EU Referendum – are you in or out?

Anyone thought about what they’re going to do in the event of no deal

Campaign for Scottish Independence

French newspaper are saying the only extension you will get is up to EU elections in May .

The way it is going , I doubt the UK will have made much progress by then .

t least Mark Carney is on side

Any extension would be shorter than that.

Faced with a cliff edge MPs will back Mays deal.

May just needs enough time to rubber stamp through whatever repressive & shoddy legislation she needs (her time at home office, last 2.5yrs of avoiding any scrutiny of Brexit & lie after lie after lie- indicate that’s exactly what she will do)

Then resign & call an early GE in May.

The legacy of the rushed through legislation will be a problem for someone else.

Or we get a No deal & get to watch MPs spend a decade arguing over which rights we will give away to secure trade deals & keep manufacturers here

Re delaying A50 – if Europe won’t agree a delay, we can revoke & re-trigger.

In theory yes but in practice whether that would get past the courts is a different matter. After all there is nothing clear about revoking article 50.
I cant see the EU, if given some hope it would help, challenging an extension. After all whilst it will hurt the UK a lot more a hard brexit will be rather unpleasant for the the EU. Its just whether they have any confidence that the extension will change things which is the concerning thing. I wouldnt have currently since the maybot is dancing to the ERG and DUP wishes whilst the more sensible tories are letting love of the tories override telling her to get her act in order.

In theory yes but in practice whether that would get past the courts is a different matter. After all there is nothing clear about revoking article 50.

Courts have said we can revoke as we want, just not dick about and use it to haggle.

Courts have said we can revoke as we want, just not dick about and use it to haggle.

we can revoke, and the eu does have a nuclear option of expelling a member. So revoking and then pissing about isn’t going to go down well.

After all there is nothing clear about revoking article 50.

(Checks rulings) … looks very clear to me.

I suspect we’d need a new PM for that to take place though. And there is no time left for that. We’re all May’s bitches for now.

And, rescinding and then triggering again (sooner rather than later) would result in even less trust in the UK worldwide.

If we rescind, realistically it’ll be after the next election ’till we could trigger again. But then… if we go ahead and leave now… we still won’t have resolved our new position by the next election anyway. That’s going to be a messy campaign, and Brexit obsessed, no matter what we do this year…

Just a reminder that grayling is only still a minister coz of Brexit

I don't think the prime minister enjoyed this opening gag from Corbyn very much. pic.twitter.com/Ad6QoS7jOy

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) February 12, 2019

No way! Who would have thought it?

Exclusive: Secret traffic light-coded progress report reveals just 6 of 40 EU trade deals are on course to be rolled over in time for Brexit Day on March 29th: https://t.co/f7mIXFRw2s pic.twitter.com/2g8GBWMjcg

— Matt Dathan (@matt_dathan) February 12, 2019

Presumably the above document just refers to the 40 or so existing trade agreements with the EU that we are currently part of, and getting agreement to carry on as before. No more and no less. However, I also guess, that any of these agreements that we can agree to carry on with will be dependent upon nothing changing from how it is now. So should we choose to diverge on regulations from those currently agreed, say for example we approve the use of GM crops or hormones in beef (so that we can cut a deal with the US) then all those agreements are up for renegotiation. In other words, to keep them longer term as is, without renegotiation, basically means we continue to align exactly with actual EU rules and regs?

Or am I missing something here?

That appears to be a fair assessment.

This tries to explain what the Swiss agreement looks to be – carry on as usual for the transition period. Doesn’t apply in the case of no-deal.

It’s written by a trade expert though, so you can instantly dismiss it by shouting ‘GATT Article XXIV!’ if you so desire.

What have the UK and Switzerland agreed on trade post-Brexit?

So Olly Robbins has been overheard saying the vote will be Mays deal or extending article 50

Its just more can-kicking though, isn’t it? It’ll resolve absolutely nothing. The Tory party will carry on having an internal war with itself but not actually getting anywhere, and the labour party will sit impotently watching on, while Jeremy daydreams of his fantasy Socialist Brexit (Sexit?)

I wonder if Theresa is simply trying to bore everyone into submission with an eternal groundhog day, like a sort of political Jose Mourhino

Just a reminder that grayling is only still a minister coz of Brexit

Amber rudd same boat

Within 24 hours of Amber Rudd from the UK Government damning the ‘reckless few playing fast and loose with people’s futures’, a report by i-News exposed as an egregious example the, er, UK government.

Headlined ‘Armed forces budget faces “huge” £3billion pension black hole’,

The 7.25 trillion in promises includes NHS pensions which only has 2.5 trillion in the pot to cover it…..

And these people are leading us into the brightest future of the century if we hold our nerve

It might get worse yet. Government ministers are today to hold talks with the shadow cabinet.

Just imagine….. the combined intellectual heft of Chris Grayling and Dianne Abbott?

That’ll soon get everything sorted

“When I voted to leave I didn’t think it would change anything for my rights to live here” –

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47214093

“When I voted to leave I didn’t think it would change anything for my rights to live here” –
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47214093

But leave-voters aren’t thick, oh no.

Just imagine….. the combined intellectual heft of Chris Grayling and Dianne Abbott?

Still on the same racist bandwagon, eh?

Especially as Spain doesn’t do dual nationality so staying in Spain is going to be a lot harder (more expensive) than staying in France where people are finding it easy to get dual nationality.

Its just more can-kicking though, isn’t it? It’ll resolve absolutely nothing.

The odds of an election in May are looking up. If May gets her deal through, it’s job done and she’ll step aside to honour her promise to tory backbenchers. If she doesn’t, she’ll have failed on the single task her administration is based on and will need to step aside.

Maybot is worried that a second referendum would make a mockery of British politics…it says on one of the papers

Errrmmmmmmm

Still on the same racist bandwagon, eh?

What’s racist about it?

Its the default, knee-jerk, Corbynista position when its pointed out that Dianne isn’t exactly the sharpest tool in the box, and most people wouldn’t trust her to run a bath.

You are allowed to criticise Chris grayling though, because he’s a white bloke. And a Tory.

Best to steer clear of anyone Jewish though.Unless you’re sending them a death threat by anonymous Tweet

Anyway… talking of Labour, theres some shadow minister on Five Live at the moment. To quote Theresa herself ‘nothing has changed’. Labour policy is still that Jeremy is apparently going to go to Brussels and negotiate a cake and eat it Brexit, ending freedom of movement, while retaining access to everything else, but not paying for it

Hurray! Cake for everybody!!!!

Dianne Abbot is not stupid. Far from it.
She is very weak at media interviews.
And getting worse.

Chris Grayling on the other hand is a master of eating up interview time without saying anything at all.

As for the cake eating, Corbyn even used the term “maintaining frictionless trade” again in parliament yesterday, while still insisting that FoM ends. He is stuck where May was approximately two years ago…

Dianne Abbot is not stupid. Far from it.
She is very weak at media interviews.
And getting worse.

Agree. Anyone weak with media these days need to go as that is what getting elected is all about (Corbyn needs to go for same reason). Policies seem secondary.

Its the default, knee-jerk, Corbynista position when its pointed out that Dianne isn’t exactly the sharpest tool in the box

Not really – it’s the result of wondering why you would make an obviously untrue claim about someone, particularly when that someone was not even part of the discussion. Why do you feel the need to keep bringing up Dianne Abbot and disparaging her intellect? (How is YOUR intellect by the way? How is YOUR Cambridge first ??)

Who’s Diane Abbott?

My best mate has a saying about his incredibly well qualified brother:

“He could calculate how many beans were in a tin but he couldn’t tell you how to open the ****er”

indeed

If Brexit has shown us anything, across both parties, is the absolute wilful ignorance and total ineptitude from people who’ve had the most expensive educations money can buy. You know Chris Grayling went to Cambridge too, right? Think he’s doing a good job too?

Abbot is doing an awful job. Piling in on her and calling her stupid is suspicious though, is it not? Considering she is the most abused MP on Social Media, “for some reason”.

Anyway… let’s get this back on topic… listening to Abbot defending Labour’s current immigration policy is quite painful for me. The vilification of FoM by the Labour front bench has equalled that of the Tory front bench this year… they have gone from pretending that losing FoM is an unfortunate side effect of leaving the Single Market, to actively pushing for the ending of it at any cost.

Think he’s doing a good job too?

Clearly not, but he is not the one who is being brought up in a discussion unrelated to his responsibilities via inaccurate description of his intelligence.

Whatevs….

Anyway…. as one of our resident Corbyn fan bois could you talk us though magic grandads policy on Brexit, because to me its just more cakist nonsense?

Do you not think its ridiculous, at this stage in the game, that the labour leader is presently advocating the same policy that Boris Johnson was saying he could sort out 2 an a half years ago?

Seems about as credible as Mays latest ‘Narnia Plus’ option

Sorry to disappoint but I’m far from a fanboi. As most people know very well, JC is pro-Brexit, which will quite screw up my life. I’ve said a few times that there is no difference between his position and May’s shitty deal.

Depressing, isn’t it?

I’m struggling to understand how Kier Starmer can remain in the cabinet after having Corbyn remove his commitment to a second referendum from his letter to May after it had been agreed.

Yet another example of Corbyns legendary commitment to restoring democracy to the party, and in no way just ignoring everyone else and doing what the hell he likes, like some tinpot dictator

Just imagine….. the combined intellectual heft of Chris Grayling and Dianne Abbott?

A black, female, working class daughter of immigrants, who got into Cambridge in the 1970s. Anyone achieving that despite multiple disadvantages clearly has plenty of brain power, and to suggest otherwise says much about you.

I’m struggling to understand how Kier Starmer can remain in the cabinet after having Corbyn remove his commitment to a second referendum from his letter to May after it had been agreed.

Because unlike some of the children in the room he probably understands he has more influence in the room rather than outside of it, for instance if there are cabinet/shadow cabinet meetings then he will actually be in them

How is this possible? Is it the same as my local MP changing party? What would happen if my local MP suddenly did this?!

The UK’s Brexit negotiator is talking about a long delay to Article 50. The establishment are betraying Brexit.

I am now sitting as an MEP for The Brexit Party in the European Parliament.

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— Nigel Farage (@Nigel_Farage) February 13, 2019

Happens more than you think
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_politicians_who_have_crossed_the_floor

Because unlike some of the children in the room he probably understands he has more influence in the room rather than outside of it, for instance if there are cabinet/shadow cabinet meetings then he will actually be in them

Sounds a bit like remaining in the EU really?

Presumably MEPs don’t actually represent a national party as such(?), so Farage is (unsurprisingly) just talking bollox in an effort to whip up some gammon fury. IMHO 🙂

Actually… because of the difference in the voting systems, you could argue that people vote “for a party” rather than “for an individual” MORE when voting for MEPs than when voting for MPs.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/en/your-meps/european_elections/the_voting_system.html