[Closed] Women moaning about retirement age...

wot he ^^ said

we should never have given them the vote 😆

here, here

Yes of course, because it's so easy for a 60 year old woman to find a job.

In fact there is such a desperate shortage of available labour, that they should force everyone to work until they are at least 70.

I can't understand why youth unemployment stands at almost 1 million.

youth unemployment stands at 1million because 400,000 of the 500K Jobs that were created in the first quarter have been deservedly snapped up by immigrants who get off their butts and managed to find work.

Apparently despite not having jobs, many (by no means all) of our young people really don't see why they should take a job "beneath them" - it's much better to engage in a life of sloth.

Yes of course, because it's so easy for a 60 year old man or woman to find a job.

Sorted for you

Apparently despite not having jobs, many (by no means all) of our young people really don't see why they should take a job "beneath them" - it's much better to engage in a life of sloth.

it scares me a little that there are people out there that actually believe that crap.

are you allowed to drive a car/ operate machinery, stuff like that 😯

Yes of course, because it's so easy for anyone to find a job right now.

sorted for you

And they're off.

Farmer_John - Member

..... our young people really don't see why they should take a job "beneath them" - it's much better to engage in a life of sloth.

Have you ever met a "young person" Farmer_John ?

*digs out the biscuit tin despite today being the start of a new healthy eating effort*

*puts kettle on*

*puts feet up on desk*

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The most laughable part of this whole story is the way the media chose to report it. To paraphrase in summary, what has been said is basically:

'It is unfair that some women in their mid 50s will now have to work up to 18 months longer than they had expected'.

The corollary of that statement might be

'It is unfair that men have to work 18 months longer than women before being eligible for a pension they will, on average, draw down on five years less than women'.

The counter argument by some women’s groups is that there had been an expectation and planning based around a lower retirement age. Which is a bit like a white person in post apartheid South Africa complaining that some benefit they were previously entitled to this year has had to be pushed back by two years because there are now many more people that the government also needs to include.

Oi Phil - you can't do that! All the debating points in one post. 'snot fair

Which is a bit like a white person in post apartheid South Africa complaining ......

You noticed that too ?

When I first heard this story I thought, "this is just like the end of Apartheid"

Suck it up they should indeed!. I can't see why whilst my retirement age goes further into the future these women's shouldn't. To say they are old and nearer retirement is frankly another ageist build on an already ageist policy

I'm a woman, and I think we should have the same retirement age as men, seems ridiculous that we get to throw in the towel five years earlier - especially given that we tend to live longer.

I want equality - I want my boss to stop insisting that I'll defintitely want kids in the next five years. I want the same promotion and pay prospects as my male colleagues, without my bosses holding back because they think promoting me will be a waste of time because I'll probably quit work to drop a sprog. But I don't think you can ask for equality, apart from in situations where it doesn't suit you. Well, you can, but it makes you a massive tosser.

Troll fed...:P

we should never have given them the vote

Women have the vote? 😯
WTF? When did this happen? How did this happen?
It'll be driving licences next!!!! 😯 WTF is the world coming to????
Outfreakinrageous!!!

Women have the vote?
WTF? When did this happen? How did this happen?
It'll be driving licences next!!!! WTF is the world coming to????
Outfreakinrageous!!!

I want 6 months off work on half pay to pursue a lifestyle choice...

Every couple of years for about 10 years would be nice.

Women have the vote?
WTF? When did this happen? How did this happen?
It'll be driving licences next!!!! WTF is the world coming to????
Outfreakinrageous!!!

I know - who would have thought 50 years ago that Saudi Arabia would end up the last bastion of fairness and common sense ?

So with retirement ages creeping up and me being mid thirties, is there an equation that helps me work out how old I'll be when I finally meet retirement age? Please don't tell me it's n+1.

I want 6 months off work on half pay to pursue a lifestyle choice...

So with retirement ages creeping up and me being mid thirties, is there an equation that helps me work out how old I'll be when I finally meet retirement age? Please don't tell me it's n+1.

I can answer that one for you, if your working class you'll work until you die. Gets my goat stuff like this, at least you will be able to retire.

Why shouldn't you work until you die?

Sorry that sounds troll like.... what I'm trying to say is what is the history of retirement, when did 65 get set as the retirement age... I'm guessing early 50s.

Back to being a troll..... What's Brazilian/Russian/Indian/Chinese retirement policy ?

What is PGCE ? If I don't have to have babies it could be a goer...

End universal suffrage now!

The pension was introduced in something like the current form in 1926, when 34% of men lived long enough to claim it, 40% of women.

Why shouldn't you work until you die?

It was only a fluke of demographics that made living for years in idleness affordable. It never did make sense, and now people are racing mountainbike in their 70s they should be working too.

I intend to work until I drop. I'd go mad(der) without something to do.

I want 6 months off work on half pay to pursue a lifestyle choice...

Move to Finland then.

If you have a kid you get a year's paid leave, that you can divide between the mother or the father as you see fit. Then you can argue with your wife/partner about it 🙂

No, I want the time off work but not the kids !! Need to dust off that "How To Fake a Pregnancy and Get Away With It For Dummies". How difficult can it be ? Who checks medical certs anyway ??

Look tired and stressed all the time, sick all over clothes, I could just drink loads and party. Borrow a kid for the nauseating "bring the sprog into work for coo-ing" ritual.

TBH I'm surprised that 'retirement age' hasn't been the subject of a court case, or has it?

It's blatant sexual discrimination.

PGCE = learning to be a teacher

and yes, I've never understood why women got to retire first when they live longer and are obviously superior to men in every way (before you react, would you rather "sleep" with a man or a woman? There you go then)

The pension was introduced in something like the current form in 1926, when 34% of men lived long enough to claim it, 40% of women.

I'm surprised by that... and it leads to the questions

What was the life expectancy in the mid 20s BEFORE the discovery of Penicillin?

Guessing the avergage age was far lower too

Bored in work... looked myself

From this... in mid 1920 LE was about 55 (for men)... so 65 is ten year OLDER than that. Today LE is 75.

Women have the vote?
WTF? When did this happen? How did this happen?
It'll be driving licences next!!!! WTF is the world coming to????
Outfreakinrageous!!!

You think that's bad, I saw a police car being driven by a woman the other day! Whatever next.

Retirement age and nmortgages being 25 years were for much the same reasons - there wasn't the expectation that (1) people would spend up to a third of their life living off what they earned in the previous third and (2) houses were to be seen as investments.

Oh, hels, stop trolling - you find me a majority of employers who provide maternity pay at 50% of income for 6 months....

ernie_lynch - Member
Yes of course, because it's so easy for a 60 year old woman to find a job.

In fact there is such a desperate shortage of available labour, that they should force everyone to work until they are at least 70.

I can't understand why youth unemployment stands at almost 1 million.

In general a job someone with 45 years of experience will be good /want at is not the same job a school,leaver will be good at / want.

I think what amuses me most about discussions like these is the assumption that it's always OTHER PEOPLE causing the systemic issues we have....

Which is probably why we're in this mess in the first place.

I'm not trolling I'm deadly serious - in fact I'm going pillow shopping at lunchtime...

So with retirement ages creeping up and me being mid thirties, is there an equation that helps me work out how old I'll be when I finally meet retirement age? Please don't tell me it's n+1

I put it into the WHO calculator, seems you'll die before you get old

I'm not trolling I'm deadly serious

OK. So what you're saying is that in the limited world view of your work experiences you consider procreation to be a lifestyle choice but don't consider the wider implicaitons of this.

That's fine, but don't make your specific gripe a general rule.

Move to Saudi - women can't drive nor vote!

how is that relevant?

I can't understand why youth unemployment stands at almost 1 million.

Fact of life at the moment is that my daughter(teacher) and her partner(civil servant) would be better off (with 2 kids) not working than they are now. They see what some of their neighbours can afford and with first hand experience know what they could have that they cannot afford.

How long we all end up working will be irrelevant once the oil/gas and food resources have dried up 🙄 All this pension guff is just a diversionary tactic. We all know that oil/gas will run dry but no-one has their eye on food production.
Farming in this country is knackered
With droughts, floods, global unrest,emerging economies(China/Africa/Vietnam, Russia sometime)there is not enough food for us all.

Trekster - YOU ARE CRESSERS!!!

WE'RE ALL DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!! DOOMED I TELL THEE!! I claim my five english pounds

Aye...........................
But I am nearer the end than most on here......................
Drought darn sarf atm affecting food chain
ekin rain bouncing off the road here atm affecting crops/foo chain..... and my biking 🙄
Roll on Fri 😆

Trekster - Member

We all know that oil/gas will run dry but no-one has their eye on food production.
Farming in this country is knackered

I would agree with much of what you said here, but are you sure about the farming bit?

I'm banking on the fact that by the time I reach 'retirement age', the whole concept will be a quaint little relic from the olden days.

I imagine it being like Catch 22. When they raise the missions from 25 to 30 as he's flying his 25th, then they raise the missions from 30 to 35 as he's flying his 30th, and so on and so forth

I'm a woman, and I think we should have the same retirement age as men, seems ridiculous that we get to throw in the towel five years earlier

You don't, they're already in the process of moving the retirement age for women up to 65. The recent discussions are about moving the retirement age up a further year to 66

What annoys me about the whole thing is when we were applying for mortgages we were limited to the length of the mortgage we could take due to it taking my partner over the age of 65 even though the current projections say that he won't be entitled to retire until he is 67!

Farmer_John - Member

youth unemployment stands at 1million because 400,000 of the 500K Jobs that were created in the first quarter have been deservedly snapped up by immigrants who get off their butts and managed to find work.

Apparently despite not having jobs, many (by no means all) of our young people really don't see why they should take a job "beneath them" - it's much better to engage in a life of sloth.

woohoo six posts until we have a moronic and inaccurate rant more about the posters political posturing than the actual topic.

f_j - are you allowed out on your own?

Fact of life at the moment is that my daughter(teacher) and her partner(civil servant) would be better off (with 2 kids) not working than they are now. They see what some of their neighbours can afford and with first hand experience know what they could have that they cannot afford.

I am female and I do not think the retirement age should be any different neither does any other female here in the office I have just asked....

This is therefore probably a small group of hairy arm-pitted men haters clutching at something that allows them to have a moan about how s**t it is being female?

Besides working in the 3rd sector for the last 10 years I'm unable to afford to pay into my pension fund so I'm going to move to Africa to look after baby lions, live in a tent and hopefully die of malaria before I reach 60, dying in the arms of my 21 year old boyfriend with a large Chardonnay in my hand.

As you were.....

The recent discussions are about moving the retirement age up a further year to 66

So, similar to what they're doing / have done for the blokes?

...erm... about this 21 year old boyfriend....

I may have lied about my age 😉

but are you sure about the farming bit?

As of 2008, Britain was around 60% self sufficient, i.e. we needed to import 40% of our food. And we're a net importer - more comes in than goes out.

Detail here: [url] http://www.ifr.ac.uk/waste/Reports/DEFRA-Ensuring-UK-Food-Security-in-a-changing-world-170708.pdf [/url]

Yes, it does smack of "it's all gone top the dogs". The simpler answer is - yes, the baby boomers had it relatively easy (they take, on average, c120% of what they put into the system), but we are where we are so let's make the best of it rather than wringing our hands.

One of those things that we need to do is consider how we change our working practices. Few people consider they ahve a job for life. Many more will need to consider having portfolio careers. Investment in training is essential.

Trouble is, we all think like hels - like islands. We can't assume the status quo will apply to us and rely on everyone else changing to accomodate that.

Darling sorry but I'm not taking you, I've tried camping with you and I couldn't do it for more than 2 nights even with separate blow up mattresses.

Besides the sun would play havoc with your English rose complexion.

Awotwi will be along for my things later x

Awotwi making his way over to grab yo misses binners!!

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From this... in mid 1920 LE was about 55 (for men)... so 65 is ten year OLDER than that. Today LE is 75

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, by those figures are life expectancy from birth which are fantastically misleading if you want to know how long people live after retirement.
As a gross simplification lets say you live in a country where half the children born die within the first year, but if you make it past that first year, everyone lives to 100. This gives a life expectancy of ~50 years, despite the fact that anyone aged 50 would live another 50 years.
What you need are stats that give life expectancy at 55 years to get a better feel for how much longer people are living for. Stats at birth don't tell you anything useful.

Look how handsome he is in pink *fans self*

The recent discussions are about moving the retirement age up a further year to 66

So, similar to what they're doing / have done for the blokes?

Yes, anyone born after 1960 will have the same retirement age regardless of gender. The new proposals affect retirement age for those born between 1953 and 1960.

In light of this they're trying to stress the importance of planning for retirement and then at the same time trying to change the pensions of those in the public sector who have planned for retirement...

What made me smile was a radio interview with a lady from some organisation who stressed that:

some women of a certain age were going to have to work 2 years longer than expected and have only been given 7 years notice.

To my mind that's enough notice! 😕

To my mind that's enough notice!

😆

EDIT: fair point, i was applying the rational to the irrational - still much to learn I feel!

So the answer is drink, smoke, party and make merry.
Ignore any and all medical advise re: not smoking, drinking and generally making merry.
Tell the kids not to expect an inheritance and/or childcare for their children 'cos you'll be brown breaded before you retire 😆

Of course what with life cover I'm worth more dead than alive but shhhhh don't tell the kids

don't know if this has already been mentioned, by those figures are life expectancy from birth which are fantastically misleading if you want to know how long people live after retirement.
As a gross simplification lets say you live in a country where half the children born die within the first year, but if you make it past that first year, everyone lives to 100. This gives a life expectancy of ~50 years, despite the fact that anyone aged 50 would live another 50 years.
What you need are stats that give life expectancy at 55 years to get a better feel for how much longer people are living for. Stats at birth don't tell you anything useful.

nor does your post! 😉

So the answer is drink, smoke, party and make merry

Well smoking is now pretty limited, latest health advice out today is that if you are over 65 you shouldn't drink more than a half a day, wahat's left to be merry about?

Oh and has already been said, we've all got sucked into the belief that a comfortable retirement was a right and realistic. In reality it's not that economically viable unless you save significant amounts of money through out your working life which most of us either can't (or won't) do. The private sector is already feeling this reality, the public sector still seem to believe there is a bottomless pit of money to pay their pensions (and if I worked in the public sector I'd be fighting to retain my current T & Cs as well), unfortunately the plain reality is there isn't. The idea that private sector pensions should be brought up to the quality of public sector pensions is very laudable but not really based in economic reality.

ourmaninthenorth - Member

As of 2008, Britain was around 60% self sufficient, i.e. we needed to import 40% of our food. And we're a net importer - more comes in than goes out.

I don't dispute that at this time we import food (though IIRC we now import far less than we did in the 1930s!) but do we "need" to if we were to only eat UK grown/reared food I think its possible we would survive.
Take wheat as an example in the 1960's we imported nearly 1/2 our wheat now we are a net exporter

but do we "need" to if we were to only eat UK grown/reared food I think its possible we would survive.

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Oh stop, my sides will split.

Not a hope I'm afraid. Maybe if we went GM now [b]and had 20 years notice[/b], while ploughing huge funds into upping efficiency (that would make post-war mechanisation look like chicken feed), removed any and all environmental considerations like hedgerow conservation or townie mega-farm handwringing or water run-off considerations, and forced supermarkets to accept bendy carrots etc.

Move to Saudi - women can't drive nor vote!

I believe that men don't get a vote in Saudi Arabia either, so at least they're being scrupulously fair in that respect.

I didn't say it would be easy or everything we have now would remain, I said "Its possible we would survive"

If the figures of 40% imported food are correct, how much do we waste? Many of us probably eat too much? How much of what we import is fancy stuff? By the time we take out those amounts what is the shortfall??

As you say attitudes are going to have to change, hope your sides have stopped hurting 😉

Oh and can we get them to play/win 3 sets in in Tennis?

(that way we enjoy tennis watching...yes...) 😈

Yes - plough up Wibbleydon and plant crops (please)...

Move to Saudi - women can't drive nor vote!

Oh stop, my sides will split.

Good, that'll be one less to feed 😉

Move to Saudi - women can't drive nor vote!

just cos it's gone to 2 pages on a slow day -this isn't worth reading is it? yes women age just like men. yes women are just as capable as men. retire 'em just like men. so what?

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, by those figures are life expectancy from birth which are fantastically misleading if you want to know how long people live after retirement.

just cos it's gone to 2 pages on a slow day -this isn't worth reading is it?

Retirement's a stupid concept really. Work when you're in your prime, to fund yourself once you're old and decrepit, assuming you live that long. On the other hand we have young people trying to find work and failing, largely on the grounds that they're immature idiots. I was, luckily I got to spend that time pissing about at uni instead of being hopelessly illequipped to deal with the adult world.

So let's do school til 18, piss about til we're 30 running up immense debts, then work til we die.

Actually sod it, I should do that anyway, my odds of having a long healthy retirement are pretty bloody awful but my odds of having a laugh on a bike if I just don't go to work tomorrow are not bad at all

don't try and confuse me with yer stats clarification!

I think the idea is you work longer to provide for the lazy arsed women that you've married. 😛