Tottenham Riots

Oh you silly, silly naive relativist; sadly I’ve known, lived with, and watched junkies die their sordid, sad lives. Dealers are parasitic scum living off their own communities and should not be mourned for a minute. “Positive aspect of his life.” **** that, I can only imagine you’re still grooving to your Gary Glitter discs and bemoaning the cruelty of all those nasty judgemental types.

Do what?

Where did I say a ‘dealer should be mourned’? Where?

What I did say, which you obverussly din’t read through all your steaming bile, was that maybe those who lost a loved member of their family might have wanted to pay tribute to someone they saw some good in. Don’t they have the right to do so? I dare say those close to Tony Blair will want to commemorate his life when he passes…

As for the rest of your post; go and have a lie down. Sounds like you need it.

What I did say, which you obverussly din’t read through all your steaming bile, was that maybe those who lost a loved member of their family might have wanted to pay tribute to someone they saw some good in.

No mate, no steaming bile just no time for dealers. If a family wants to cvelebrate their beloved dealer-in-the-family and the luxuries their death pimping bring, well, **** ’em too. (And no, no time for arms dealers, investment bankers etc either; soulless, exploitative capitalists – whichever side of the ‘law’ they operate on – *can* be judged for the scumbags they are.)

No seriously, please go and have a lie down. You must be very tired. You’ll do yourself a mischief if you carry on being so wound up.

Are you constipated?

I have reached the conclusion that “ilovemygears” is actually a very clever troll, possibly one of the other regulars in disguise, who has initiated a situation in which all the “Daily Mail” flogem-and-hangem tendencies can exercise their need to froth at the mouth, and also expose the damaged crippled underbelly of modern Britain that is represented here in microcosm. The upside is that they also get exposed to a reasoned level of rebuttal, which may have the chance of penetrating their knee-jerk, emotional response defences.

I mean:

they need a quality eduction provided by the state. Class dosent effect youre IQ.

This so heavily laced with intelligent irony that I just can’t believe the writer isn’t a comedy genius.

Troll of the year. My hat. Off.

Yeah but troll or not; I find it a bit disturbing that there are genuinely people out there who are that ignorant and blinkered.

I think the quote that Flashy posted is very poignant indeed. 🙁

Yes.

The whole incident will now be subject to intense scrutiny by the IPCA. If that’s not justice I don’t know what is.

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Anyone?

Given that the media has recently been awash with stories about police corruption, and that these regular indications of the fact that venality and self-interest are as endemic within the police force as anywhere else and that, as Elfin says, even nice “white” middle-class people are unlikely to automatically trust the police these days:

Yes, you don’t know what justice is.

How’s that?

It will be interesting to see what the truth actually is here about the shot man.

Youth worker Michelle Jackson, 43, …………….

“I knew the person that was shot, he’s a really nice guy, and they’re making him out to be some kind of gangster involved in guns and all that kind of stuff.

Indeed.

“They’re making their presence known because people are not happy,” she said. “This guy was not violent. Yes, he was involved in things, but he was not an aggressive person.”

To be fair, Teej, people do tend to come forward and say positive things about someone who’s just died.

At the end of it all, there’s 4 young children who have lost their daddy. Whatever the whys and wherefores, we, as a society, ought to be working together to ensure their futures are brighter and more positive.

This thread doesn’t suggest that such a thing is about to miraculously happen though. 🙁

Indeed – they always do. It will be interesting tho when the truth comes out as it will.

it is easier to be critical than correct

No seriously, please go and have a lie down. You must be very tired. You’ll do yourself a mischief if you carry on being so wound up.

Why do you think I’m wound up? You’re not very good at reading people so I’d stop trying to do it – you’re onto a loser on that path.

Pleased you can keep sidestepping reality; some people need other means to do so but for you it seems natural.

The plot thickens..

The bullet which was found lodged in the radio of one of the officers at the scene is still undergoing forensic tests. But reliable sources have said the first ballistics examinations suggested it was a police issue bullet.

These are very distinct as the Metropolitan Police uses dum dum type hollowed out bullets designed not to pass through an object.

The early suggestion from the IPCC was that the Met officers had returned fire after someone in the minicab opened fire. But the result of the ballistics early test suggests both shots fired came from the police

yup lefty muck stirring channel4 news was hinting at the same thing earlier
confidence in the met is so low with regards to killing people and then issuing missinformation/lying about it afterwards that these rumours are likely to stick with a lot of people

If early reports are to be believed its kicking off in Enfield as I type.

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kimbers – Member

yup lefty muck stirring channel4 news

Yeah, the muck should be left where it is, eh?

i should have added a 😉 im a fully paid up whining guardian reading john snow fanboy

rainbow im guessing you chose your username because of your inclusive diversity loving nature http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBT_movement)

That is the Government for you opening the doors for scums and dead beats, I feared for the future in UK as this country is ruined now.

😆

{Rainbow’s post quote removed – Mod}

You think you’re worried about the future of our country? Try being us reading that.

rainbow. rainbow rainbow rainbow.

rainbow.

edit. He isn’t saying what I think he is saying is he?

Nah; surely nobody could be that thick??

either spectacularly stupid or spectacularly ignorant.

a friend of ours in Enfield has just seen 20 hooded and masked people walk past their house on Ladysmith Road headed into Enfield Town

why, why, why………..

i can only hope for local resdents sake that these gangs are dealt with promptly by the Police to minimise intimidation and damage to the local law abiding residents

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http://www.enfieldindependent.co.uk/news/localnews/9182622.Clashes_resume_in_Enfield_Town_as_police_attacked/

Did he really say that? Is this 1972? What an utter twunt!!!

Seems as if Enfield is kicking off and some rioters have arrived by BIKE.

http://www.enfieldindependent.co.uk/news/9182568.Clashes_between_rioters_and_police_in_Enfield_Town/?ref=mr

If anyone is planning on a night of rioting and mayhem, could you please pick me up a pair of black Adidas Samba Classic, size 42?

Thanks in advance.

Is there an Evans in Enfield?

What that shop for big lasses?

Have you put on weight, Dunt? 😯

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Is it kicking off tonight again?

Almost certainly. It’ll be like the last wave of riots in the 80’s. It will become a summer fad with lots of media hand-wringing going on.

mmm … as a good guardian reader, I’ve been watching c4 news – lots of talk of inner city areas being a ‘tinderbox’, followed by the inevitable political point scoring about ‘why’. Just made me think about the ‘location assumptions’ that exist – ie if you live in certain places you must be a violent criminal, whereas in other places the police are more likely to assume you’re a fine upstanding member of society.

Used to happen all the time when I lived in Leeds – if you walked through chapeltown you’d often get stopped and searched for no particular reason, but as soon as you’d crossed over to headingley or chapel allerton, you were fine. Same person, looking / acting the same – but in one location regularly stopped by the police and in others you weren’t. Maybe the continous differential treatment people get in different places leads to some of the ‘tinderbox’ that politicians are so keen to refer to.

I’ve noticed it even more since I’ve lived in rural backwaters of Scotland and Wales – despite living in inner city Leeds for years, the only place I’ve been shot at or threatened with a gun has been in Scotland. And the police reaction has been completely different – no armed response unit swooping down, just the local bobby strolling down to have a look and going ‘ah yes, slightly different angle and it would have gone through the back of your head rather than just shooting out the rear windscreen – I’ll go up tomorrow and have a chat’

maybe we need to consider how we treat people and communities, and how that then affects how they react?

I’m just off out to start a riot so I can loot me a new cooker, it aint my fault guv, society made me do it.

Seems tonight’s trouble is more about youths having a do with the fuzz rather than any significant ‘political’ statement. Quite possibly some of those from last night fancying another night of grabbing stuff and having a buzz. Riots are very exciting and the adrenaline rush is tremendous.

A lot of anger out there though. And where? Seems to be concentrated in the more deprived areas, unsurprisingly.

it aint my fault guv, society made me do it

Of course individuals should have a grasp on social responsibility, but shoon’t we be looking at why some don’t seem to have any sense of such responsibility, rather than getting all angry and condemning others?

Those idiots out there tonight are causing untold damage to society, not just a few shops etc. But maybe they just see it as a buzz, having a laugh, having a bit of power. I think the key is to harness that energy and use it in more positive and productive ways, because it can be done.

Not the easiest task when there are fewer decent jobs, prospects, opportunities and possibilities, and more frustration, resentment and fear.

I woon’t want to be a young person growing up in an urban area right now.

harness that energy and use it in more positive and productive ways, because it can be done.

like rebuilding the homes and shops they have destroyed