Why are you atheists so angry?

PhilAmon is a proper believer, we tried to out him as a rabid homophobe using AdamW as the bait. Didnt work, he’s a nice fella.

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no one on here is saying those things about homosexual or you

Our evangelist essentially said, paraphrasing, “I’m not homophobic, but if you wanted to find god you’d have to put all that behind you and leave your husband and pray to god that he sorts that out for you.”

The Book Of Dave…

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2006/may/27/fiction.hayfestival2006

Our evangelist essentially said, paraphrasing, “I’m not homophobic, but if you wanted to find god you’d have to put all that behind you and leave your husband and pray to god that he sorts that out for you.

yeah, that’s pretty different from saying that they should be killed

Jeremiah 29:13 – “You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.”

1 Chronicles 28:9 – “…If you seek him, he will be found by you…”

So until you’ve tested God by the above, you can’t genuinely say He doesn’t exist.

that settles that then. oh actually no it doesn’t. the existence/ non-existence debate does not have to follow rules written in a pro-god book.

What I was meaning is, to test for oneself the existence of God why not ‘challenge’ Him using his own words/promises?

I’d rather watch paint dry…

What I was meaning is, to test for oneself the existence of God why not ‘challenge’ Him using his own words/promises?

Based on the number of religions with similar claims wouldn’t you end up having to do this for the rest of your life?

Well, not from religious standpoint anyway.

No you are right they are just lovely to non believers and those who dont follow their 3 thousand year old moral code. Th ebibkle sppeak s of tolerance at all times and there is no fore , brimstons or vengenace there at all …my mistake.

What I was meaning is, to test for oneself the existence of God why not ‘challenge’ Him using his own words/promises?

I’d rather read a good novel, or spend time with my children, or enjoy a meal with my wife, or go cycling. Anything, frankly than talk to a big imaginary man in the sky who demands my obedience or he’s going to send me to burn in hell.

yeah, that’s pretty different from saying that they should be killed

Don’t worry, the “Good Book” takes care of that:

“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” — Leviticus 20:13 (KJV)

It’s not too hot on transsexuals (or victims of unfortunate industrial accidents) either:

“No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the LORD.” — Deuteronomy 23:1 (ESV)

Lovely.

Probably best not to swear at your parents either:

“For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.” — Leviticus 20:9 (KJV)

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“No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the LORD.”

I would have thought they’d need all the help they can get. Poor form.

I can’t be arsed reading back – anyone brought up the anthropomorphisation of this God being yet…?

who demands my obedience or he’s going to send me to burn in hell

God granted Man free will. Obedience is a choice. Faith in Him is a choice.

You can choose living in obedience to Him (in a similar way that you’d hope your own children be obediet to you), or reject Him.

Assuming God is real, of course 😉

Oh. So now it’s an assumption…

joao3v16: genuine question, how do you reconcile using “the word of God” as the basis of your logic (as you did above) when the you (presumably) don’t follow the words of God that I quoted here?

Do you only follow the good bits?

Given the probability of the bible being

a] The word of god
b] The writings of men

i’m going to go for “god not real”

You can choose living in obedience to Him (in a similar way that you’d hope your own children be obediet to you)…

[sarcasm] I can see the parallels between children having faith that their parents exist when they get another rollicking for making a mess with the toothpaste and having faith in a god. [/sarcasm]
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Do you only follow the good bits?

no I do what the bible says and its is worlking as treat in israel I thik you will find

‘Keep all my decrees and laws and follow them, so that the land where I am bringing you to live may not vomit you out. 23 You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going to drive out before you. Because they did all these things, I abhorred them. 24 But I said to you, “You will possess their land; I will give it to you as an inheritance, a land flowing with milk and honey.” I am the LORD your God, who has set you apart from the nations.

I wouldn’t want a sticky smelly land, to be honest.

Although if there’s a nice bit of cheese about I could be tempted.

A land flowing with milk and honey will get very messy very quickly.

Ed. Gah, beaten to it. Sod.

its is worlking as treat in israel I thik you will find

Aren’t they supposed to kill everyone without mercy?

“the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations more numerous and mightier than yourselves, 2 and when the LORD your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them, then you must devote them to complete destruction. You shall make no covenant with them and show no mercy to them.” — Deuteronomy 7:1-2 (ESV)

(Incidentally, http://www.evilbible.com is a great source for this stuff)

What I was meaning is, to test for oneself the existence of God why not ‘challenge’ Him using his own words/promises?

again, you are asking us to test something using a method prescribed to aid the belief in it’s own existence. i don’t believe in god, so i’m not going to use god’s words or promises to test this. that would be ridiculous.

anyway. peace to you all.

Th ebibkle sppeak s of tolerance at all times and there is no fore , brimstons or vengenace there at all …my mistake.

That is all old testament, there was supposed to be a new covenant after Christ. If you got a problem with the old testament you need to go complain to the Jews.

again, you are asking us to test something using a method prescribed to aid the belief in it’s own existence. i don’t believe in god, so i’m not going to use god’s words or promises to test this. that would be ridiculous

But that is exactly the way to test it. So if no God, then his way is just made up and you don’t find him. If there is a God, then his way would work and you would find him.

That is all old testament, there was supposed to be a new covenant after Christ. If you got a problem with the old testament you need to go complain to the Jews.

So, lets get this straight:

The christians should rip out the old testament and throw it away. The new testament is a new covenant with Jesus that makes it redundant (BTW I have heard this before from a christian friend)?

If so then we can ignore all arguments pro- and anti- that come from the old testament?

I’m determined now that we’ll get to a thousand 🙂

I’m determined now that we’ll get to a thousand

Well, here you go, never let it be said I’m not willing to do my bit to help.

Yes Charlie I hadn’t noticed christianity had junked the old testament.

If you got a problem with the old testament you need to go complain to the Jews.

Jesus was a Jew……in fact Jesus was THE Jew.

Look it’s all dead simple.

If your prejudices agree with part of the bible you can take it literally – kill all homosexuals.

If your view is contradictory to the bible then that bit is not meant to be taken literally – Blessed are the cheesemakers

If the part of the bible is self contradictory or plain batshit crazy you either ignore it completely or say it’s an analogy or an error or misunderstanding – Stone your kids if they are rude

Politics is the same all over even when it’s disguised as faith.

This has been discussed on here before. I’m sure of it. Trying to remember who won last time.

Jesus was a Jew……in fact Jesus was THE Jew

Then how come he had a Mexican name?

Ooooh LOLing at myself for getting that joke into this thread!

If you got a problem with the old testament you need to go complain to the Jews.
Jesus was a Jew……in fact Jesus was THE Jew.

Actually I think he may have been a Christian too.

But that is exactly the way to test it. So if no God, then his way is just made up and you don’t find him. If there is a God, then his way would work and you would find him.

my friend is a genius btw way, but the only way to test this is to ask the question that i give you to ask him. and if he doesn’t know the answer to that specific question then yes, he is not a genius.
that’s called a parable btw. Atheists can use them too.

but enough, i feel like i’m being trolled.

Actually I think he may have been a Christian too.

Don’t get that. He worshipped himself? People who came after him (his disciples) are christians. He was the alleged christ of the, erm, ‘ians’. 😀

The christians should rip out the old testament and throw it away. The new testament is a new covenant with Jesus that makes it redundant (BTW I have heard this before from a christian friend)?

If so then we can ignore all arguments pro- and anti- that come from the old testament?

Depends who you are arguing with really. But the story goes that God made a new deal when he sent Christ down, he’d be more of a forgiving God and less of the fire and brimstone.

I think there is a sliding scale of opinion wrt the OT. Some folks reckon it was just allegorical others think that it was and is all completely true other folks are somewhere in between. The differences vary both between and within faiths and flavours of Christianity

That is all old testament, there was supposed to be a new covenant after Christ. If you got a problem with the old testament you need to go complain to the Jews.

ay yes I keep forgetting its a different god obviously that all the children of abraham worship despite all having the same book of god – And some say it is a bit illogical eh

Perhaps you could you tell me the bit whwere Jesus recants the decress of god that god said we should all follow ?
It is unequivocal even if some christians/jews/muslims want to cherry pick the tolerant bits of the faith

I’m determined now that we’ll get to a thousand

Right behind you pushing he said in a cheap sexual innuendo way 😉

PS DR CM well done you are doing more than most to get to the thousand you are right the forum needs stuff like this ..I recant

EDIT: sorry work got in the way hence the debate has moved on since i last looked

But the story goes that God made a new deal when he sent Christ down, he’d be more of a forgiving God and less of the fire and brimstone.

So he admitted his actions were wrong and promised to change?

The differences vary both between and within faiths and flavours of Christianity

If they can’t even agree on the basis of their beliefs in the same god, clearly he is not doing a very good job of guiding them.

If they can’t even agree on the basis of their beliefs in the same god, clearly he is not doing a very good job of guiding them.

Or maybe said god is a fan of free will.

Or maybe said god is a fan of free will.

“Believe in me or you’ll go to hell” – what’s so free about that?

iDave – Member
This has been discussed on here before. I’m sure of it. Trying to remember who won last time.

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Please make it stop! 🙄

iDave – Member
This has been discussed on here before. I’m sure of it. Trying to remember who won last time.

I was coming to that conclusion as well. Didn’t we manage to get it to look back to the beginning of the thread so it went on forever

EDIT: Found it and I think it was actually you who one in the end

iDave – last poster
Good random stuff = god’s hand
Bad random stuff = the devil himself
With god allowing it all to happen for your own good

God people have a cop-out answer for everything from

But it only got to 674