British IS female wants to come back to UK…

If it quacks like a duck…..

If it types like a dullard…

Youd rather have members of IS in the country than members of the Tory party? I’m no fan of his, but coming out with that just highlights you as a idiot.

Such is my idiocy that I suspect that she is capable of being rehabilitated and living a useful life. For Javid there is no such hope I’m afraid.

I tried to keep out of this thread, but some of the comments and insults at each other made me want to speak up.
Its an incredibly emotive subject, people will have been personally affected by ISIS. I’m an ex soldier (left before the Afghan tours started), I know people who didn’t return from their tours and people who have lost limbs. One of my close friends watched as troops under his command stood on a land mine. He suffers very bad PTSD and depression. I could go on. We have seen some horrific killings in this country, whether that is bombings, stabbings or car ram raids. Other western countries have had a similar experience if not worse than the UK.
While this young girl as an individual is not solely responsible, she supports those activities. She left her country to go to a war zone to support a religious / militant organisation that has declared war against this country. In my view she is an Idealist Jihadist, her way of supporting this ideology (the war to make Gods War the only Law on Earth) was to travel to the Levant or caliphate and to support the soldiers she see’s as fighting for her ideology.
The question about whether she should be allowed back to this country? The one she has left, the one that she knowingly went to a military organisation at war with our country? Yes, she should be allowed back. She should face trial, but that wouldn’t happen. We are to weak a country to deal with it, we will kick up a fuss, say she is not going to be allowed back in, then lawyers will get involved and she will return. She will get a free house, free health service and free education (paid for by the people she has declared war on – and I know people will say she hasn’t declared war – she joined the organisation who had)
My inside says NOT A CHANCE, she shouldn’t be allowed back. She should rot in the hole she has dug for herself. But, that really is just a case of us resorting to the most base level and we should be better than that.

(I do know ISIS are a relatively new organisation and not the same as Al-Qaeda or the Taliban even if there are links or similarities, I imagine the British public will just be thinking that we (the West) have been targeted by Islamic Fundamentalists for close to two decades)

I just feel sorry for the baby to be honest. I mean, I was a **** idiot in my teens, but she’s definitely on another level. Poor kid doesn’t stand a chance. Still the silly girl that ran off at fifteen.

the Special Snowflake award goes to…..Ewaaaan!

She should be **** shot. It’s the only thing terrorists like her seem to understand, plus she’ll be happy cos she’ll go to paradise.

I guess you’d be the one to pull the trigger? What about her new born baby? Would you shoot it as well?

Frankly if being the opposite of you makes me a snowflake, I’ll wear that tag with pride.

I have no sympathy for her.

BUT she has been stripped of her citizenship with no judicial process, and that stinks.

Then there is the child, which is also British. It has effectively been sentenced too.

It’s a lose lose situation.

We can chin of our rule of law, well that’s a shitty path to start on and what stops that rule being applied to anyone that UK Gov deems a nuisance.

Or we take her back and have a punt at trial, she may go down, she may not.

Either way she becomes a risk and q burden the child is at risk of being indoctrinated as well, leaving social care, schools, police, MI5 to be up her chuff until such a time as someone makes a poor judgement and says shes ‘safe’ and then she goes bang or assists some nutters doing something nutty.

Or she rehabilitates and becomes a productive member of society.

Who knows?

I am no Ironside but do people in this country really have such a limited knowledge of our own legal procedures.

I am confused, was Ironside not an American detective? Why would he have expert knowledge of UK law?

Nicely done Sir.

The death of metaphor in the binary male world of STW.

That died a long time ago, along with many other things. Ah well, we can rebuild.

The death of metaphor in the binary male world of STW.

I still don’t understand and I even checked what a metaphor was. Why not choose say Rumpole? Otherwise one might as well have said “I’m no Chandler Bing…” Anyway, I guess it doesn’t matter too much, but with so many people being accused of being idiots I think it wouldn’t hurt if people were clearer in what they meant – it would certainly help me.

I am confused, was Ironside not an American detective? Why would he have expert knowledge of UK law?

Yeah well spotted and well done, it’s really driven a stake through my reasoning.

Mmm, steak.

Anyhoo, as she is (was) a British citizen, does she qualify for the Op Shader medal? Asking for a friend.

You chose an AMERICAN!

That’s it! Your argument is DEAD!

And here’s another ! just for shitz’n’giggles!*

*And another one.

You chose an AMERICAN!

That’s it! Your argument is DEAD!

And here’s another ! just for shitz’n’giggles!*

*And another one.

I am gutted deadly. People dont realise that if he was a real person rather that a fictitious 70’s TV character used for effect, that he would as an American be familiar with the concept of innocent until proven guilty and also the right to a fair trial by a jury of peers.

You haven’t just let me and the forum down…

Well, look, you know how the rest goes…

My inside says NOT A CHANCE, she shouldn’t be allowed back. She should rot in the hole she has dug for herself. But, that really is just a case of us resorting to the most base level and we should be better than that.

And that is how I suspect most people feel. We are the better society with the rule of law.

Id go with cuck over snowflake tbf..

Dont really like snowflake.. id get myself called that i imagine with having a pretty far left stance on most things.

Virtue signalling cucks. Thats more apt.

I prefer the term soyboy beta cucks.

Isn’t that a milk/coffee option in Starbucks?

👌

Thats enough trolling for today.. night night internet 👋

After WW2 Nazi defectors were hung for treason. Since then the law has been changed but apparently consideration is being given to update for this sort of situation.

The prospect of a life sentence seems like a suitable deterrent for returning (and leaving) jihadists. Although I don’t understand why returners would not prefer to live in another country with Sharia law. Perhaps someone could explain that one?

Because they’re full of shit @tinribz.

mooman

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She not be taking her case to the ECJ … I guess thats another benefit of Brexit

In a thread with so much bigotry & ignorance this one at least made me chuckle

Self edited to avoid stoking trouble 🙂

This thread just shows that a lot of people have no comprehension on grooming, radicalization etc,. She was groomed at 15, the police were aware, the school was aware but nobody told the parents and first they knew was when she had left. She then married a 30 year old man within days of arriving in Syria. She then endured Syria and the horrors of it for 4 years.

Yet people are repeatedly saying things like “She doesn’t seem sorry about it”, “she still supports ISIS” That is because nothings has changed in her head since the things that happened at 15. In fact, it would have just got worse.

Law, home office etc,. should be objective and non emotional but this case is really proving that is not how it works.

Just like to point out I’m chuckling at moomans ignorance there ^^^^. Not what he was trying to say !

The apple falls next to the apple tree

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/british-terror-suspects-quietly-stripped-of-citizenship-then-killed-by-drones-8513858.html

I may well be wrong but was she not tracked down by a reporter in a camp with nearly 300,000 refugees in and then asked to give an interview? I’m not sure she ever planned to come forward with the plea to come home.

Quite surprised that this story broke days ago and she is still in the refugee camp, thought some idiot charity would have tried bringing her back by now, but thankfully none have. I think her chances of getting back here with or without her citizenship are slim…

15 year old girl is brain washed
Police, School and Local Authority know she is being brain washed – none of them tell her parents who demand to know why because if they knew they would have taken her passport away – as she is 15 and they are her Parents.
15 year old brain washed girl travels to another country and within 3 days is forced into an arranged marriage to a man twice her age.
Between the age of 15 and 19 the teenage girl has 3 children – 2 of her children die.
within 1/2 days of giving birth the 19 year old girl is found in a refuge camp on her own with a baby due or might have just been born. A “hero” journalist then fires questions to the girl demanding answers.
this girl is homeless, alone, lost 2 babies, brain washed, gave birth 1/2 days ago. Then the UK Government decides to make her state less.

That about sums it up.

For those still wondering why she stuck around so long perhaps go back and read the story about the 17yo Austrian girl who left for Syria, was used as a “prize” for new recruits (yes, that means raped, repeatedly) and then when she tried to escape was beaten to death with hammers. Just think about that for a moment and then consider what that would do to the mind.

I read about the Austrian girl. Grim reading.
You know that Garden bridge that cost millions? Now it’s been cancelled they can divert the funds into footing the bill for the legal case for this one!
Probably be cheaper to buy her a street in Mayfair.

If she was kidnapped and made an ISIS bride nobody would see an issue with her being brought back home to the UK. Just because she wasn’t physically kidnapped it doesn’t mean she went of her own free will.
This really isn’t much different to the white, non-muslim, girls involved target by the Asian gangs.

Indeed 15 year old girl groomed & trafficked by a Muslim gang
As I said earlier, wheres Tommy Robinson at? defending girls like her is his life’s work !

Just because she wasn’t physically kidnapped it doesn’t mean she went of her own free will.

She will have been one of the least brainwashed people in ISIS and she *did* go of her own free will. When she went the beheadings of innocents had been going on for a year and were all over the media. Maybe someone else was giving her an alternative version but she will certainly have seen the mainstream version of events, you couldn’t avoid it at the time. Local ISIS recruits often didn’t have the benefit of the Western Media to contradict whatever ISIS were telling them. Foreign ISIS volunteers are/were by far the the least brainwashed people in ISIS.

read the story about the 17yo Austrian girl who left for Syria, was used as a “prize” for new recruits (yes, that means raped, repeatedly) and then when she tried to escape was beaten to death with hammers.

Yep, ISIS were/are unspeakably evil and the UK should avoid importing their people where legally and morally possible. [2]

[1] Although specific details of this ‘grooming’ are non-existent.
[2] As discussed earlier in the thread, it probably isn’t in this case.

She will have been one of the least brainwashed people in ISIS and she *did* go of her own free will. When she went the beheadings of innocents had been going on for a year and were all over the media.

Or one of the most brainwashed people there given she went despite the media coverage on the reality of the situation