F1 2019 (spoilers obviously)

who would be capable of a fastest lap and still fall outside the top 10?

Anyone who has suffered a grid penalty at a track like Monaco or Hungary I guess.

What happens if you set the lap whilst in the top ten but then drop back? (Might be covered, but haven’t looked at the rules)

I think you have to finish in the top 10 for it to be valid.

Point for fastest only if in the top 10 make sense. Getting a point is a big achievement for some teams currently and it takes a fight to get one. Being able to effectively give up on the race and pick up 21 points a season by just running a race un-competitive but fast qualifying spec car wouldn’t be right.

So, options for watching the race live? I don’t want to commit to two years of sky f1 channel even at a tenner a month so…?

– C4 non live (except for the British gp)
– Online (legal)?

Now TV have a range of options, from a day to every race.

Legal online would be via sky as the official F1 live stream isn’t available to the public in the UK. Think the mods may take a dim view of discussing the less legal options…

Now TV have an F1 9 month season pass for £195 single payment, 21 race weekends.  It does revert to £33 so be prepared to cancel after the last race.

It’ll be interesting to see UK viewing figures for this season, I won’t be watching at that price.

Saw some viewing figures recently 2m (UK) for the last race of the season versus 9m prior to pay TV. Sponsors will be loving that sort of drop

Long may that trend continue!

its free on SKY ONE (well not actually free, but for non-sports subscribers) this for AUS GP and depending on how the season ends they usually stick it on SKY ONE when the title is over.
Also i think they do a full length repeat on SKY one on mondays

i saw on a different forum a cheapest way of using NOW TV passes combined with C4’s coverage due to time differences etc when like this weekend its on at early hours-o-clock.

the fact that Sky one gave a highlights package to C4 (well C4 paid for it i guess) suggests to me they are also scared about the drop – lets face it, if the season turns out to be a corker battle at the top, more people are likely to pay NOW TV or SKY to see it live as the season heats up , if all they are seeing is it in the papers or online headlines with no access to any coverage , then they wont get pulled in – a canny move from SKY i think.
Also i cannot see how sky can afford to make so much loss against the coverage, because they really must be doing so with the figures as they are – perhaps now they have it exclusively live they will drop the investment….

Thanks for the sky one tip. That’s this weekend sorted at least. Will probably just stick with c4 for the rest

the fact that Sky one gave a highlights package to C4 (well C4 paid for it i guess) suggests to me they are also scared about the drop

I think there’s a requirement in the Concorde Agreement that the Rights Holder has to provide FTA TV coverage in some markets.  Of course the Concorde Agreement is expiring at the end of next year so it’s up to Liberty (and the teams) to decide how they reach their market/fans after that.

Great article into the state of Williams and how they arrived at the position they are at today…

The game changed and they didn’t: The true cause of Williams’ decline

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/47542802 Interesting article about the sky deal and viewing platforms.

Thanks for the sky one tip. That’s this weekend sorted at least. Will probably just stick with c4 for the rest

+1 cheers

C4 restrictions imposed by Sky for the 2019 season:

– A maximum of 50% of the C4 show runtime can feature on track coverage. That is, to show an hour of the race they need to fill another hour of pre-race coverage and post race analysis.

– They are not allowed in the pen, all interviews will be supplied by Sky. Paddock interviews will also be limited.

– No grid walks (apart from Silverstone)

– Highlights show must not start until 3 hours after the race.

The 50% rule coupled with the significant Paddock restrictions is brutal and will mean lengthy pre and post race chat amongst the presenting team if they want reasonable race highlights. Clever move from Sky.

source is a post on pistonheads by ukaskew

sky, you won’t see penny one from me, greedy ****!

Ouch, that 50% rule is going to sting. Not really bothered about any of the other restrictions.
Been watching F1 since the James Hunt & Niki Lauda days…I guess I’ll just pop-in every now and again from now on if the season gets interesting.
(Not that I’m ever counted in the viewing figures seeing as I’m now living in Canada)

Aren’t Liberty Media going to offer streaming outside of the UK though?

To answer my own question…
F1 replay streaming

Seems fairly reasonable @ $3.99 month. Anyone use this? Any good?
Replay only seems to be available in Canada…I’m guessing it’s available live on a cable channel somewhere s can’t get live version but that’s ok with the time zone difference on the west coast…

And then I looked closely at the T&C’s and the replays are only available 7 days after the race…I’m not going to be able to maintain no-spoiler radio silence that long…

Hmmm, back to VPN and Channel 4 then…

Charlie Whiting has died 🙁

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.fia-f1-race-director-charlie-whiting-passes-away.3Su01LCNwgrPic2Ex8FBQP.html

Whiting dying is a tragedy, RIP

RIP, he was only 66. 🙁

Shocked to hear about Charlie this morning – when the radio started with ‘on the eve of the australian grand prix veteran member of the formula 1 establishment’ I really thought it was Bernie.

Yeah a real shocker to hear this morning, and a huge loss to the sport too

I really do feel for Vettel and the other drivers right now. Only the day before Vettel walked part of the track with Whiting. Now after the new he and the other drivers have to put that behind them and get on with the race weekend as the show must go on. The drivers briefing is going to be a sombre event.

Oh dear. A massively respected guy who will leave a huge gap.

Whiting dying is a tragedy, RIP

It’s sad news, but “tragedy”, really? Aryton Senna and Bruce McLaren’s deaths were tragedies. Whiting was an overweight elderly man who had a heart attack. Sad for his family and friends, but a bit below the threshold of “tragedy”.

A bit harsh that. 66 isn’t really that elderly these days. He wasn’t exactly overweight from the photos I’ve seen and he didn’t die of a heart attack

I think it’s tragic but we’re all entitled to opinions

That bulge round his gut isn’t actually supposed to be there. Not obese, but a bit overweight. A guy with 20 pounds of fat round his gut dying at 66 isn’t really a big surprise.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19920405&slug=1484688

The Court of Peeves, Irks and Crotchets resumes its spring assizes with a complaint from A.B. Greeves of Des Moines, Wash. His complaint is against the misuse of “tragedy.” The court rules in the plaintiff’s favor, and the court probably will get in trouble for doing so.

This is the gentleman’s point: “Tragedy” is too powerful a word to be used in describing everyday misfortunes, accidents and deaths. Precisely employed, “tragedy” in volves some element of moral failure, some flaw in character, or some extraordinary combination of elements that produce a tragic consequence.

The court takes judicial notice of “the tragedy of Bjorn Borg’s premature retirement” and “the tragedy of the chef’s fallen souffle.” Well, no. Not every death of a young person is tragic. Not every fatal auto accident is tragic. Heavy words should be reserved for heavy lifting.

Sad news indeed, RIP Charlie Whiting 🙁

Hols, I agree but possibly not the best time to be quibbling over semantics? 🙂

Those Sky restrictions are crap, and its until 2024 too

F1 chief executive Chase Carey, incidentally, is on the board of Sky UK.

i know Formula E isnt any F1, but its not too bad a watch – what i dont understand is how the BBC is not promoting it or giving it any real air time – its all hidden away on RED BUTTON – despite them getting the rights of C5 (or was it QUEST) from it last year. bizarre.

Last FE race was live on BBC 2 but that’s probably cos it was 7.50 on a Sunday morning. It was entertaining enough but still ended up with a stewards decision deciding the result, so a bit like F1 😉

Ha. I’ve just got the pun in the title of the thread.

Hmph.  F1 cars have wings, not spoilers.  From Wikipedia (so it must be true)

A <b>spoiler</b> is an automotive aerodynamic device whose intended design function is to ‘spoil’ unfavorable air movement across a body of a vehicle in motion, usually described as turbulence or drag. Spoilers on the front of a vehicle are often called <b>air dams</b>. Spoilers are often fitted to race and high-performance sports cars, although they have become common on passenger vehicles as well. Some spoilers are added to cars primarily for styling purposes and have either little aerodynamic benefit or even make the aerodynamics worse.

The term “spoiler” is often mistakenly used interchangeably with “wing”. An automotive wing is a device whose intended design is to generate downforce as air passes around it, not simply disrupt existing airflow patterns.<sup id=”cite_ref-1″ class=”reference”>[1]</sup><sup id=”cite_ref-2″ class=”reference”>[2]</sup> As such, rather than decreasing drag, automotive wings actually increase drag.

Only 4 years late retro83! 🙂

F1 cars have wings, not spoilers.

I think it’s fair to class the aero kits on last year’s McLaren and Williams as spoilers.