUK
"What're you doing about Islamophobia in your party?" — @afneil
"I've never come across any Islamophobia … a party with a Muslim Home Sec cannot be accused of Islamophobia … @SayeedaWarsi has other motives…" #PoliticsLive

— Hicham Yezza (@HichamYezza) February 28, 2019

If some MPs really can’t bring themselves to support the wishes of members and the policies and leadership they support, then maybe they should leave and join Chukka’s lot.

What about Labour MPs arguing against another referendum… they are still welcome to stay? Yes?

What about Labour MPs arguing against another referendum… they are still welcome to stay?

Why woudn’t they be?

If some MPs really can’t bring themselves to support the wishes of members and the policies and leadership they support, then maybe they should leave…

Given that Labour lost its amendment yesterday, they are now therefore committed to their next step (as agreed by conference) of a second referendum. Are we all going to hold our collective breath until they actually do something concrete about putting that in motion?

Or will Jeremy suddenly remember thats there’s lots to be done on the allotment at this time of year, with the weather warming up, and he’ll sort something out when he gets back from sorting his courgettes and runner beans.? It’ll take him a few weeks but he’ll definitely get round to it by the 28th of March, or in the next few days after that. Honest.

BREAKING: @johnmcdonnellMP tells @peston that @UKLabour will put down an amendment calling for a second referendum as soon as the meaningful vote comes back, which could be next week.

Full interview 11.10pm @ITV #Peston pic.twitter.com/yVosoZw1hQ

— Peston (@itvpeston) February 27, 2019

Oh… the goalposts have moved already. That didn’t take long, did it?

And they accuse May of can-kicking?

I think I’ll call in at the bookies and put my house on Labour never tabling an amendment for a second referendum

Binners you’ve lost me. He said they’d put down an amendment at the first opportunity, or am I hearing things?

Yesterday, Labour put down an amendment that would give parliament a say on a Brexit deal the party could support, including a full customs union, stronger single market alignment and more robust protection for the environment and workers’ rights.

They said that if it was defeated (you’ll be surprised to hear that it was) they would go for a second referendum. Immediately afterwards McDonnell now says that they’ll now do it ‘as soon as the meaningful vote comes back>

They simply aren’t ever going to table an amendment calling for a second referendum. Thats been obvious for quite some time. Confirmed last night

It is the hope that kills you, isn’t it?

Seems the right time to have a vote by MPs to me… if that amendment for a public vote on the withdrawal agreement is passed… then MPs can vote to accept the agreement on the understanding that it goes to the public before being enacted… it now needs the Leave date to be changed as well though, obviously, as this is happening so late in the day…

…I don’t see MPs backing the ammendment though… far too many questions and too much planning to do for a referendum, and we Leave in one month. Recind A50 and stop the clock. Come back to talk about referendums, alternative deals, and elections, when there is time to do so.

[ is this the wrong thread ? ]

They said that if it was defeated (you’ll be surprised to hear that it was) they would go for a second referendum. Immediately afterwards McDonnell now says that they’ll now do it ‘as soon as the meaningful vote comes back

And that’s exactly what they’re doing. It’s an amendment to the legislation enacting brexit. The form of that amendment is dependent on the result of the vote on May’s deal. You can’t amend something that doesn’t exist yet.

And bringing this back to Labour, I suppose when the second referendum amendment fails (as it probably will), no doubt Corbyn will be at fault and it’ll be the result of some far left revolutionary masterplan?

Corbyn has shown the same commitment to his members’ call for another referendum that he did when campaigning for Remain in the last one. How much difference that has made to what has happened since 2015 is a long boring debate done to death in the other thread.

Corbyn has shown the same commitment to his members’ call for another referendum that he did when campaigning for Remain in the last one.

that is an abiguous statement !

I’ll start with ‘Sweet F/A’…

Binners you’ve lost me. He said they’d put down an amendment at the first opportunity, or am I hearing things?

Binners is in far too deep to ever admit that Corbyn is doing exactly what he wants. Apparently, his opponents are a cult, I guess that he is no student of irony.

Something for your third coffee of the morning, folks.

https://magazine.newstatesman.com/editions/com.progressivemediagroup.newstatesman.issue.NS201909/data/208554/index.html

Guardian have this take on how Labour might secure a majority for a 2nd ref given a straight vote on a 2nd ref wouldn’t pass especially if presented by Labour front bench

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/28/labour-moving-towards-plan-to-let-mays-brexit-deal-pass-if-it-faces-public-vote

Since 2016 the labour leadership has done everything in its power to facilitate the Tory’s Brexit. I don’t see them doing anything differently now. They’ll continue to play along so that we’re out on 29th March, even if its a No Deal Brexit. Its what Corbyn wanted from day one, and its what he wants now. And as we know, he doesn’t give a flying **** what anyone else thinks

There isn’t going to be a second referendum. There isn’t going to be anything from labour to delay or prevent Brexit, even if it end up, as looks increasingly likely, entirely on the terms of the ERG.

I think jezza is far more likely to try and 3 line whip his MPs to get Brexit through, than he is to table an amendment for a second referendum. If I’ll give him credit for anything its his consistency. He’s a hardcore brexiteer, has been from day one, and has done everything in his power to facilitate Brexit. Very effectively. Since he’s not changed his mind on anything since 1973 and he’s not about to start now. This will lead to the destruction of the labour party, obviously, but I can’t see him being too arsed about that really. Nothing else seems to intrude on Planet Jezza.

His legacy will be of the Labour leader who destroyed the labour party by sitting back and nodding through a rightwing coup that destroys all the social progress the labour party ever made, and establishes the UK as a neoliberal wet dream. A deregulated sweatshop tax haven.

Yay for socialism!

Well this is an interesting take…

https://labourlist.ohttps://labourlist.org/2019/03/siobhain-mcdonagh-links-anti-capitalism-to-antisemitism-in-labour/

Much happening this week, then?

No comrade. Nothing to see here. We’re just carrying on preparing for the revolution and generally being nice to everyone

Solidarity, comrade.

^beginning to sound like an Alexei Sayle script.

Speaking of which, whatever happened to Ernie? I miss him and his revolutionary fervour

Ernie-iphone by bin lid[/url], on Flickr

Coo! Now over 35 years’ young…
More recently – Alexei Sayle’s The Absence of Normal is on R4 – http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0002rjl

Much happening this week, then?

Not sure it’s new news but this just popped up on my BBC news page.

Possible equalities and hunan rights commission

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47482048

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47488047
Is Amber Rudd planning on a leap to the racist labour party 😉

Hah. If anyone’s shocked by Amber Rudd saying “coloured” they can’t have paid too much attention to her time as home secretary. Or maybe all that gets deleted when you resign to protect your equally racist boss and then return to the front bench 17 minutes later. Getting in a tizz because she said the wrong word, after Windrush… no, not after, because it’s still happening

I don’t think any party that has Boris Johnson in it (as a potential leader, no less) can’t really make any claims about not being racist

Then again, the fact that both our main political parties are now openly racist is probably an appropriate comment on this shitty Brexit country

I don’t think any party that has Boris Johnson in it (as a potential leader, no less) can’t really make any claims about not being racist

They had an inquiry after his last outburst in the papers and found he was just being Boris, the majority of the press seem to have no issue letting him off his good ol plain speaking racism. Meanwhile the NI Minister is making sure her next visit is going to be “fun”

Anyone interested in what’s really going on with labour and supposed anti-semitism read on…

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/truth-about-seumas-milne-jeremy-corbyn-and-new-mccarthyism

An interesting choice of source.

What’s interesting about it?

Edit: I see now after some quick googling. It’s pretty irrelevant really. Given the bias of the rightwing press against Corbyn all this does is redress the balance. A quick glance at some of the other articles seems to indicate that the quality of journalism on display here is of an order of magnitude higher and more trustworthy than the likes of the Daily Mail. As an example, here’s another one, by none other than rightwing commentator Peter Oborne.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/tom-bower-book-dangerous-hero-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-truth

I heard a rather disturbing story yesterday about a Labour MP. I’m not going into details, but I was told far more than I’m putting here from 3 of the Club members.
The MP was asked for support with a Sports Clubs application for a grant. The MP replied back ‘ sorry, I cannot support your Club as you do not represent the demographics of the area you are located.

What was inferred was that the Club was in an area that was predominantly populated by non-white people, yet the Club was mainly white, however, they are open to anyone who wants to take part. This isnt an elite golf / other club, it is a grass roots sport, where anyone, of any age / background are welcomed and can take part. What one Member thought was being brought up was their support for a Jewish Girls School, who hold regular sessions at the clubhouse, even though at all other times anyone can attend.
If it is true, and I have no reason to disbelieve the people who told me, it conforms what some of the red tops have been saying about this MP.

If you want to know whether there’s a problem with antisemitism in the Labour Party then just take even the most cursory glance at the hardcore Corbynite groups on Twitter

It’s not a product of the right-wing press, no matter what the typically paranoid bunker-mentality of the left would have you believe. It’s very real, and it’s disgusting

But these are the people Jezza has been waving placards with for decades so he’s happy to pretend it’s not happening. A bit like Brexit

I see climate change is his latest distraction technique. When he’s not on the allotment.

Can you share some examples binners? This is not a challenge for you to be proved wrong, I just want to see examples as I’m not on twitter.

I see climate change is his latest distraction technique. When he’s not on the allotment.

Well that guarantees my vote. He’d be the only politician apart from Caroline Lucas giving it the priority it deserves. Weird you describe it as a distraction though unless you think trade policy is more important.