F1 2021 – spoilers here

I’m a Hamilton fan, penalty was lenient given the outcome. On the other hand though, if the roles are reversed the same thing happens in my mind. Max needs to learn that sometimes it’s better just to let it go and live to fight another day. He had a big lead in the championship and a faster car to boot. He would have been second at worst and probably would have had the pace to win anyway. Just back out of it, let your ego shrink a minute and go again. As ever, he didn’t and he now has a far smaller lead, a team with a huge repair bill for his car (a team that will be on the very limit of the cost cap it should be said). Everyone has said it for years, until he calms down and learns to live to fight another day, this outcome will always happen every now and again.

He was soooo boring. That ok?.
Hamilton is in a different league

You could maybe call Mansell boring if you’d only ever seen his interviews or watched him play golf. But the tifosi didn’t call him “Il Leone” for nothing.

Anyone else thinking of this? Hamilton being more Senna-like than I’ve ever seen before.

looked to me as Lewis was backing out of it with Vestappen aggressive in shutting the door, both miss judged it unfortunately Max came out worse from the coming together.

Watch it again. Lewis understeered, he never got anywhere near the apex. Hamilton had a car and a half of space, yet crashed into the guy on the outside anyway. Not a huge mistake, again “clumsy” is still the word that works best

Bez I watched every race in the Mansell era and beyond. Used to religiously watch qualifying and the race. I was never a fan.
I haven’t watched a race since The 2017 season though, as I gave up on the ‘sport’ hence I won’t comment on the on track shenanigans.
I may have missed some exciting racing at times, my loss.

You could maybe call Mansell boring if you’d only ever seen his interviews or watched him play golf. But the tifosi didn’t call him “Il Leone” for nothing.

A handful of ballsy moves, alongside an unwillingness to test or set cars up, a lack of a real racing brain, and a massive persecution complex. I have respect for what he did, but he could have been so much more.

Anything that upsets horner that much is def worth it

A handful of ballsy moves, alongside an unwillingness to test or set cars up, a lack of a real racing brain, and a massive persecution complex.

Not disputing any of that 😉

Anyone else thinking of this?

Only in the sense that both robbed us of what had the potential to be a monumental race. The contexts to the two incidents were massively different. Suzuka 90 wasn’t really an example of Senna’s ability to force his opponent to choose between crashing or backing out, he was just piling in with no intention of either of them making it past the first turn.

I assume red bull expect Perez to serve a race ban too or do bands only apply if your in one of their cars

Punishment to fit the crime? Ok Christian proper like for like punishment, clip an end plate causing a change then you also have to come in for a change, squeeze someone onto the grass? Next lap you have to run on the grass, cause a crash/retirement then it’s black flags for you. Is that what he wants?

“Car 44 was on a line that did not reach the apex of the corner, with room available to the inside.

“When Car 33 turned into the corner, Car 44 did not avoid contact and the left front of Car 44 contacted the right rear of Car 33. Car 44 is judged predominantly at fault.”

FIA

Watching again Max went to turn in, saw Hamilton coming up the inside, eased off then thought again and turned in quite hard. Deserves everything that happened.

I think Max would have done exactly the same if he was in Hamilton’s position, he bullys people and hopes(now even expects) that they will blink first. I think Hamilton could have been a bit less fair in the earlier corners but doesn’t usually need to be that firm, with Verstappen you have to really force the move as he won’t back out.

I also keep seeing reference to the g force Verstappen experienced but I don’t know that that should be a factor, there was an opportunity to pass and I’m not sure the speed of the corner is that relevant. You can’t only make bold moves on slow corners.

^ the fact that Horner was making such a meal of this aspect, that it was on a fast corner, that Lewis “put Max in hospital” when he went for check up etc., all that tells you that Horner is trying to provoke an emotional reaction rather than a rational one. Horner knows fine well it was a racing incident, if it was clear cut 100% Lewis’s fault and Max was 100% innocent then he’d let the circumstances speak for themselves, but it wasn’t so he has to come out with all this crap.

Max got a taste of his own medicine. He’d have done exactly the same. Racing incident, fair result all round I reckon, move on.
Absolutely blistering drive by Hamilton to catch and pass Leclerc. Just gutted Norris didn’t make the podium too.

Max is laying it on thick too.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CRei1n8Fhko/?utm_medium=copy_link

Reckon that’s 1-0 to Lewis in the mind games.

Watching the celebrations after the race while still in hospital is disrespectful and unsportsmanlike behavior but we move on

Have we ever stopped a podium for a crashed yet bitter and uninjured driver before? What makes Verstappen thinks he deserves it?

#sourgrapes

be fair he was probably wound up the hospital staff cheering when Lewis overtook leclerc. 🙂

Have we ever stopped a podium for a crashed yet bitter and uninjured driver before?

They don’t stop them for deaths.

His death hadn’t been announced at that point.

His death hadn’t been announced at that point

Ratzenburger’s had.

Ratzenburger’s had.

You know that wasn’t in the race, right?

Same weekend though. My point is, F1 has always taken the view that the show must go on. Max whinging that the win was celebrated isn’t going to get him anywhere.

I think Max would have done exactly the same if he was in Hamilton’s position, he bullies people and hopes(now even expects) that they will blink first.

Max still hasn’t fully shaken off his arrogance that he had in abundance when he first arrived in F1. He genuinely thinks that him winning races and championships is a given which leads to him presuming that any crash or incident is down to the other driver doing something wrong. Him writing:

Watching the celebrations after the race while still in hospital is disrespectful and unsportsmanlike behavior but we move on

is a symptom of him thinking he’s something special. The race had been red flagged and every driver, including Hamilton, was on the radio to see if he was ok. They all did the same with Grosgean’s crash and with pretty much every crash that looks nasty in any session. Everyone would have known that he was in the medical centre having checks done and that if any issues had been found that required a sombre podium ceremony then it would have been communicated to them by their teams on the cool down lap or the officials running the podium ceremony. Horner and Verstappen both make Red Bull look like a team of sore losers and have done for a long time.

Hamilton gets racist abuse after the win.

FFS.

RED BULL : “Gives you winge.”

Very good!

It will be interesting to see if verstappen give Lewis any more room in future races

Hamilton vs Verstappen

Hamilton vs Leclerc@karunchandhok compares the two overtaking moves at Copse Corner.#SkyF1 #BritishGP ?? pic.twitter.com/AuOkHQ45Sf

— Sky Sports F1 (@SkySportsF1) July 18, 2021

That FIA quote is as close to saying Hamilton chose to drive into Verstappen as you can go without actually saying “he did it deliberately”.

I didn’t see it except on a Sky Twitter clip so make no comment. (Also I’m probably not qualified)

The Senna never back out of going for it quote seems apt though.

It will be interesting to see if verstappen give Lewis any more room in future races

Doubt it. I see more crashes between the two of them going forward.

Verstappen doing his usual of expecting others to backoff because they know it’s likely he will cut them off. Well, this time it never happened…good, perhaps he will learn. Glad he wasn’t badly hurt but he really is massively arrogant.

That FIA quote is as close to saying Hamilton chose to drive into Verstappen as you can go without actually saying “he did it deliberately”.

Aye mebbies. But we’ve still got the school bully whinging ‘He hit me Sir!’.

That FIA quote is as close to saying Hamilton chose to drive into Verstappen as you can go without actually saying “he did it deliberately”.

Nah, I think it’s putting the onus on Lewis to have avoided the contact but I don’t think they’re suggesting it’s deliberate. That Sky analysis is interesting, not least because I totally agree. 🙂

Brundle used to say that Senna would put his car in your way and leave it up to you to decide whether there was going to be a collision. I don’t see yesterday being like that but I do think Lewis had a “I’m not giving way this time” mindset on heading towards Copse, even if ultimately he did back out of it.

https://images.app.goo.gl/eZLyRSCSZnQzV15F7

Yeah Max, celebrating whilst your rival is in hospital is really disrespectful

Bahrain 2020. Grosjean actually in hospital receiving treatment, not just getting a concussion test.

Max is his father’s son. (I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if that had been written by Jos)

 “Car 44 is judged predominantly at fault.”

Not wholly though…

One pundit talking about LH not holding tight to the apex mentioned that it’s dusty in there and LH was having understeer (from car cam) the backed out.

I see lots of online hysteria about Hamilton ‘putting him in hospital’ – going for a checkup isn’t really being put in hospital is it.

Also, do we rate all crashes precisely according to G force now?

I thought that sky clip summarised it perfectly. From a physics point of view max drove into Lewis. Toto quoting the rules. More than half a car length and the corner is yours.

It was a racing incident between two drivers who are extremely competitive. Either one of them could have avoided the crash by backing out, but they both chose to continue. The stewards’ decision was that Hamilton was “predominantly” at fault means that they consider Verstappen to not have done everything he could have to avoid crashing too. Penalty was applied, nobody got hurt, book is closed.