BBC bias – Scottish independence content

Wait, Christopher Lambert isn’t Scottish? But his accent was so flawless! Next you’ll be telling me Sean Connery isn’t Egyptian.

Pfft. Silly! He’s Russian! Or is it Spanish? I forget.

.gordimhor – Member
SD-253 – Independent retailers are all part of cooperative
No they aren’t.

I will rephrase that, the vast majority are. This is based on my research. Your counter “no there not” is not a counter argument it is i can stamp my feet louder than yours!

Either agree with a Scotsman or apologies for being English if not

rene59 – Member
What a bigoted little man you are.

I thought the Central Belt was Scottish SD-253 at least it was when I lived there.

I think you guys are talking at cross purposes- it’s not that the costs will rise- it’s that they may already be higher,

Northwind, yeah I thought this after my last post, still doesn’t stack up though, it’s still the one organisation with the same stores in the same locations, it won’t necessarily follow that costs will rise. I can’t see Tesco hiving off a part of its business to become Tesco Scotland ltd. and Tesco the rest of the UK ltd bearing in mind that it already has store in several other countries, presumably it can work out the cost of doing business?

.gordimhor – Member
I thought the Central Belt was Scottish SD-253 at least it was when I lived there.

I am fully aware of that, what is your point? All I was clearly saying was that Supermarkets can only compete nationally but that rule MAY not apply after independence. Therefore costs MAY be passed onto all of Scotland. IE central belt and England will not be subsidising the rest. AGAIN MAY

“free thinking” the vast majority are not.

Not being “free thinking” is not the same being a sectarian bigot.

I was being a little provocative to counter the image projected by the “Yes” campaign, of the brave, hard done by Scots, suffering from years of English oppression, who just want to be free.

I am not jockist, some very good friends of mine are Scottish but to say there are still not major issues regarding religious bigotry, is delusional.

Myself and an English friend were in a pub in a small village just outside Glasgow, quite “posh”, started a conversation at the bar, within 3 minutes the gentleman had declared that he was a protestant. Now he wasn’t drunk, being aggressive or rude but he seemed to think it was so important that it would be mentioned to strangers in a pub almost immediately. He didn’t strike me as someone who really cared about religion either or did he disclose which protestant church he was a “member” of.

OK it’s just an anecdote but I can’t think of any other part of the UK where this would happen.

.nickc – Member
I think you guys are talking at cross purposes- it’s not that the costs will rise- it’s that they may already be higher

They are higher but with independence they may pass them on. On the other hand that may lead to them opening more shops as it would be profitable?

.winston_dog – Member
“free thinking” the vast majority are not.
Not being “free thinking” is not the same being a sectarian bigot.

I was being a little provocative to counter the image projected by the “Yes” campaign, of the brave, hard done by Scots, suffering from years of English oppression, who just want to be free.

I am not jockist, some very good friends of mine are Scottish but to say there are still not major issues regarding religious bigotry, is delusional.

Myself and an English friend were in a pub in a small village just outside Glasgow, quite “posh”, started a conversation at the bar, within 3 minutes the gentleman had declared that he was a protestant. Now he wasn’t drunk, being aggressive or rude but he seemed to think it was so important that it would be mentioned to strangers in a pub almost immediately. He didn’t strike me as someone who really cared about religion either or did he disclose which protestant church he was a “member” of.

OK it’s just an anecdote but I can’t think of any other part of the UK where this would happen.
Actually I had an almost identical experience in a rural pub in Lincolnshire but he was from North Ireland… Surprise surprise! I told him I was Catholic being Protestant he didn’t want anything to do with me. Until someone told him I was ex-para. Best mates now!!

.gordimhor – Member
I thought the Central Belt was Scottish SD-253 at least it was when I lived there.

Just reread my post I did say central belt of Scotland?

SD-253 Your original statement was that all independent retailers are part of the cooperative, and as I said they are not. I made the point that prejudice exists in Scotland as it does throughout the world. I then made the point that people who discriminate against others are bampots regardless of where they come from

“Either agree with a Scotsman or apologies for being English if not”

I don’t know if your statement above reflects your opinion but it certainly doesn’t reflect mine.

to say there are still not major issues regarding religious bigotry, is delusional.

I wouldn’t go that far. A big thing gets made of it in the media because it sells papers, but the actual figures of religiously motivated hate crime are pretty low, especially when compared to where race is a factor.

The most recent figures, published in June 2013, are for 2012-1316. By far, the largest proportion of hate crime is that which involves racial aggravation. (A total of 4,012 charges relating to race crime were reported in 2012-13 – 68% of all hate crime.) Twelve percent of hate crime in 2012-13 involved a religious aggravation17.

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2013/06/8109/5

was from North Ireland..

Northern Island Protestant = displaced Scot.

gordimhor – Member
SD-253 Your original statement was that all independent retailers are part of the cooperative,

Opps cooperatives not the Coop, apologies. None for anything else I typed

.winston_dog – Member
was from North Ireland..
Northern Island Protestant = displaced Scots

And vice versa for the Catholic Marching Bands in Scotland??

A big thing gets made of it in the media

Maybe.

However, especially in Glasgow, it is deeply rooted in the culture. Hence you still have the Orange marches with all the trouble that goes with it.

IME there is also tension connected with the Masonic Lodges, which are subtly different in Scotland, much more “working class” rather than the “middle class professional” types in England. They are Protestant organisations and a Catholic would never be admitted. The masons caused a great deal of problems where I worked!

.whatnobeer – Member
to say there are still not major issues regarding religious bigotry, is delusional.
I wouldn’t go that far. A big thing gets made of it in the media because it sells papers, but the actual figures of religiously motivated hate crime are pretty low, especially when compared to where race is a factor.

As they tend to live in there own enclave, which in itself is sectarianism, you would expect a lower count. We are of course talking about reported crime and implying we can trust police statistics, something I have great difficulty with.

I live in England last time I met a “jock” his views were “I would never give an English man a job” He was of course working in England for an English firm

my practical experince in an English company is that if you get a Scot in senior management you suddenly get a lot more Scots working for the company

we now have a “tartan ceiling” for jobs

.big_n_daft – Member
I live in England last time I met a “jock” his views were “I would never give an English man a job” He was of course working in England for an English firm
my practical experince in an English company is that if you get a Scot in senior management you suddenly get a lot more Scots working for the company

we now have a “tartan ceiling” for jobs.

In this case the manager was Scottish and brought the man down from Scotland and supplied him with accommodation in his own house. There was plenty of people locally wanting the job. Lorry driving by the way.

religiously motivated hate crime are pretty low, especially when compared to where race is a factor.

Are they not closely linked?

I mean your average Union Flag waving bigot hates Blacks, Aisans and Catholics. Not sure who they hate most. This racial hatred is motivated by their “religious” viewpoints.

I mean have you ever seen a black man wearing a sash and a bowler hat?

I mean your average Union Flag waving bigot hates Blacks, Aisans and Catholics. Not sure who they hate most. This racial hatred is motivated by their “religious” viewpoints.

I’m not sure if you’re having a dig at BNP supporters or Rangers fans here. The point is a huge point is made of the sectarian problem while glossing over the fact that racism is a much bigger problem.

.Are they not closely linked?

I mean your average Union Flag waving bigot hates Blacks, Aisans and Catholics.

Ever seen a protest by English Defence League on telly? Last one I saw was not short of both Blacks and Asians or flag waving? And as a Catholic I now plenty of flag waving Catholics i do not think I would call any of them bigots. Although that would depend on your how wide ranging your definition was.

your average Union Flag waving bigot hates

Sd-253 – You are taking this out of context.

I do not think anyone who waves a Union Flag is a bigot.

What I should of written is “your average bowler hat wearing, orange sash wearing, Union Flag waving bigot hates……”

I’m not sure if you’re having a dig at BNP supporters or Rangers fans here.

Neither. I am having a go at the awful excuse for humanity that I have seen marching around the streets of Glasgow, hearts full of hatred and bellies full of cheap beer and buckfast, under some “Religous” pretence. The fact that a lot of them may be both BNP members and Rangers fans is incidental.

My fault SD -253 didn’t see the”of Scotland”.

Should be fun today.

When I say fun. I’m more implying grim resignation at further imminent arguing, propaganda, scare stories, flippant disregard for reality etc etc etc

That applies to both sides of the argument.

When I say fun. I’m more implying grim resignation at further imminent arguing, propaganda, scare stories, flippant disregard for reality etc etc etc

How’s this then?

The Hidden Costs of Independence[/url]

Two conclusions may be drawn from the above analysis. The first is that core elements of the Scottish Government’s approach to independence are based on assumptions which are highly questionable in law. The second is that the costs of independence may be considerably greater than has generally been understood.

The Book of Dreams….. 😉 Winston?

So the very polite Mr Carney neatly summed things up today with

“In short, a durable, successful currency union requires some ceding of national sovereignty.

…and here we were thinking this was about independence???.

http://eutopialaw.com/2013/11/28/scotlands-future-in-the-eu/
Professor Armstrongs blog

Even in currency union Scotland will still have much greater control over its economic policy than it does at the moment.

…and here we were thinking this was about independence???.

You keep making this point, but I don’t buy it. If you’re in the EU then you have to abide by their rules and regulations so none of the EU member states are independent either?

There’s always going to be some compromise and I reckon that arguing about semantics of whether a state is independent based on what other obligations, treaties and unions it has is missing the bigger picture and not very helpful.

There’s always going to be some compromise and I reckon that arguing about semantics of whether a state is independent based on what other obligations, treaties and unions it has is missing the bigger picture and not very helpful.

The cynic would call that a convenient avoidance of some pretty fundamentally important factors. If we have a look over at the Eurozone, we can see the type of compromises that have to be made when countries cede their economic policies – Greece being a pretty good example!

Worth remembering that up till not long ago, Salmond’s plan was all for the benefits of Euro membership too…

Yes they are, we (the UK) have our own monetary and fiscal policy for example. The periphery states in Europe do not. Scotland will cede nationally over monetary and fiscal policy if it chooses to be part of a currency union. That is the clear lesson of any currency union and the message from Carney today. So, in the context of a currency union with rUK, it is not true to claim that under independence (as proposed) that Scotland will have freedom to choose its own economic policy – (which to me is what independence is about. )

Whether Scotland would have slightly more power (gordi’s argument) is a mute point especially give the experiences in € land. But given that you already have powers to set tax +/- 3% of current uk tax rates, one wonders (a) why wee eck hasn’t done this already and (b) what is the difference?

The Scottish Parliament only has the power to very income tax IIRC. New powers will be developed in 2016, but only on a few areas, nothing like full tax setting powers.

Economic policy is obviously a huge part of being independent, but to suggest that it’s the only thing would be wrong.

Tbc, I am not suggesting that this is the only part of being independent but as polls explaining voters’ motivation show it is one of the more important!

I would be happy if the bias of claiming economic independence was, at the very least “qualified”.

whatnobeer – Member
…and here we were thinking this was about independence???.
You keep making this point,

Seems like quite a lot of others are doing the same thing today! Are they biased? (See the broadsheets, BBC etc)

but I don’t buy it.

Not sure there is much choice. As the FT sums it up today (with suitable distain and bias!) – you can’t have your oat cake and eat it! Perhaps now the SNP can stop deceiving folk about monetary and fiscal independence and what havering a lender of last resort actually means?

teamhurtmore – Please stop scaremongering with your facts and knowledge of how financial systems work. the Scots want their FRREEEEDDDOOOOOMMMM!

No they don’t

. winston_dog – Member
teamhurtmore – Please stop scaremongering with your facts and knowledge of how financial systems work. the Scots want their FRREEEEDDDOOOOOMMMM.

To all you jocks out there please please please vote yes. Then you won’t be able to blame the English for everything and anything. I’M JOKING OF COURSE YOU WILL STILL BLAME US FOR YOUR CAR NOT STARTING IN THE MORNING OR THE WEATHER ETC. BUGGER OF! please, pretty please

To all you jocks out there please please please vote yes. Then you won’t be able to blame the English for everything and anything. I’M JOKING OF COURSE YOU WILL STILL BLAME US FOR YOUR CAR NOT STARTING IN THE MORNING OR THE WEATHER ETC. BUGGER OF! please, pretty please

Oh dear. Chip on your shoulder?

THM is capable of having a debate (mostly 😉 )without flinging around this sort of shite, why cant you and winston? Got bored and decided to troll instead?

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/snp-accept-currency-union-means-loss-of-powers-1-3286692

And I’m sure an unbiased take from

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/referendum/8660-bank-of-england-will-implement-any-currency-agreement-says-carney