Jeremy Corbyn

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In other good news for Labour the Tories are going to give UKIP a pretty clear run at Labour in the Stoke by-election by focusing on Copeland. Clearly a degree of smugness from me as when I posted of a UKIP threat to Labour in the North a few years back I was ridiculed here. Tories so confident they are not challenging in a winable seat. Strategic move threatens Labour in other seats the Tories can’t win, let UKIP take Labour down there.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tories-write-off-stoke-by-election-as-they-fear-awkward-defeat-party-sources-say_uk_588108f5e4b0b8867de7372b?utm_hp_ref=uk

TBH I think that is pretty pathetic by the Tories. The main 3 parties should be fighting ever seat on mainland UK.

In other good news for Labour the Tories are going to give UKIP a pretty clear run at Labour in the Stoke by-election by focusing on Copeland

Makes sense – no point having two nutjobs run for the same seat.

DrJ see my post above re the sources, mostly direct from the man’s mouth. Feel free to give me your interpretation of my list.

My interpretation of your list is that it’s #alternativefacts that have already been shown to be falsehoods a million times. Period.

It’s impossible to control immigration being in the EU, so it’s been going very badly. Tories proved you can’t control immigration inside the EU and then we voted Leave.

I see. How has the reduction of non-EU immigration been going? Figures plummeting, I suppose?

TBH I think that is pretty pathetic by the Tories. The main 3 parties should be fighting ever seat on mainland UK.

…and in NI, IMHO.

However, I understand why they’ve done it.

On the most important issues at the moment UKIP and Tory party is pretty much the same. The Hard Brexit just announced by the Maybot comes straight out of a UKIP manifesto.

UKIP wants to privatise the NHS. The Tory’s do too, they just don’t/can’t say so.

Can you envisage a major present Tory policy which UKIP wouldn’t support? So to all intents and purposes, they’ll have a mother Tory MP in all but name. In fact he’s more inline with present tory policy than someone like Anna Sourby or Nicky Morgan.

And of course its yet another nail in the coffin of the Labour Party

Clearly a degree of smugness from me as when I posted of a UKIP threat to Labour in the North a few years back I was ridiculed here.

Not by me. Its probably the only issue on which I’ve constantly agreed with you. The writing has been on the wall about losing seats to UKIP since the Middleton Byelection

have already been shown to be falsehoods a million times.

Well, that is a nice round number for someone claiming to be on the side of truth.

The Tory’s do too,

Do they ? Or do you just want them to, whist they twiddle with the ends of their moustaches, and make pantomime villain noises ?

In the meantime, the conservatives are now more trusted on the NHS than Labour are.

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On the most important issues at the moment UKIP and Tory party is pretty much the same.

I get that, but they really shouldn’t be. There are plenty of EU supporting, One Nation tories, who don’t align with UKIP at all. To my mind the Tories caving in to UKIP is the equivalent of Labour caving in to the Momentum / Socialist Worker lot. Looks bad for both parties.

Can the Lib Dems start rising from the ashes? (I doubt it with their awful wet leader, but you never know.)

My interpretation of your list is that it’s #alternativefacts that have already been shown to be falsehoods a million times. Period.

Let’s start with McDonnell, he’s on video saying he’s a Marxist
Ditto Corbyn on NATO and his suggestion of subs with no nuclear missiles
Video of Corbyn calling Hezbollah friends whilst hosting them at Westminster, a massive PR gain for them
Quote from another MP in Commons speaking about the IRA and Labour leadership

Binners it’s essential that the NHS works better with Private Care/Insurers. That’s how the other European services work. Labour where going to “save our NHS” with an extra £2bn pa in 2015. That’s a joke claim, £2bn doesn’t even scratch the surface os what’s required

Labour will lose both these seats. Its just a case of how heavily

All the Tories need to do in Copelend is repeat all the statements by CND supporting Corbyn about the nuclear industry. Which is basically what the entire local economy is dependent on. Given his decades of hostility, even if he states he now supports it, nobody will believe him.

Just one more example of his decades of making daft statements, and taking ridiculous sixth-former-esque positions now making him, and by extension the whole labour party, electorally toxic.

If he shows his face up there during the campaign, it’ll lead to a huge Tory majority. I bet the local candidate will be pleading with central office for Corbyn not to get involved in any way. Not that it’ll make much difference. The damage is already done

“have already been shown to be falsehoods a million times.”

Well, that is a nice round number for someone claiming to be on the side of truth.

Have someone explain it to you.

Sorry jams, I’m not playing your silly game – making stuff up, snipping context, misquoting, just to bog down discussion on terrain distant from what’s actually important.

A quick google brings up this Tory literature. He’s already done their job for them in Copeland….

A quick google brings up this Tory literature. He’s already done their job for them in Copeland….

Considering most of the activity at Sellafield is focused on decommissioning then they might agree with him. Sellafield hasn’t generated power for decades and even then it was mainly to manufacture plutonium for polaris and trident, which they haven’t done now for quite some time.

Thats neither here nor there. My dad spent his life as a BNFL engineer, so I know pretty well what people think. I spent loads of time up there with him. And the local population (the voters – remember them?) solidly support the biggest employer in the area. As would you if you lived up there. If you turned up in places like Whitehaven with some ‘close down the nuclear industry’ nonsense, as Jeremy has done for decades, you’d get lynched!

Theres also the small mater of the submarine manufacture just down the coast at Barrow. Another massive employer in the area

Have a read of that article I’ve linked mate. Its about the proposed new plant up there, which would guarantee 20,000 jobs. Which has massive support in the area, but the messiah won’t actually back.

I’d put my house on it going Tory. Another previously rock solid Labour seat sacrificed at the alter of Corbyn’s juvenile, detached-from-reality sixth form politics

I guess the thing about having a national policy is that it might not play well in certain constituencies. It’s better that than chopping and changing policy before each by-election though.

Can someone confirm closing Nuclear Power stations is Labour policy?

I doubt it.

It isn’t.

But when did that ever matter to him? This is Corbyn being Corbyn. Remember when he was asked to back Trident, because that is official party policy (the unions made sure of that!)? But he wouldn’t, because he couldn’t, as he’s personally opposed it for decades?

So you had the total farce of the Labour leader stood at the despatch box, refusing to endorse official labour party policy. Thus rendering himself an absolute laughing stock!

Well this is just a rerun of that. If he opposes it, he’s ****ed! As pretty much the entire local population (you know them…. the voters?) disagrees with him. And if he comes out now and supports it, then he just looks ridiculous, given his previous statements, and nobody would believe him anyway.

Thats what you get for unthinkingly spending decades playing to the sixth form gallery, and advocating policies that don’t survive contact with the real world, and are massively unpopular (with good reason) with most voters

making stuff up, snipping context, misquoting

DrJ. See my list. All nailed on facts. It was a responce to an earlier question.

So you had the total farce of the Labour leader stood at the despatch box, refusing to endorse official labour party policy. Thus rendering himself an absolute laughing stock! and massive electoral asset to the Tories/UKIP/Lib Dems

Nuclear. No it’s not Party Policy but it is Corbyn’s personal belief. As such it’s reasonable to assume Corbyn might seek to change Party policy going forward. Look at his EU stance, he was an anti-EU campaigner for decades, then in theory backed Remain but look what happened in the Referendum ( 🙂 )

DrJ the Labour Party and it’s supporters are going to have to have some answers even if you don’t. There will be a total Tsunami of this coming JC/Labour’s way once the Tory election machine turns its fire on Labour in the run-up to 2020 GE. Youtube is a wonderful asset today, hours of footage to cut together to show the JC who voted against his own party 500 times

Jamb you were asked for policies not random things. ie J.M being a Marxist is not a policy.

Oh, if you want policies, I’m sure that there are a couple on Article 50 and the Single Market here:

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Alongside it being obvious that he can’t even manage a 3 line whip of the Cabinet Of
None Of The Talents.

Oh and some empty, meaningless phrases like “Tory Brexit”.

“Would Labour do… ?”

“But teh Tories”

“No, what would Labour do in this case ? “

“But teh Tories!!”

Well given that the government had a bit of a hiccup with their brexit agenda yesterday, the Maybot must have been mightily relieved to have a much easier day at the office today, as Jezza reached new levels of total ineptitude.

He started by offering condolences to the family of the police officer who was killed in Northern Ireland yesterday. A nice gesture. Apart from the fact that he’s still alive.

They were reporting afterwards that Labour MP’s were walking out in disgust at the worst yet of his totally ineffectual and blundering keystone cops PMQ’a performances

He’s obviously had a spot of media coaching though, as he used the phrase ‘bargain basement tax haven’ approximately 974 times. I think the Maybot actually yawned when he got to 900.

Ed Miliband asked a question to huge cheers. He now looks like Churchill compared to the present ‘leader of the opposition’

Giving his condolences for their loss, to the family of a police officer currently recovering in hospital was not, I would guess, a high point in Jezza’s stellar career.

Ed Miliband asked a question to huge cheers. He now looks like Churchill compared to the present ‘leader of the opposition’

It does make you wonder why he carries on with this. I’m not sure that labour MPs (assuming it’s them not the tories) cheering their former leader is a particularly good idea though. They’re sticking two fingers up to the membership, and come the day that Corbyn decides to put an end to this silly situation, bridges will have to be built. I have almost zero faith in the PLP to be able to do this, and this sort of behaviour pretty much guarantees that they’ll lurch from this crisis to a new one with some other poor sod in the firing line.

Giving his condolences for their loss, to the family of a police officer currently recovering in hospital was not, I would guess, a high point in Jezza’s stellar career.

Indeed I was gobsmacked (edit saw binners mentioned that too of course)

Watched it live today (always a good use of 30-40 mins over lunch). He has gone from trying the academic studiousness of a University lecturer reading out emails/letters from citizens to now just being very very shouty. The problem is even if he does have a good point to make May has so much ammunition about him and the party it’s massively one sided.

DrJ. See my list. All nailed on facts.

Not just nailed on facts, but jambafacts!

Indeed DrJ. One and the same.

From Guido Fawkes. It’s so crazy I struggle to believe it’s true 😯

Labour have selected an ardent Remainer who backed Turkey joining the EU as their candidate in the Stoke-on-Trent by-election. Gareth Snell, a councillor who used to work in Tristram Hunt’s office, was the most vocal Remainer on the final shortlist. He has tweeted dozens of times about his opposition to Brexit, calling it a “massive pile of sh*t” and tweeting in support of Turkish membership of the EU. That sound you can hear is Paul Nuttall celebrating…

There are just no words for how dumb that is.

Corbyn is an IRA supporting friend of Hamas –

Labourfact!

So Labour have put an anti-Corbyn Remainer up for Stoke?
So if he loses/wins, who takes the blame/credit?
I’m so confused.

BTW It’s not surprising this thread is full of Guido Fawkes stuff. The posters on there share a very similar MO to many on here.

Heres an interesting question. If Corbyn is feted constantly by ‘The Membership’ for being a ‘Conviction Politician’ does this make Owen Smith one? 😆

Now now Cranberry let me correct that for you

Corbyn is an IRA supporting friend of Hamas –

Labourfact!

#Jambyfact

This is what his colleagues are calling him. The Tories are going to be a lot tougher

colleagues

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Heres an interesting question. If Corbyn is feted constantly by ‘The Membership’ for being a ‘Conviction Politician’ does this make Owen Smith one?

He’s reiterating comments he made last summer, and given the timing, it’s difficult to believe that he’s not just posturing. That said, to give him his due, he’s been consistently pro-European.

A new rebellion is building I see. This one might actually see him off. Surely even Corbyn would struggle to justify staying in post if he lost two shadow cabinets in the space of a year?

If the whips, who are responsible for ensuring party discipline, are revolting you definitely have a problem.

There is a general problem for MPs in remain areas though – if they vote for article 50 they will face censure from their electorate, but to vote against the white paper is to vote against democracy. I could well understand them deciding to abstain in this situation – say that they cannot in good conscience vote to trigger Art 50, but will not seek to frustrate the democratic will of the country.

Corbyn should have made it a free vote. Let members represent the will of their voters (or not) Labour really is **** over this. Who’d want the top job now?

Shadow home secretary Diane Abbott said voting against the bill would “be very undermining of democracy”.

“MPs voted for a referendum, there was an extraordinary high turn out – 72% – 17m people voted to leave. Many of them in some of our poorest areas,” she told the BBC.

“How would it look if a bunch of politicians and commentators in London turned round and said: ‘We know you voted to leave but we’re just going to ignore you?'”

Of course, pandering to the most ignorant and racist sections of society is the right way to do things. Fortunately I’ve always disliked the woman.

If he offered a free vote he’d just be accused of not showing any leadership.