homophobia alive and well on the streets

One person doesn’t make the male species or a Cities inhabitants remember.

If I heard or saw the event I would have challenged him. As would many on STW.

I’m suggesting adapting to the world one lives in is a better strategy than relying on a police force that can’t be everywhere all the time

I can see your argument Ed, but the huge problem with this approach is that society won’t ever change as a result.

More pertinently, you run the significant risk of making the situation worse by giving justification to the underlying prejudice that stimulates it in the first place; by you being the one to change/adapt you’re effectively sanctioning the prejudice, giving credence to it.

As for you, TJ. Like Yunki, you can find nothing better than insult and putting words in my mouth.

I have never said . “You are blaming hem for the prejudice they encountered.” The prejudice doesn’t come from emsz, it comes from the society she lives in. It’s not her fault, it’s not my fault, it’s there and I’m proposing one strategy to deal with it that she may or may not take on board.

LOL at those of you misinterpreting edukator’s posts and saying he’s blaming the OP….presumably he’s upset you in the past?

Typical lame forum behaviour. Try reading his posts instead of joining the lynch mob.

I stopped at page two after reading most of edukator comment.
Now I am or once glad he’s british, one less vote for Marine in May. However I am quite scared as well. As his forum name implies he’s somehow in contact with people and probably young ones to teach them. And to think he’s teaching them some of his narrow-minded ideas is frankly disturbing.

And as for

Drive on French plates in England if you really want to suffer aggressive driving

, I put it down to your poor driving. As in the 4 years I have been driving in the UK with french plates, I never ever came across someone who engaged me in agressive driving. Except taxi drivers that’s it.

Oh I did read your posts and its the classic “blame the victim” I am not putting words in your mouth – Its what you said. According to you its up to the victims to modify their behaviour

Not only that you make an extremely offensive “Joke” as well.

Guys, please don’t turn this into a massive argument. I don’t want that. TJ, yes its shit that sometimes people go out of their way to intimidate, but I know what Edukator is trying to say, it’s a fact of life that we have to be careful sometimes, we just forgot for a minute

I give up.

I shouldn’t have even tried really, shouldhuv kn0wn better… 🙁

and here we go again, another multi page thread that descends into hair pulling and name calling……i’m off to mumsnet

Guys, please don’t turn this into a massive argument.

What else did you expect?

Cynic al – You should be ashamed of yourself for praising Edukators offensive “Joke”

To say that emsz should have to modify her behaviour to avoid the bigots is blaming her for the bigots actions.

If you fail to understand that then you are a part of the problem not a part of the solution. Her behaviour was not outwith the bounds of decency and should not be condemned

“Guys, please don’t turn this into a massive argument. I don’t want that.”

This should end the thread it has for me.

Cynic al – You should be ashamed of yourself for praising Edukators offensive “Joke”

Steady TeeJ. That action was more about the reaction it would provoke rather than expressing a preference for inappropriately timed funnies. Thing is, it didn’t provoke much which was probably slightly disappointing.

TJ has spoken people.
Now please leave the thread in an orderly fashion. Women and children first. Leave your baggage behind. No running and please close all the doors as you go.

Now please leave the thread in an orderly fashion. Women and children first. Leave your baggage behind. No running and please close all the doors as you go.

Bollocks to that.

PANIC!!!!!

Guys, please don’t turn this into a massive argument.

You must be new here?

If you have any questions then please ask.

Oh and a little tip as a newcomer, when TJ wades into your thread, just go make a cup of tea and have a biscuit, may I recommend choc hobnobs, and go put your feet up with a good book. As your thread is now dead. It may seem alive, but it’s been fatally wounded and doomed to repeat itself ad infinitum.

…other than that, please enjoy your stay and feel free to ask what tyres for social wrongs.

Edit to add: Would imforming you of the ethno type to be wary of in Barcelona be racist of me? It’s the same as in most French cities

And now you try to get away by being xenophobic, brilliant. Saddly for you I am french and therefore I could read the whole article. So first, posting an article from and conservative right-wing news-paper on a thread centred of tolerance isn’t your brightest move. Second, if you do a bit of research you’ll find most of the figured quote on this article are wrong, specially the ‘rom’ bits.

Oh and a little tip as a newcomer, when TJ wades into your thread, just go make a cup of tea and have a biscuit, may I recommend choc hobnobs, and go put your feet up with a good book. As your thread is now dead. It may seem alive, but it’s been fatally wounded.

Coffee/keyboard interface! 😆

But TJ is ALWAYS right……

Emsz… i’m really sorry to hear about your experience, and i imagine it must have been pretty traumatic! yes lots of people have said you should’ve gone to the police straight away, but when you’ve just been abused and spat on its not the first thing on your mind, getting to what feels like a safe place with your loved one is.

Cowley Road really isn’t the best place in Oxford to find yourself if you want to be in the company of enlightened modern individuals… trust me when i say there are several homes for the long term mentally ill, there are homes for paedophiles and forensic (think broadmoor) patients living in the community along that road and in that area. I hope for the sake of the events reflection on modern society it was an unwell person who did this to you and Sara 🙁

I hope you are both doing ok x

If youre brought up in a cosy little Cotswold town I can understand the liberal rose-tinted views of how life should be, but for right or wrong, a huge part of the UK population (maybe the majority) live in a rough area, where homophobia, religous hatred and racism are as acceptable as fish and chips. You may not underatnd this or agree with it, but it is a fact of life.

sorry if I offended you ‘edukator’ but I I find your zenophobia ridiculous..

Bloody awful thing to happen but I’m really not sure which Cowley Road some people on here are talking about.

Only just saw this.

Disgraceful that (thankfully a minority of) people are like this, but then there are still people who think that non-white people are somehow inferior, that homosexuality is an illness, and that Hitler was basically right about those horrid Jews. There will always be bigotry, but hopefully it gets further and further away from acceptability.

Sorry you had to put up with this, and yes, I’d certainly go to the police, despite the fact there’s very little they’ll be able to do. It’s important that they have data to be able to deal with this in the future.

The good news….my 11 year old son asked me at the weekend why there was such a big fuss about being gay. He just didn’t get why/how there could possibly be a problem. This wasn’t relating to him (he’s a bit young to know whether he prefers girls, boys or XBox – probably the latter), but he was reading in the papers about the situation in Zimbabwe. If we have new generations of people who not only don’t have a problem with gay relationships but honestly can’t see why anyone would, there’s a bit more hope.

It takes generations though……not good for people now.

sorry if I offended you ‘edukator’ but I I find your zenophobia ridiculous..

On the flipside we could all trip over ourselves to excessively hand-wring. Whats worse?

I voted for Bayrou first round and Sarkozy second round last time, Juan. This time it’ll no doubt be Bayrou first round and the least dangerous in the second round.

I linked an article in Match, xenophobic or simply realistic about the origin of pick pockets in France? Is your attitude to me xenophobic? Being happy to think I’m not French when I am would suggest so.

trust me when i say there are several homes for the long term mentally ill…

Careful, it sounds like you’re being mentalist. Those people are what makes Cowley Road great… the guy that used to walk around in full legionare get up with a massive staff… the black rab-c-nesbit (he may not be Scottish but he wears a string vest and is incoherant)… the crazy camp guy that used to come and talk to me whilst I was getting my hair cut…

All takes me back to the early 90’s and watching tramps fighting over bottles of white lightening and terps whilst we skated on the ramps.

Happy days.

Oh and a little tip as a newcomer, when TJ wades into your thread, just go make a cup of tea and have a biscuit, may I recommend choc hobnobs, and go put your feet up with a good book. As your thread is now dead. It may seem alive, but it’s been fatally wounded and doomed to repeat itself ad infinitum.

Would that be classed as a silent flounce?

I’d rather a bit of hand-wringing than a bit of apathy.

Well if one good thing came from this thread it was to remind me to get myself down to the French embassy here and make sure I’m on the electoral roll.

If we have new generations of people who not only don’t have a problem with gay relationships but honestly can’t see why anyone would, there’s a bit more hope.

Here’s hoping. My great fear is that it is down to upbringing rather than a generational thing. There’s still a lot of outdated, irrelevant and unreasonable attitudes being handed down.

<Hypothetical situation> I was burgled the other day. In retrospect it was naive of me to leave the back door unlocked. I will fight for the day we can all leave our door’s unlocked, but until then…<hypothetical situtation/>

I think that is along the lines of Edukator’s argument

On the flipside we could all trip over ourselves to excessively hand-wring. Whats worse?

Your nonsensical contributions?

The deadline was the end of December, Atlaz, unless have longer to reigster when living aborad.

Guys, please don’t turn this into a massive argument.

LOL

Edukator speaks no sense at all. Its the classic blame the victim stance he espouses and it stinks

You mean you disagree with him. He makes perfect sense though you may not agree with his point of view it is not irrational, mad warblings of unconnected words is it.

TJ – I think its quite a common position for “closet homophobes” to take – “Its OK to be gay, so long as you don’t flaunt it in front of me, I’ll tolerate you”.

Now that is the kind of faulty logic you need to be railing against – there is no evidence he is a homophobe
His argument seems to be hey there are homophobes out there be careful and adapt your behaviour – gay club – do as you please Witherspoons be a bit more discrete – hardly makes him homophobic.

Your attitude stinks. You are blaming hem for the prejudice they encountered.

If I advise an Asian person to not attend the EDL meeting and chant from the Koran am I a closet racist and blaiming them for the prejudices ?

So it would be wise for the asian above to do this and the consequences unforeseen [ this is nothing like the incident for emsz and Sara but you get the point].
No one is blaming the victim and that is spurious to say the least.

but I know what Edukator is trying to say, it’s a fact of life that we have to be careful sometimes, we just forgot for a minute

THIS obviously, its wrong , it shit , it should not have to happen but it is reality so to be safe you need to make appropriate choices whether gay or straight. It is not blaming the victim it is trying to be a victim.

To say that emsz should have to modify her behaviour to avoid the bigots is blaming her for the bigots actions.

It is not and it is idiotic to argue this point

FFS we are not super heros we don’t wander through life tackling every injustice we see and challenging all those we perceive to be wrong as many of those are thugs who would think nothing of hospitalising you. That is the reality you need to deal with
I have been with gay friends and been abused by a gang of 30 blokes – what did we do head down walked on.
Was this right or fair of course not but to suggest it is not there and you should not be careful [ and if you do you are condoning the behaviour of **** or blaiming the victim] is just stupid, illogical and ridiculous.

^^^

😉

Being happy to think I’m not French when I am would suggest so.

Nope I was just being happy that you won’t be voting marine. However as you’re french I have no doubt you won’t be voting for respect and tolerance.

The deadline was the end of December, Atlaz, unless have longer to reigster when living aborad.

Double abroad. I’ve moved from the UK to Luxembourg so I need to register anyway.

Junkyard +1.

TJ, is the air so thin up there that it’s affecting your cognitive skills?

(Or, at the very least, wear a helmet. You know it makes sense.)

Bayrou alors, il incarne quoi d’après toi, Juan, (on se tutoie ?) si ce n’est pas le repsect et la tolérance ? J’ai discuté longuement avec lui, principalement sur les thèmes de l’éducation et le développement durable; je l’apprécie, il ne me prend pas pour un gogo.

Je pars en Allemangne avec un car d’enfants demain, tu me fais confiance ? Ou tu comptes alerter les authorités ?