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  • 2015-16 rugby, world cup year
  • dantsw13
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    Mako V
    Hartley
    Brooke’s
    Atwood
    Launchbury
    Robshaw
    Mccaffrey
    Billy V

    Care
    Ford
    Burrell
    Daley(Slade b4 leg break)
    Ashton
    May
    Watson

    ekul
    Free Member

    M Vunipola
    J George
    K Brookes
    Attwood
    Launchbury
    Itoje
    O’Connor
    Beaumont

    Simpson
    Ford
    May
    Nowell (I know I know but I reckon he could do a job there, and the alternatives aren’t exactly demanding selection)
    Joseph/Daly
    Watson
    Brown

    12 scares the living daylights out of me tbh. Burrell is in awful form, 12Ts isn’t even playing 12 for his club that much any more and in the games I watch in the AP no one else is really putting their hand up, apart from maybe that chap at Irish (Williams is it?). Hence my selection of Nowell, everyone moans about him not having the pace for wing but he’s tough, a strong runner who always seems to beat the first man, defensively sound and seems to make the right decisions all the time. Really impressive at 13 for the Chiefs and see no reason why he couldn’t make that move inside.

    Tbh at the moment the way Farrell is playing I wouldn’t even be too bothered if Jones played him at 12.

    wrecker
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    Williams looked good today. I like ekul’s selection but whoever plays 8 is just keeping the shirt warm for Hughes once he qualifies and I wouldn’t let George Ford anywhere near an england shirt at present. Without a dominant pack, he’s rubbish.

    ekul
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    Yeah Hughes looks unbelievable, but as this was a 6Ns dream team I couldn’t include him! Haven’t got Billy V in as I think the back row will need to be more mobile than it has been and Beaumont is a good compromise until Hughes qualifies.

    I echo Wreckers concerns about Ford but I think I lot of his issues shouldn’t be there in an England shirt. He SHOULD be behind a fairly dominant pack and he should have options to get front foot ball. I think baths biggest issue at the moment is not having anyone to take the ball up in midfield and get quick, go forward ball to suck in defenders and create a quick platform. Baths midfield are awesome at broken field play but when there’s no options they don’t have anyone to truck it up and go again. For England Ford should have that. It doesn’t even need to be the 12, a quick mobile back row could answer that.

    dantsw13
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    So Bath need a big boshing inside centre?? Didn’t they have one of those, but played him at flanker.

    ekul
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    Not so much a centre, just a big carrying option. They had a couple but it completely backfired on them and they both left (Fearns and Burgess). Floew is an awesome player but not a big carrier and Houston isn’t quite the same this year.

    wrecker
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    Marler/Mullan
    Hartley/George
    Thomas?
    Slater/Lawes
    Launchbury/Attwood
    O Connor/Clifford
    Vunipola/Beaumont
    Robshaw/Itoge
    Care/Simpson
    Farrell/Cipriani
    Nowell/Rokoduguni
    Burrell/Williams
    JJ/Daly (can we play both?)
    Watson/Ashton
    Brown/?

    Similarities in the tighthead prop position as the inside centre berth; england have a large number of very good looseheads (Waller, Auterac, Mullan, Marler) but, seemingly nobody to challenge wilson or cole for the tight (and neither are good enough).
    Shame that Brookes and Slade are injured; they’d both be in otherwise.

    duckman
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    Bearing in mind the lofty ambitions they have (you were going to pump Wales and Oz and avoiding the cheating All Blacks meant anything could happen,remember?)it is heartening to see that the Engerland supporters are still in denial and a lot of them seem to think they have two international class players for every position. I am trying to think of one successful player in white..sorry; to “wear the red rose” from the campaign. Oh wait,got it; Launchbury won MotM 😛
    On a serious note,Burrell is justifying the logic of dropping him and Lawes,Cipriani and Marler the hinge aren’t good enough,either because of form just now or ever. Picking players because they didn’t play in the WC doesn’t mean they are any good.

    wrecker
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    Says the Scot 😆

    duckman
    Full Member

    Tell you what; we will lend you a 7 and a centre,we have a few spare.

    Kryton57
    Full Member

    Pity about the other 13 though.

    wrecker
    Free Member

    Tell you what; we will lend you a 7 and a centre,we have a few spare.

    I think we’ll be alright, but thanks. This conversation is probably better had after the 6 nations no?

    DanW
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    This conversation is probably better had after the 6 nations no?

    Could be better now…. the Scots have the potential for some big upsets (how many times do we hear that?!)…. but in truth will do very well to match their WC performances. Who knows, should be an interesting 6N

    wrecker
    Free Member

    match their WC performances

    Beating Japan, the USA and Samoa (just). Heady heights indeed.

    DanW
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    Beating Japan, the USA and Samoa (just). Heady heights indeed.

    If you extrapolate that logic to any of the home nations then they all hit pretty much the same heady heights. Scotland come out looking marginally better than England at that rate if anything! 😀

    This has all been done before but performance-wise they looked to really be getting their act together finally. More potential than ever recently but also probably more potential to let down the fans 😕 😀 They scored more points than any other home nation if I’m not mistaken too??? Interceptions count too! 😀

    tinybits
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    I’m amazed how poor a reputation Tom Youngs seems to have with any non Tigers supporter. His line out stats are as good as any, and better than most, seems to go brilliantly in the scrum with Leicester ( with Cole who’s also getting stic) despite being England’s only decent scrummager and thier best 7 at the World Cup) and is in a class of his own in open play.

    I also think that mostly the same players should / will perform so much better in the six nations it’ll shock a few (Scots included)

    That should get a bite…. 🙂

    Kryton57
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    I agree. I think there was a lot of shit flying about behind the scenes and basically the players were mentally in disarray. It seems the investigation has been forgotten about.

    anagallis_arvensis
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    Hartley is your best hooker.

    tinybits
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    Not a chance. Line outs no better, he pops up in the scrums and he’s not as mobile around the park, making fewer tackles, getting to fewer rucks and making less runs.

    He is a dick though if that helps?

    anagallis_arvensis
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    Great you make sure Youngs is picked.

    anagallis_arvensis
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    Wales then?
    Gethin
    Owens
    Lee
    Jones
    Davies/Charteris
    Lydiate
    Faletau
    Warburton
    Davies
    North
    Biggar
    Roberts
    Davies
    Cuthbert or Loopy Liam if fit.
    1/2p
    Evans
    Baldwin
    Jones
    Charters/Davies
    L Williams
    Patchel
    S Williams
    Anscombe

    Apparently 1/2p will moss all six nations and Loopy Liam and Anscombe struggling as is Amos so full back looks a real problem for Wales. Patchel has been playing 15 a fair bit so maybe him or Dan Evans.

    Scamper
    Free Member

    No messing around England-just stick kvesic at 7. 😉

    wrecker
    Free Member

    Hartley and George are both better than Youngs. Cole has struggled in the scrums (for eng at least) ever since the law change. I’ve put Slater in if that helps?

    mefty
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    He is a dick though if that helps?

    Defining feature of a good hooker.

    duckman
    Full Member

    Kryton57 – Member
    Pity about the other 13 though.

    Yup,but give Jones time,Rome wasn’t built in a day.

    anagallis_arvensis
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    This is the prennial problem for england. They need some short term pain to build good young experienced players. Look at players like Robshaw and Brown, been around a few years but not got half the experience of 1/2p or Warburton who are a couple of years younger whereas the england pair are more like 29. Its the same throughout the teams.

    anagallis_arvensis
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    Mark Cueto gets an mbe for services to whinning over disallowed tries and eye gouging.

    Kryton57
    Full Member

    Well here we are 4 weekends before the 6N, and England don’t have a team yet. Some players are out of contention with injuries, and some so called certs have been benched at club level in favour of better players (Hartley for one), some other players seem to be weaving to Eddie Jones style (Cipriani/Itoje/Kruis/Daly/Kvesic) attacking play.

    This is going to get interesting with Sarries unbeaten, Leicester going backwards and Exeter/Wasps/Quins/N’hamton all playing decent attacking rugby.

    About time he made some decisions…

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    N’hamton all playing decent attacking rugby.

    Really I must have missed that.

    Kryton57
    Full Member

    Yes sorry that was an error on my part.

    namastebuzz
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    A lot of pundits seem to be advocating a great number of Saracens players based on their totally dominant start to the season. THis is folly. Just because they’re the best club side doesn’t mean those players will do the same for England.

    I think Ron Greenwood tried the same with Liverpool players when they were masters of Europe – it didn’t work.

    Eddie Jones can’t possibly have time to know his best team by 6th February. It’ll have to be a work in progress this season.

    fathomer
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    Kryton57 – Member
    Leicester going backwards

    Apart from playing the best rugby they’ve played for years and only having lost two games all season?

    Granted we got humped at the weekend but then having rested a good chunk of the team it was kind of expected.

    Kryton57
    Full Member

    The EPS announcement isn’t scheduled until the 13th, leaving 2 weeks for squad to train together and learn their new coaches / style. I wouldn’t hope for much this 6N apart from some experimentation. England 3rd I in this tournament at best, probably 4th.

    Chips tipped as the 3rd FH, which I think is something Jones would go for.

    Pigface
    Free Member

    Yes a work in progress and is building for next WC there will be some losses some disasters etc, it is whether the paymasters will accept some defeats, whether the press will allow him the time to develop a team and most importantly whether england rugby fans can see the bigger picture or just turn on the team.

    Anyone see Dr Jaws tweet about Brown 😆

    Kryton57
    Full Member

    No, enlighten us?

    ekul
    Free Member

    Jamie Roberts @Jamiehuwroberts
    Dear the Welsh.This guy wants you to know he’s actually an alright bloke.he’s keen to improve Anglo-Welsh relations

    ekul
    Free Member

    To which Joe Marler and Mike Brown responded with the below

    Joe Marler ?@JoeMarler 7h7 hours ago
    .@Jamiehuwroberts nah mate, the Welsh have it right, he’s a sh*thouse bloke.

    mikebrown_15 7h7 hours ago
    @JoeMarler @Jamiehuwroberts the Welsh only like you because you helped them win a championship in 2013 #LickedOut @adamjones3 says thanks!

    DanW
    Free Member

    Eddie Jones can’t possibly have time to know his best team by 6th February. It’ll have to be a work in progress this season.

    I wouldn’t worry. They’ve scraped by without the head coach picking the team for a while now by all accounts 😀

    tinybits
    Free Member

    Agreed – the other thing to note is that there are only allowed something like 10 changes in the EPS – so wholesale changes simply aren’t on the cards. Do expect the injured – May, Manu, Slade etc to be picked though as there’s injury dispensation so you effectively get to try someone else out for free.

    I genuinely think it’ll be mostly the same squad, one or two notable absentees, and no real surprises. Then somehow they’ll start playing better than they were and will be touted as world beaters – util they loose to Wales and Ireland in which case we’ll be ‘learning lessons’ that somehow will let us sneak past a crap French side whereupon we’ll praise Eddy Jones for being a tactical genius!

    namastebuzz
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    …. somehow they’ll start playing better than they were and will be touted as world beaters – util they loose to Wales and Ireland in which case we’ll be ‘learning lessons’ that somehow will let us sneak past a crap French side whereupon we’ll praise Eddy Jones for being a tactical genius!

    That somehow appears to be an entirely likely scenario. 😆

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