Jeremy Corbyn

See! You can do it after all.

Difficult decision on giving Corbyn back the parliamentary whip today. Should we talk about that, or what Binners had for breakfast?

Can’t we talk about sixth formers, allotments and the Life of Brian?

It seems the cult members are determined to make Starmers decision for him.

A quick look on social media shows that Jeremy’s supporters have decided to celebrate his readmission to the party by mounting a concerted attack on Margaret Hodge and Luciana Berger, who both just happen to be Jewish. Margaret Hodge has said she’ll resign if Corbyn is reinstated this morning. I doubt she’ll be alone.

Classy. And tells you everything you need to know about the antisemitism of those on the left of the labour party which Corbyn has still not apologised for.

Her asseesment of the situation seems pretty bang on to me

I simply cannot comprehend why it is acceptable for Corbyn to be a Labour MP if he thinks antisemitism is exaggerated and a political attack, refuses to apologise, never takes responsibility for his actions & rejects the findings of the EHRC report. Ridiculous.

— Margaret Hodge (@margarethodge) November 17, 2020

“Once again we find ourselves having to remind the Labour party that Jeremy Corbyn is not the victim of Labour antisemitism – Jewish members are”

So much for Jeremy shuffling off to spend more time with his broad beans? It seems he’s still pretty committed to seeing how much more damage he can do to the labour party. He made it unelectable and seems he wants to keep it that way. I’ve not seen the Tory press today but I’m sure they’re gleefully having a field day with this. The gift of Magic Grandad just keeps on giving.

Him and his bunker-dwelling, self-absorbed, sixth form supporters will be spending today gift-wrapping Boris another ‘get out of jail free’ card.

It’s a terrible indictment of the education system. Imagine a poor soul who did not make it into the sixth form is condemned for the rest of their life banging on about sixth formers, posting sixth formish python humour, ageism (grandad), racism (‘Jeremy, peace be upon him’), loves Griggs and hates organic food, a chip butty on both shoulders, whilst sucking up to the rich and privileged. I support comprehensive education so that this terribly sad state of affairs doesn’t repeat.

We’re still talking about me then? To avoid addressing the actual subject of the thread?

Right. OK

We really do need to change the thread title

Note that Jewish voice for labour have always supported Corbyn and still do. the jewish membership of labour is not monolithic and its very interesting how the dissenting voices – those who do not condemn Corbyn are rarely quoted

Hodge and Berger are both poisonous individuals

So does Margaret Hodge not believe in a truly independent complaints system either then? Seems like she’s not accepting all the reports recommendations.

Magic grandad’s record includes saving a Jewish cemetary Margaret Hodge’s council were selling off to developers – the bastard

pic.twitter.com/X9GF6gMQ5s

— MRB (@martin_bulmanMR) November 17, 2020

That would be BNP favourite Margaret Hodge

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2007/may/27/thefarright.communities

The British National Party has supported Margaret Hodge in calling for British-born families to take priority over immigrants in the queue for council homes.
They have seized on the Labour MP’s comments as a vindication of its extremist policies. ‘Labour MP Margaret Hodge deserves a word of compliment from the BNP for her efforts to raise the thorny issue of social housing for native Britons, an issue that has been in our manifesto for years,’ the far right party says on its website. ‘Britain is full and there is no more room for any economic migrants, whatever language they speak, what religion they practice and what they look like.’

Note that Jewish voice for labour have always supported Corbyn

Jon Lansman (founder of momentum and a Jewish supporter of Corbyn ) has called JVL “an organisation that is tiny and has no real connection  with the Jewish community at all” and Marie van der Zyl (president of the board of deputies of British Jews ) has referred to them as “representative of no ones views but their own” I don’t think it’s a secret that they (JVL) are a front for a pretty robust Corbyn support organisation is it?

Identity politics is a great distraction from class politics. Look how debates get mired by it often with people not knowing the difference between zionism, semitism, apartheid let alone Balfour, 1948, 1967, Nation State and so on. That’s why it’s very convenient for the maintenance of the status quo. Identity politics is great for shutting down debates: you’re challenging my lived experience, I’m a this and therefore, you’re a that and therefore, ad hominems galore, and the best bit is you don’t need any evidence.
Corbyn was weak and lacking in vision not to understand the forces that were up against him. He’s given his apology and is now hamstrung. LP membership will now spend years squabbling over resolutions, this Leader against that Leader, passing motions on the conference floor, and being completely ineffectual. All part of the plan.

I’m not sure about the credibility of JVL but there are numerous Jewish people who support Corbyn but they get shouted down or ignored or discredited.

Are we saying that not all Jewish people think in the same way, amazing.

Magic grandad’s record includes saving a Jewish cemetary Margaret Hodge’s council were selling off to developers – the bastard

that the West London Synagogue had already agreed to sell to property developers…for balance, like.

Could you not find anyone other than Margaret Hodge to quote? Not exactly the paragon of ethical and political probity, however much she likes to present herself as the champion of the downtrodden.

How would ‘white old man’s voice for Labour’ go down?

I’ve said this before – but this is all so depressing. As a non-factional member of the Labour Party holding local office it’s really tiring and distracting from the real business.

Both sides of the argument are obsessed with it to the point that it dominates or provides an undercurrent to almost all discussions.

We have a dangerously incompetent government and focus of opposition is elsewhere.

SKS visits a synagogue on a day to promote good deeds and inter faith charity etc.

Obviously, the sewer overflows…

Meanwhile, Keir visited a local synagogue on 15 November, let’s see what people following the Labour Party Facebook have to say: pic.twitter.com/g0JbU0pj2l

— . (@twlldun) November 18, 2020

Hands up if you are in the Corbyn Cult?

No, nobody?

The only cultist is the anti Corbyn Binners. I imagine his basement walls to be covered in pics of corbz, we know he keeps a stock of pics on his cpu!

Most of the supposed Corbyn cultists on here* have balanced opinions on him and see that he wasnt up to the job but also see he has been treated badly by his own party and the media. I have said numerous times that I wanted Corbyn out after he lost to TM (If you lose to TM then you really cant win) & he would have been out if it hadn’t been for the ridiculous chicken coup that strengthened his hand.

I support Starmer and hope he wins the next election.

*Twitter is a different place

Obviously, the sewer overflows…

Confirming that criticism of zionism, the actions of the Israeli government, and defence of the Palestinians are indeed equated with anti-semitism. Well done.

And if anyone thinks Margaret Hodge is an impartial critic of Corbyn on the subject of AS then you should possibly do a tiny bit of research. The party will be well shot of her.

equated with anti-semitism.

I’m hoping you skim read that twitter thread Dazh. There are plenty of examples of naked antisemitism in the responses clipped from Facebook in it. Avoiding the “comments” on Facebook is wise though.

I’m hoping you skim read that twitter thread Dazh.

I’m not at all saying there are not examples of AS on that thread, but there are also lots of comments being portrayed as AS which are criticisms of Israel. Until we separate the two any comments about sewers are stupid. That was my point.

I’m hoping you skim read that twitter thread Dazh.

likewise – tweets saying israeli billionaires were behind starmer’s election as leader are very much antisemitic and that should not need spelling out. But probably does. And those that play to different tropes are at very best whataboutery. Come on.

And that clipping on Hodge? She was cross because she lost a debate? Okay. You’ll remember that her researcher Stephen Twigg named in the clip was the guy who went on to unseat Portillo. What a loser…

That Hodge rant reported on from WAY back on the day… she was 100% right though, wasn’t she… Labour kicked the Tories out by ignoring Corbyn and the crowd at that debate as regards clause four and modernisation.

NEWS : Corbyn not getting the parliamentary whip back… not sure that’s the right move… also don’t know what the right move is.

Are we all appreciating the irony of this political decision?

What? Of politicians making political decisions?

Irony? The system that the EHRC has said is unfit for purpose produces a judgement to prove that it’s unfit for purpose?

What? Of politicians making political decisions?

No. The leadership was criticised in the EHCR report for political interference in its handling of complaints. Subsequently, an NEC disciplinary investigation gave Corbyn a slap on the wrist following his unfortunate comments, but the new leadership decided it didn’t like the outcome.

NEWS : Corbyn not getting the parliamentary whip back… not sure that’s the right move… also don’t know what the right move is.

Good move? There aren’t any, but it might be the least worst option.

No. The leadership was criticised in the EHCR report for political interference in its handling of complaints. Subsequently, an NEC disciplinary investigation gave Corbyn a slap on the wrist following his unfortunate comments, but the new leadership decided it didn’t like the outcome.

What would have been a less ironic thing to have done?

What would have been a less ironic thing to have done?

My view is that Corbyn’s actions either deserve expulsion or they don’t. Either way, it’s difficult to see a justification on the whip that is at odds with the findings of a disciplinary hearing.

also don’t know what the right move is.

The right move is to defend the party against unjustified accusations, and investigate and act on those that are justified. Starmer, and Corbyn before him did the latter, but unfortunately not the former.

The Israeli lobby have successfully portrayed the entire labour party as anti-semitic. Starmer has just shown that he agrees with them. When he should be talking about climate change and poverty, he’s going to spend the rest of his leadership being attacked for failing to stand up for party members who have been unjustifiably labelled as racists. That seems like an odd way to unify the party and win an election if you ask me.

The Guardian writes lots about Labour donors:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/08/former-labour-donors-returning-to-party-under-keir-starmer-jeremy-corbyn

it’s difficult to see a justification on the whip that is at odds with the findings of a disciplinary hearing

A disciplinary hearing from a set-up that the EHCR deemed unfit for purpose, advised be disbanded and replaced with an independent system more fitting for an organisation like the labour party.

They could have waited for that independent, impartial system to be established but went ahead and rushed a judgement through on Corbyn that concluded that – surprise, surprise – everything is just tickety-boo.

They made a political decision. So Starmer did the same.

Given Corbyns non-apology and usual total absence of even a shred of contrition, he couldn’t really do owt else, really

The Israeli lobby have successfully portrayed the entire labour party as anti-semitic.

What utter twoddle

Suggesting that it’s the Jews controlling everything is obviously anti semitic, but we have reached a point now where even to suggest that the influence of a pro-israel lobby in the labour party might not sit well with the party’s supposed commitment to human rights is considered anti semitic.

Again, one third of the shadow cabinet are members of an avowedly pro Israel lobby group – why?

And half the people posting the genuinely AS stuff are probably trolls and/or bots. The ones that are real should be either prosecuted and/or kicked off twitter/out of the labour party if they are members. I highly doubt many of them are.

It must have been a tough one for SKS, he was a thorn in the side of Labour when they were in power, defying the whip 428 times, it’s pretty clear he had fundamental issues with that Government, and will likely have the same issues with a potential Starmer lead Government, he’s not exactly a team player, and has that ‘all or nothing’ view of politics so many of his core have. There’s a certain irony perhaps in the way he’s been effectively de-selected, for not singing from the hymn sheet.

Politically, it’s probably the least worst option for SKS, thankfully for him, there isn’t currently a credible left-wing UKIP ready to welcome voters disillusioned that their chosen Party isn’t as fundamentalist as they’d like. There are a couple of Socialist Parties who I’m sure would love to have him, but they’re tiny.

There’s still a long time until the next election to clear Labour of the ghost of Corbyn, I’m sure the likes of Momentum will try to cause all sorts of mischief to have him readmitted, but it won’t work.

he was a thorn in the side of Labour when they were in power, defying the whip 428 time

Glad I’m not the only one seeing the irony on the MP who has defied the party whip more times than any other (by a country mile) getting huffy because it’s now been withdrawn.

It was only because Blair seemed to regard him (correctly) as an amusing, ineffective little oddball and just ignored him that he hadn’t had it withdrawn years ago.