James Bulgers killers. Some questions.

Don't believe I am, no.

northwind how do you know what they did or did'nt do ?

TandemJeremy – Member

Chewk – crime falls with increasing prosperity so I would expect the next set of stats to show a rise crimes rises in recessions- and the drop is far greater than any rise in population – 40% down from the peak in the early 90s.

Hhhhmmm … TJ is sending coded message that the next govt will be in trouble. LOL!

Why does the mother have any right to know the new identity of the killers?

Because the killers owe her when they murdered her son and they owe her until she forgives them.

Do you really think all this press fuss is helping her?

If she has not forgiven the killers then it make no difference.

If she has made peace with herself by forgiving the killers then I see no difference too, as the killers' heinous crime has now bore fruit on themselves.

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"northwind how do you know what they did or did'nt do ?"

How do you or Mikertroid? I have no special knowledge, just what was reported. Court reports stated batteries were found at the scene, and it was one of the details that helped to break Robert Thompson's denials, he said that Jon Venables threw them into Bulger's face. Most reports say they were placed in his mouth, some made that part of the alelged "child's play" link. Absolutely no reliable reports that I can see say they were pushed into his eyes, frinstance if you google for it you get one guy saying that a "copper mate" of his said that batteries were "hammered into his eyes", which definately didn't happen. And that's it.

You also get lots of hits to that horrendous chain email that does the rounds every 2 years that's completely full of lies, the one that doesn't seem to think the real crime was horrific enough so adds some imaginary details to spice it up.

Anyway. Getting off the topic and mired in horrible detail.

Anyway. Getting off the topic and mired in horrible detail.

I rather think that is the topic. The details are horrible & we should not put them to one side. Clearly the details mean little to Venables. Do we want to live in a society which allows him to carry out further acts which may at some point be described as "horrible details."

OK, I'm in no way trying to "put it to one side." What I mean is, there's a risk here of derailing the thread into pointless dissection of exactly what was done, which would just be morbid and IMO tasteless.

Clearly the details mean little to Venables

you get this information from where? From what I have read one of the key things that led to him being released on liscence was that he showed remorse

Do we want to live in a society which allows him to carry out further acts

Of course not – which is why he is serving life and only released on licence

Feeling remorseful – or displaying what the system requires to get an early release? Guess we'll never know. I reckon it's the latter

Northwind; I don't need to discuss HOW I know; it's enough to say they lost their right to breathe on that day.

My point (rather than discuss all aspects of that fateful day) was that at 10, those boys knew EXACTLY what they were doing and as a result disappeared of the face of human society.

By placing his head above the parapet, hopefully Venables will get what he truly deserves inside.

TJ, the details clearly mean little to him because he is out re-offending. If he was truly remorseful about his former crimes he would think twice about committing more.

His licence includes a number of conditions which he is not allowed to breach, and reportedly he has breached a number of them. Even if we allow for the hyperbole of the press there is some definite reason why he has be returned to custody. It wasn't just for dropping a fag butt by mistake.

Releasing him on licence permits him to return to society, and in his case, he has carried out further acts. Life should now mean absolutely life.

So I think the information is quite clear to anyone who thinks logically.

So I think the information is quite clear to anyone who thinks logically.

this is true

TJ, the details clearly mean little to him because he is out re-offending.

this however has no logic to it at all

Nor has this

My point (rather than discuss all aspects of that fateful day) was that at 10, those boys knew EXACTLY what they were doing and as a result disappeared of the face of human society.

It is very clear that many folk here are not thinking logically but are understandably enough being emotional about it.

Northwind; I don't need to discuss HOW I know;

Well if you want anybody to take your allegations seriously, yes you do. Otherwise it's just completely unsubstantiated hearsay. Feel free to introduce such hearsay on this forum – within certain parameters it does approximate free speech on here. Just don't expect anybody to believe you, particularly given your continued advocacy for capital punishment for 10 year olds makes it rather hard to take anything you say seriously.

TJ, the details clearly mean little to him because he is out re-offending.

this however has no logic to it at all

I don't really understand what you mean here. Are you meaning that he may be full of remorse for the murder of James Bulger, but that he hasn't learned anything from his rehabilitation?

And just to clarify, I'm not supporting a death penalty for 10 year olds.

I mean that for you to say

the details clearly mean little to him because he is out re-offending.

has no logic. You cannot extrapolate that the details of his crime mean little to him because he has done something – we don't know what – to have his licence revoked.

The one thing does not follow on from the other.

hang the ****, no longer a danger , or a drain on our system , simples.

hang the ****, no longer a danger , or a drain on our system , simples.

Is that what you advocate for all killers, or just children who are killers?

My personal opinion, is that if you knowingly commit murder(except under exceptional circumstances) (yes I know they were only ten), and cause devastation to an innocent family(as these two have). Then you do not deserve the right to a life yourself.

*for all the do-gooders that are amongst the majority on this forum*

Sing to the tune of 'free Nelson Mandela'

freeee-eeeee jon venable-s
After all he's only 27 yrs old, has his whole life ahead of him(so did little james tho) this fella needs more counselling not locked up(again) it did'nt work the first time so why will it work now?

Waits for a barrage of hate mail!

Don't think there will ever be an outcome to this case that would be considered fair by all sides – yes he's a scumbag, but he's a product of his poor upbringing, no guidance growing up, access to inapprpriate films, games, no discipline, etc etc. Let's not forget his parents got new IDs too. New jobs, new place to live – yet no form of punishment?

The knee jerk reaction for me – and most people is to wipe him off the planet, but as said 10yr olds can't be executed unfortunately so we have to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds on a family who now live a constant lie.

M6

No, I think his family should be forced to earn their 'free' keep. Plenty of pot-holed roads that need repairing….

One of the complications in all this is that Venables was a child of 10 when he killed James Bulger. The majority of posters are concentrating on that crime, when what appears to have caused the current s***storm is the fact that he has been recalled for a (presumably current) breach of his license – we cant, no matter how much we think it would be right, go back and retry him for his original crime, therefore he will have to face the charges for whatever he has been recalled for. If the media is to be believed (a long shot I know), he is facing serious allegations (anything from assault to posession of child porn, according to the press). The past is the past, all we can hope for is that he is tried and sentenced appropriately this time around.

He must've been recalled for committing further offences and hence why they are keeping it quiet. If they don't he (or his lawyer) will claim he can't get a fair trial and do we really want him roaming out streets again through a petty error such as that! Frankly it's a tragic sad case and i'm not too interested in him and what he's up to any more. I feel for Denise Bulger/Fergus as it just drags it all up for her again and doesn't help.

Yeah, I agree with that – he'll probably get off with whatever he's been recalled for due to the media circus surrounding this case. My gut feeling is that someone from the MOJ opened their mouth in the wrong place, it leaked to the press, and now it's become a free for all. He'll claim his anonymity has been breached, probably be entitled to claim compensation, and the whole load of s**t will just keep piling up. It wont bring James Bulger back, it wont lessen the horror of the original case, and it wont make Denise Fergus' life any easier.

The knee jerk reaction for me – and most people is to wipe him off the planet, but as said 10yr olds can't be executed unfortunately

And all the while you and Steffybhoy continue to consume oxygen, it's a truly tragic world.

The knee jerk reaction for me – and most people is to wipe him off the planet, but as said 10yr olds can't be executed unfortunately

OK badly worded – i didn't say I agreed with it – however your saying the world would be a better place minus myself is a little OTT 😉

he's had his second chance and f*cked up again, I hope they throw the book at him

steffybhoy wrote,

"*for all the do-gooders that are amongst the majority on this forum*

Sing to the tune of 'free Nelson Mandela'

freeee-eeeee jon venable-s
After all he's only 27 yrs old, has his whole life ahead of him(so did little james tho) this fella needs more counselling not locked up(again) it did'nt work the first time so why will it work now?"

You've been reading a different thread.

This whole circus is a terrible indictment on our country – I can think of few other places when the media can whip up a lynch mob of the self righteous so effectively – I really wonder what millenium let alone century I'm living in(although it does have shades of 1984).

They commited a terrible crime when they were 10 years old and one of them now seems to be being retried by the court of Sun reading public opinion as if he had committed the crime as an adult today. Think back to what your understanding of right & wrong and the consequence of your actions were when you were 10.

The public has no right to know about the current issues (even if they are genuine and not simply set up by some insider with media links). The current storm of sham outrage is not helping anyone actually involved with this case, including the Bulger family.

Similar case elsewhere in the world have been handled very differently (viz Norway). Think for yourself and not what the gutter press tell you to think and put your righteous anger towards a more productive target.

FFS! Where is the Tudor King when we need him?

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Well said Norton.

Some folk on this thread need to be ashamed of themselves. Th treatment of Venables and Thompson is a stain on our society.