[Closed] Thatcher's died according to BBC

theres some very sad people here today.

..and some pretty happy ones

I'm quite glad that people have been honest about how they feel. No faux shock over here to fit in with some kind of perceived need to demonstrate compassion even though you don't [b]really[/b] mean it. People genuinely hate her and are prepared to say it, people don't tend to do that, to express that negative side to themselves without a very good reason. It actually increases my respect for them.

Elected over 3 Terms. Got a real grip of the country and made some tough decisions. Forget the Miners strikes what about Northern Ireland? You lot really do go around with your blinkers on! If it doesn't affect you, you're not bothered. probably lived where you were born all you lives with nowt better to whine about. Shame on you. She made a difference, what have you done for the greater good? Nothing, apart from man your keyboards! RIP Maggie x

theres some very sad people here today.

Well that's understandable, quite a few people admired her.

Popocatapetl - Member
Forget the Miners strikes what about Northern Ireland?

What about it?

Forget the Miners strikes what about Northern Ireland? You lot really do go around with your blinkers on!

I thought the Tories had to sack her before John Major could start peace talks with the IRA ?

what about Northern Ireland

Lifer, you should have been racing in the national, as you're a proper Jockey fella! Take your blinkers off and stop living in your little Village.

No faux shock over here to fit in with some kind of perceived need to demonstrate compassion even though you don't really mean it.

I agree.

But there is a world of difference between avoiding displays of false compassion, and some of the vindictive bile that's been posted on here.

Oh dear, all the Jockeys are out tonight 🙄

Sessomah, you wouldn't happen to be catholic by any chance? 🙄

A loathsome, vicious, cruel and vindictive creature died today. Good **** riddance.
Try and find the humour there if you can but I wouldn't bother.

I know I could if I tried.. but I won't 😀

The way I see it she has gotten her way though.. left her dark legacy

She has a voice.. We have somehow ended up in a right wing country again.. The tory triumph.. her diseased and cowardly minions peddle their smut from the safety of their keyboards, desperate for love and attention, for joy, for power.. hiding their shame in the digital white noise, growing in volume and religious fervour as they flock together.. an army of furious gollums that has cruelly spawned a generation of bulging eyed youths with veins throbbing at the temples and reptilian greed dulling their eyes..

The new brown shirts, hatefully devouring the bile and regurgitating it with a bitter adolescent resentment as they dolefully gulp down the myth that there may be someone weaker out there who is getting more than them..

And so she can rest as her dystopian nightmare has come to fruition.. her earthly body crumbling to dust to blow away on the breeze and choke us all with hopelessness.. her pestilence deep within every soul as love and friendship rot and are replaced with greed and arrogance..

The devil's final sigh of relief that good does not triumph over evil

“Never apologise for showing feeling. When you do so, you apologise for the truth.”
? Edmund Burke

Popocatapetl - Member
Sessomah, you wouldn't happen to be catholic by any chance?

look poppa you have been challenged to explain what you think thatcher did in NI as no one can see what your claim is. Rather than insult people do you think you could explain what you meant?

you can call me blinkered but i still dont[ nor do many otheres] know WTF you mean

Can we clarify if there are any horse riders in tonight by any chance?

Popocatapetl - Member
Lifer, you should have been racing in the national, as you're a proper Jockey fella! Take your blinkers off and stop living in your little Village.

En anglais?

you can call me blinkered

I might do a little LOL if he does given all the "jockeys" comments. 🙂

EDIT: Oh shit, he sort of did call Lifer blinkered. 😐

I don't think this is just people venting at their keyboards. My wife was doing a ward round when the news came in and a spontaneous cheer broke out with one of the patients chanting 'No Poll Tax!' I think it is pretty telling that there are people on here who completely fail to understand the devastating effect the Thatcher government had on parts of the country. She was and is genuinely hated by large parts of the population especially outside of the affluent South.

En anglais?

You rode in the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe?

I've quite a few mates that stay up in ayrshire (newmilns/cumnock/dalmellington) who were teenagers in the 80's and who's parents endured the legacy of Thatchers economic policies - i'm just off the phone to a mate in Newmilns who stays right in the centre of town and and he hung his phone out the window - all i heard was chants and singing, i guess she touched a lot more folk than the general hand wringers on here realise.

Gaw'd blees her soul eh?, i hear she's already shut down all the blast furnaces in hell, and privatised the soul reclamation business.

But there is a world of difference between avoiding displays of false compassion, and some of the vindictive bile that's been posted on here.

Vindictive bile? There's a sound bite. People express themselves differently and thatcher brings out the worst in her opponents as well as her supporters. Probably her legacy actually.

Are there really people dancing in the streets? Only I haven't seen it on any news.

Can we clarify if there are any horse riders in tonight by any chance?

I rode a horse once. I didn't like it though, and it was years ago, so I doubt he's talking about me ?!

Are there really people dancing in the streets? Only I haven't seen it on any news.

thatcher brings out the worst in her opponents

That does seem to be the case 😐

Interesting - speaking to a Polish bloke I know earlier, to many of them, she was a bloody hero for the stance she took over Russia.

reading some of the comments coming in from many of the former Eastern Bloc countries on some of the news sites, and it seems that histories true reflection on her place on the world stage is more than secured.

Are there really people dancing in the streets? Only I haven't seen it on any news.

Yeah it's odd that, probably isn't happening or isn't important or something.

That does seem to be the case

Well I suppose if you destroy people's lives, towns and futures for long enough it upsets them.

http://veetle.com/index.php/listing/index/mobile#4bada4088bc6f/4e275d0aa5341eb1d72461722489fc4f

george square earlier, bout 30 minutes of video, so skip about if yer interested, if not ignore.

Are there really people dancing in the streets? Only I haven't seen it on any news.

Dunno, but personally I'm in a better mood

Are there really people dancing in the streets? Only I haven't seen it on any news.

You can't honestly expect TV news to report that - it wouldn't really be the done thing 🙂

[url= http://www.news.com.au/world-news/margaret-thatcher-dies-some-pay-tribute-while-others-party-in-the-streets/story-fndir2ev-1226615333516 ]Margaret Thatcher dies: Some pay tribute while others party in the streets [/url]

ratty at least try FFS that is so blatant

I think threads like this show history will always have two polarised views of her

Well that's understandable, quite a few people admired her.

Which isn't remotely understandable.

Ok thanks for the links folks. I was expecting to see something about it on the TV but yeah, what did I expect.

The Guardian is reporting on the street party in Brixton. Having watched bits of the BBC documentary this evening and noting how Mrs T (partly by accident) broke through both sex and class boundaries to lead the Tories, I found it ironical that the first quote from the Guardian described the reason for the party was that she embodied everything that was elitist...(and)...and presided over a class war. A very different interpretation to the one given by Alan Sugar in the documentary. Another Thatcher myth, but people can decide which one!

I had forgotten just how slimy some of the politicians were back in the 70/80s. Make the current lot almost tolerable! Salmon was pretty slimy on news though. Bet he was disappointed that only 300 turned up in Glasgow. Foreshadowing....

deadlydarcy - Member

Are there really people dancing in the streets? Only I haven't seen it on any news.

There's a huge disconnect between the popular reaction, anecdotally and as far as one can gauge it from social media, not least on this thread, and the official, full-steam-ahead revisionist beatification that that is taking place in the mainstream media. Seems like the Establishment taking care of one of its own.

and the official, full-steam-ahead revisionist beatification that that is taking place in the mainstream media.

Indeed.

[quote=StefMcDef ] .
There's a huge disconnect between the popular reaction, anecdotally and as far as one can gauge it from social media, not least on this thread,
STW is hardly on the social pulse of the nation.

I think a lot of the animosity is due to her being a woman....bizarre as that sounds i dont think the people whose lives she affected in a detrimental way like the fact it was done to them by a woman of all people.

Those hardy proud northern miners didnt like a woman crushing their unions.

....add to the fact that she was right and none of her policies have been repealed by Labour governments and i should imagine it starts to smart a bit.

(Loving the pics of the street parties, i can happily say the attendees all look just as i imagined they would before i even saw the pics, like they all need a good wash, only scum like that would rejoice in someones death, it says more about them than about Thatcher).

So we can blame Maggie for everything that has gone wrong since the 2nd world war ?

The country was heading for disaster and socialist ruin before she got in, no the country was far from perfect when she left but can anyone name any subsequent PM who has had the balls to do anything for this country since? Things might not have got any worse since Thatcher, but they haven't exactly got any better.

She had character, an opinion, and wasn't afraid to show it. I guess that's partly why she is so 'liked' today. Rather than the indecisive middle of the road PM's we have had since, who are slowly killing the UK.

THM
She did marry a millionaire and she did embrace the establishment ansd she did a lot for one woman namely herself rather than women in general.
As for braking the mold with Tories

Edward Heath (known as "Teddy" as a young man) was born at 54 Albion Road, Broadstairs, Kent, the son of William George Heath, a carpenter and builder, and Edith Anne Heath (née Pantony), a maid.

I think a lot of the animosity is due to her being a woman....bizarre as that sounds i dont think the people whose lives she affected in a detrimental way like the fact it was done to them by a woman of all people.

Everyone who hates her is basically sexist ..jesus we cannot even get decent goading on this thread 0/10

to be fiar you got better after that but it is a bit obvious

only scum like that would rejoice in someones death, it says more about them than about Thatcher).

I found it ironical that the first quote from the Guardian described the reason for the party was that she embodied everything that was elitist...(and)...and presided over a class war.

I don't think there is anything ironical about that, its a well known fact that she married into great wealth despite coming from more humble origins, and she served the British elite very well.

Likewise it's never surprised me that those from working-class backgrounds within the Tory Party are among the most right-wing and reactionary, while those from more affluent backgrounds tend to feel more compassionate and secure.

Still can't quite get over the amount of people on here that are "shocked and disgusted" by some of the less than positive comments. What did you expect? Christ, you ought to spend a bit of time around here, maybe get a feel for what her policies really did to the people and the communities. Reading some of the "pro" comments took me right back to the 80's - apparently, it was ok to close down the pit villages as they were "going nowhere fast". Really? That makes sense to some of you, does it? I'm glad the right honourable bitchcow's dead, shame it didn't happen in 84.

Loving the pics of the street parties, i can happily say the attendees all look just as i imagined they would before i even saw the pics, like they all need a good wash...

And the fact that the vast majority of attendees appear to have not even been born when she was PM 😕

Some sad thoughts today when I heard the news and remembered living through her era.

I didn't hate the woman,she was only the face.

It took a very determined and driven bunch ,to put in place the poison
that now festers and rots parts of UK society today,and I can't see any rescue party on the horizon,that's the bit I hate.

Where'd that horsey Aztec chap get to?

Still can't quite get over the amount of people on here that are "shocked and disgusted" by some of the less than positive comments. What did you expect?

Dignified silence?

Perhaps some posts from her detractors that they didnt like her policies but condolences to the family?

You know, ordinary decent stuff.

What like calling folk scum and saying they were sexist - can i negatively mark you yet 🙄
PS could you lead by example especially the silence bit 😉
yes that was what I noticed ratty

Barnsleymitch your right that's why private companies are rushing to reopen mines today, because they would make sooo much money.

Ok so national coal should have kept going at no matter what cost, doesn't matter that its not profitable does it, and costs the state millions/billions, so long as people are still in work.

apparently, it was ok to close down the pit villages as they were "going nowhere fast". Really? That makes sense to some of you, does it?

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Stigma+of+category+D%3B+Mention+of+the+County+Development+Plan+of+the...-a0319503610

well the alternative of dole for decades turned out to be both cheap and without costs bothe conomic and social
Govt exists to make life better for it is citizens not just to make money like a business does
Would you like to argue life has been better for those areas
TBH i dont think we even saved any money either over the long term

the sanctimonious bleatings of the thatcher apologists are to be expected-- if any of you people who say they are 'shocked'-'disappointed' with the reactions of those of us who are celebrating a class enemy-- yes read that again-- it was class war with her-- what you sow , so shall you reap ---biblical i know but apt in her case.

Ah well, that's where I start to struggle deviant. Trouble is, I was one of those awful northern types, and a miner, when your beloved Maggie was in power. I never heard any condolences or apologies for the shit she created around here, so there'll be none in return.

what makes me puke are the happy clappy, all-inclusive, caring sharing socialists who can turn on the venom when it suits them....hypocrites of the highest order.

pfffffffft 😀 😆

god forbid a human being with more than one dimension.. utterly abhorrent.. 😆

nahhh... **** that, I had a thought once, that's enough for me.. I'm pleased with that and I'm sticking to it

hypocritical...? what nonsense

Barnsleymitch so you still think you would be mining today and making a profit, if it wasn't for Thatcher?

Get real.

what makes me laugh is all those right wing nut jobs who think this country is 'great' as a result of 33 years of free market vandalism-- reckon after the NHS they'll be down to flogging off the Royals--better hurry with that as well , assets are getting on a bit ....

I love you lot, the entrenched attitudes on both sides, the anger, the vindictive joy at the death of another, the hypocrisy of normally the most PC right on types spewing hatred that would make a neo-nazi proud.

all I can say is thank you. You have completely reinforced my world view and if if any of the hate-mongers ever try and correct someone else's behaviour they find offensive after todays little display, they can all well and truly get stuffed. 😀

scotroutes - Member

StefMcDef » .
There's a huge disconnect between the popular reaction, anecdotally and as far as one can gauge it from social media, not least on this thread,

STW is hardly on the social pulse of the nation.

Who said it was? But the diversity of opinion on this thread seems a bit nearer the pulse of the nation than the grotesque hagiography under way in the mainstream media. I could count on the fingers of one foot the number of people I've seen on facebook or twitter or any other outlet saying "Gor'bless 'er and what she done for us all."

I realise there's a natural tendency not to speak ill of the recently deceased but the figure being airbrushed into sainthood in the media is not the brutal and amoral ideologue I remember.

aye the only way to turn a coin is gamble with other peoples money-- nd get paid handsomely to do so-- oh bow to the wealth 'creators' --they must all think we have fluff hanging out of our backs....

Barnsleymitch your right that's why private companies are rushing to reopen mines today, because they would make sooo much money.

Like nuclear energy, coal needs to be subsidised. Not an option that the UK made under Thatcher but which other countries did make. Which explains why private companies aren't rushing to reopen mines.

If you pulled government subsidy of the railways the private companies would pack up and we would have no railways. Unsurprisingly.

IIRC British coal was the cheapest deep mined coal in the world apart from South Africa.

[url= http://www.euractiv.com/energy/eu-plans-transition-subsidies-co-news-495546 ]EU plans 'transition subsidies' for coal sector[/url]

[b][i]"The EU executive expects coal subsidies to reach €3.2bn in 2020"[/i][/b]

what is good about these events it brings peoples true colours out-- good to know thy foes...

funerals always make the best parties 😀

I reckon you need to be a bit more careful about packing folk into neat little boxes perhaps Taz..?

[quote=rudebwoy ]what is good about these events it brings peoples true colours out-- good to know thy foes...
you have foes?

yes the subsidy to nuclear industry is colossal --and provides huge returns to a realativly smallnumber--and those pesky workers have no say in the business....

Funkydunc - don't insult my intelligence, please. The pits were never going to last forever, I think we're all aware of that. It was the relish with which her government took on the miners, and the absolute lack of any compassion for the damage caused that did me. We were treated as less than worthless, and that still bothers me today. Real enough for you?

good to know thy foes...

there are no foes, we're all on a one way trip through life, you can spend it fighting and die or you can try to focus on the positive things and die, how you chose to spend your limited time is your choice, but such a shame to waste it on destructive emotions that ultimately make no difference?

making a profit

Ah, thatchers Britain. The only thing that mattered.

I reckon you need to be a bit more careful about packing folk into neat little boxes perhaps Taz..?

there is only 1 big box yunki and I hate you all. 😀

there are no foes, we're all on a one way trip through life, you can spend it fighting and die or you can try to focus on the positive things and die, how you chose to spend your limited time is your choice, but such a shame to waste it on destructive emotions that ultimately make no difference?

Change does not only occur out of positive actions.

😛

we're all on a one way trip through life, you can spend it fighting and die or you can try to focus on the positive things and die, how you chose to spend your limited time is your choice, but such a shame to waste it on destructive emotions that ultimately make no difference?

Indeed, get out there, earn a crust and enjoy life....or just moan about the inequalities of it all and blame the 'rich' for everything.

Change does not [s]only[/s] occur

we're gone in a blink of an eye, do the grandest schemes and ideals of past kings and princes still hold sway? no! it's all pointless, we do not control our destiny, all is chaos and always will be

and as humans or "civilisation" you show me any improvement in the comments and behaviour displayed today to that of folk revelling in death and torture of the enemies of the people in the French revolution or the Colosseum in Rome. Humanity does not change

Indeed, get out there, earn a crust and enjoy life....or just moan about the inequalities of it all and blame the 'rich' for everything.

😆

You do live in the UK right?

the sanctimonious bleatings of the thatcher apologists are to be expected

Have you labelled everyone who finds celebrating the death of an old lady distasteful a "Thatcher Apologist" then ?

Or is it just easier to dismiss what they have said if you pretend that's what they are.

Have you labelled everyone who finds celebrating the death of an old lady distasteful a "Thatcher Apologist" then ?

selective quoting , an old trick but not very good-- you need to consider the whole post-- i was trying to explain my/others reactions and the context in which they have been formed and developed--but i guess you knew that...

Interesting thread. It seems to me to be about 2 different types of people. Those that are interested in self-interest, accumualting stuff and selfishness. and others who see things as Thoughtfulness, social compassion and cohesion and a whole community together type thing and not bothered about having loads of ownership of stuff.. That's Thatchers legacy isn't it? but all the poeple I meet in general everyday life just want to make life better despite being skint. The best thing to make things move forward would be a Living Wage. You think maggie would ever ever even let that into her braincell? The sad thing is that people that are modern workers , base level in supermarkets, aren't knowledgeable about unions or what they are for or what they represent. In The Place where I work, they have a group voted by workers called a "colleague Voice".. thuis is a corporate version of a union, as they do not recognise a union, it is quite meaningless, and the people you vote for are either dumb, or right up the corporate ass desperadoes. The voice of the common working man is pretty hollow and vacant, because of thatcher.

I hope everyone gets over this soon. I'm being kept awake by a police helicopter circling over, I presume, this bunch of clowns

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