Jeremy Corbyn

Looks very anti business

Some stuff shouldn’t be a business, imo.

Interesing about the nationalised competitor. I always thought this would be a good way to achieve the aim but without the negative aspects of nationalised industry.

Anything that involves major re-nationalisation is clearly anti business

No it isnt. Sorting out the mess that is Southern Rail for example would be beneficial to many businesses since their staff would actually be able to get to work.

Exclusive !!!!!

draft copy of Tory manifesto leaked!!!

(its been a slow morning)

😆 @kimbers.

Oooh a word search

Based on the Guardians numbers that is going to cost £10billion a year, alone

And what is it costing today? You know most of the current loans won’t be paid back for years if at all don’t you?

It is still tax payers money paying for students it is just hidden in a massive loan pool.

Plenty in there to please most people deluded lefties on here you would think

I’m loving fans of Brexit saying that Labours plans are economically risky

Plenty in there to please deluded lefties on here you would think

What do you not like?

I’m wondering if anyone has actually costed renationalisation of rail/utilities/anything else?

Article 1 protocol 1 of ECHR prevents governments seizing property without compensation, so how much money are the government going to hand to already rich people in order to take these things back?

Rail franchises have time limits. No compensation required, just wait ’till they end.

In the power market, idea seems to be to introduce (local) public sector competitors, rather than buy back existing firms. No idea quite how this will work, but doesn’t look to need compensation.

Mail would mean buying back shares.

so how much money are the government going to hand to already rich people in order to take these things back?

depends we already hand the rail operators £bns a year in subsidies including Branson, french , german, japanese taxpayers etc

Its not complete renationalisation- the model being proposed is similar to how the east coast mainline was run (at a profit) after stagecoach? screwed it up
so just wait till the franchises end ?

how much money are the government going to hand to already rich people in order to take these things back?

I’d imagine buying a rail operator with no franchise could be pretty cheap, no?

I’m wondering if anyone has actually costed renationalisation of rail/utilities/anything else?

They probably pluck that shit right out of thin air.

Still, positive news on port development.

Including the well known coastal city of Birmingham.

😐

I’d imagine buying a rail operator with no franchise could be pretty cheap, no?

Rail operators don’t own the trains, you want them, you’ve got to buy them back off the ROSCO

Or lease them as now whilst building a load of new ones. New units will keep the Roscos honest.

Article 1 protocol 1 of ECHR prevents governments seizing property without compensation

Leaving aside the problems pointed out with your misrepresentation already. They could borrow a policy from the Maybot and exit the ECHR.

Just harking back to the squabble over Marx on the earlier pages, THIS Youtube links is only 8-9 minutes and is a worthwhile and fairly balanced examination of Marx’s ideas and where they have relevance today.

just watched it and it’s just as obvious that that system won’t work in the real world.

It seems to me the best way forward is to encourage some sort of shared ownership within companies – like Waitrose/John Lewis or even more so. Everyone seems pretty happy working there.

Give companies tax advantages to structure themselves like that.

I’m loving fans of Brexit saying that Labours plans are economically risky

a lot more risky than brexit, by a long way.

just watched it and it’s just as obvious that that system won’t work in the real world.

Have you listened to it? Or just watched it? There is no “system” proposed or discussed in the video.

Including the well known coastal city of Birmingham.

its to do with the Grand Union redevlopment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icknield_Port_Loop

which has been kicking about for a while, tho i think the faesibility study will not get far!

as a scientist who lives in milton keynes, works in london and collabrorates with labs in oxford and cambridge the Science Vale Transport Arc is something im ver keen on

Is Corbyn for or against Brexit now? I’ve lost track.

TurnerGuy – Member
a lot more risky than brexit, by a long way.

care to quantify that or is it just a feeling

definitely not riskier than leaving the worlds largest trading block that we joined as the sick man of europe 🙄

Thanks, Kimbers. Makes sense as canals.

Same as May

a lot more risky than brexit, by a long way.

You should have a read about Brexit and the implications, it’s interesting in a “WTF are we thinking?” kind of way.

corroded – Member

Is Corbyn for or against Brexit now? I’ve lost track. My take on that is that he doesn’t like the undemocratic aspects of the current EU, but is in favour of a union of European countries.

I believe he genuinely decided that staying and reforming was the better option at the referendum, but that might be me being naive.

It’s become very complicated since the referendum, as it showed that many core labour voters had voted for brexit. I don’t think they’ve handled it very well, but it’s also difficult to say exactly what they should have done in order to attract the most GE votes.

And remember, we would be in control of all these changes so can halt them/modify them to get what is required. No pesky ‘unelected’ EU ‘bureaucrats’ taking all our money and telling us what to do.

A Brexiters dream (although missing any immigrants to blame)

BrImmingham Flashy

It’s all well and good liking the manifesto. Let’s say it has some appeal to those outside labours core vote. But at the moment its only words on paper, it would have to be delivered along with the 1,000’s of other matters relating to government. How many voters believe Corbyn and his team are capable of all this ? I guess we’ll find out on June 8th

How many voters believe Corbyn and his team are capable of all this ?

if only he had Mays track record….

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/theresa-mays-record-home-secretary-isnt-reassuring/#

Maybot will still win though

But at the moment its only words on paper

Well not quite.

It tells us that’s what they WANT to do. They want to make the country a better place with all these social policies. Even if they don’t manage it, they still want to.

The alternative is a government that apparently wants to asset-strip the country to keep taxes down and let rich people do the rest of us over.

But at the moment its only words on paper, it would have to be delivered along with the 1,000’s of other matters relating to government. How many voters believe Corbyn and his team are capable of all this ?

All manifestos are just words on paper. The MPs don’t actually do all of the work involved so whether Labour or Conservative things gets done by those in civil service etc,.

As molgrips says, the intent is key here and shows how they want it to be even if they don’t fully get there.

dragon – Member

Based on the Guardians numbers that is going to cost £10billion a year, alone.

Funding for student loans, today, is done entirely by the state- the SLC does its borrowing at arms length through the government. Then in 30 years time (or less) at least half of the loan book (and growing fast) is written off or sold off for a fraction of its supposed value.

The £10bn figure manages to ignore both of these facts. It seems a fairly true cost but ignores the current cost, which is not how maths works.

gofasterstripes – Member
Where I live near the German/Dutch border, we’re absolutely flooded with brand new trains, new track, new stations and even new pedestrian bridges over the tracks. Where’s this money all coming from?

From the profits arriva makes?[/quote]

Yes, back in the UK 😛

Who thinks the utilities, mail and railways should be nationalised then?

Yep on those. Especially utilities. The market doesn’t work, is complicated and effectively an oligopoly.

I’m happy paying more to subside those that don’t do very well out of the ‘market’ – the vulnerable and old etc.

We really don’t need to be swapping all the time. It’s a waste of time and effort to benefit those that can be bothered that can actually afford to pay a bit more.

For those claiming nationalised industries don’t innovate – are you aware the post office invented one of the first computers in the 40s?

the post office invented one of the first computers in the 40s?

If you’re referring to Colossus, there were some rather more pressing needs around at the time than delivering letters. PORS more civilian developments came later.

It was based on work he did whilst at the post office though.

The alternative is a government that apparently wants to asset-strip the country to keep taxes down and let rich people do the rest of us over.

Sounds like Labour under Blair and Brown – gold reserves, anyone?

For those claiming nationalised industries don’t innovate – are you aware the post office invented one of the first computers in the 40s?

Babbage invented one of the world’s first computers in the 1800’s, plenty of individuals invent things while working for large companies, which often get put to one side because there’s no use that the invention can be put to, or the monolithic management can see no use, so it ends up going to a private company that has the foresight to see a use.
I am old enough to remember when many industries were nationalised, and they were hopelessly inefficient due to the sclerotic nature of the management, would anyone like to buy an Austin Alegro? How about waiting months to have a telephone installed, and I’m loving the Rose-tinted view that people have of the nationalised railway system.
Then there were all the strikes, only being able to work so many hours a day or week, because the power would go off, and you can’t do artwork or printing in the dark with no power, and being told you can’t do your job because some union high-up with a swanky car and house says you can’t, because then you’d be strike-breaking, and you never agreed to being in a union, but if you didn’t join the firm would be blacked and you’d be out of a job, and you aren’t being paid anyway…
I have a seriously jaundiced view of what some people think was some sort of golden age. 🙄