Quick poll. Who you voting for tomorrow?

Live down south with a well paid job. Labour see me as a cash cow for the feckless & bone idle. Now we are out of Europe I can move my loyalties from ukip to conservative.

When your bike / bikes get nicked and you come on here moaning about the fact the police can’t be bothered to turn up because they are too underfunded to care, remind me to mock you. 😆

oldtalent – Member
Live down south with a well paid job. Labour see me as a cash cow for the feckless & bone idle. Now we are out of Europe I can move my loyalties from ukip to conservative.

That’s not loyalty, it’s greed and selfishness.

Labour FTW.

So what’s the tally so far? 😛

When your bike / bikes get nicked and you come on here moaning about the fact the police can’t be bothered to turn up because they are too underfunded to care, remind me to mock you.

Not sure if joking or not. You just get a crime report number to give to the insurance company same as a decade ago.

Out of interest, what does that gain above and beyond not voting?
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Seriously?

It gets registered as spoiled, non of the above in an absence of a “none of the above” box

It gets registered as a protest

Not voting gets chalked to apathy..
A protest by not voting can be mistaken for voter apathy

I was joking.

This is my thirteenth general election. I never had any doubts who I would vote for in the last 12 – this one I do! Decision time tomorrow evening.

I don’t know the difference between malevolent and benevolent

Mr Benevolent is malevolent. HTH

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craigxxl – Member

When your bike / bikes get nicked and you come on here moaning about the fact the police can’t be bothered to turn up because they are too underfunded to care, remind me to mock you.

Not sure if joking or not. You just get a crime report number to give to the insurance company same as a decade ago. [/quote]

About 10 mins ago I saw two youngish couples nicked the neighbour trainers and comfy slippers that they hang out to dry outside their windows … 😆 I just cannot be arsed to do anything really … 🙄

What are my neighbours thinking … in my area they practically nicked everything if you leave something outside … me German friend left her bicycle outside my flat and when she came out … it was gone … 😮

Oh ya … I am in the Toon. 😆

craigxxl – Member
When your bike / bikes get nicked and you come on here moaning about the fact the police can’t be bothered to turn up because they are too underfunded to care, remind me to mock you.
Not sure if joking or not. You just get a crime report number to give to the insurance company same as a decade ago

OK then, let’s turn it up, let’s say some **** gets sanctioned can’t feed his family and **** you up as you walk away from the cash machine…

Odds on desperation and a 3×2 trumps any perceived Ninja skills the one being mugged might think they possess

Tally anyone? 😛

apathy wins.

who gives a shit

For me its Competency

Corbyn, Macdonald and Diane Abbot (if she is well enough), including Len McCluskey in the back door at number 10.

vs

May, Rudd, Davis, idiot boris etc.

I will take May and her lot, not always, but I’m not happy with Labour in its current state for government or opposition.

Yes i want a better education system, and more pay for nurses, and more police, and better care for the elderly and more pension money and mental health issues. who doesn’t? Labour don’t have a patent on morale values, we all want things better no matter what side we are on.

But who could deliver this realistically in the current climate? May perhaps perhaps not, Labour at this time? I personally don’t think so…

I would rather they all honestly came to us and said, taxes will increase for all on day one and this is what it WILL pay for, just messing around with corporation tax or shifting a fews things while ring fencing others won’t cover the grand wish list in my view.

Labour

I dislike Labour (in its present Socialist idealogue guise) intensely. I dislike the Tories in its normal up yours guise ever so slightly less. And i’m a devout Brexiteer, for which Corbyn would be truly gormless when it comes to negotiating our way out. So by default, and with a heavy heart, it has to be Tory.

OK then, let’s turn it up, let’s say some **** like I used be, a few years back gets sanctioned can’t feed his family and **** you up as you walk away from the cash machine…

Odds on my desperation and a 3×2 trumps any perceived Ninja skills the one being mugged might think they possess

I get mugged, maybe end up in hospital and the police give a crime number. If I’m lucky they actually do something other than downgrade the crime so it looks good on statistics. If they find the mugger he might get 6 months where he plays his games console, get pissed up or takes more drugs and then out in 3.
Instead of the community police that we’ve not had for over a decade I’ll get the email from my neighbourhood watch with the crime report for our area with my attack on it.
Nothing will have changed.

I’m voting Labour for the proper funding of the NHS and all our public services. For public sector workers to get properly paid. For the abolition of Uni fees so my daughters don’t start their working life massively in debt. For free school meals and free childcare. And for the termination of a government who let multinational companies off with only paying a fraction of the tax they should. It’s time for all the corrupt bullshit to end.

For dumbbot:

I think May is rubbish and Corbyn has grown on me, but I am no socialist and with all of his promises I have a feeling he will bankrupt the country and make a mess of brexit. So it’s Tory for me.

Meanwhile, the mugger is a guest of Essel at a cost to the taxpayer of £48000 per annum, he gets out and is bail hostelling at (in 2012) £360 per week cost to the taxpayer.

That sanction of £70 per week plus housing benefit looks great value now?

That’s quite frankly bizarre. Of one thing I’m very confident – we would get a far, far better deal with Corbyn negotiating than May. If you think otherwise then you’ve swallowed the lies of the right wing press. Though I suppose if you’re really devout you may think that “no deal” is a good idea 🙄

Where I live it changes hands regularly between Con and Libs with Labour a distant third but gaining over the years.

TBH I despair at the level of shysters, incompetence and fundamentally wrong policies that have no chance of ever being fully realised.

At the moment it feels like the country is being run into the ground, with a few vultures making a tidy profit off the back of all the snide sell off’s and backhanded contracts. Not bad if you don’t like your grandparents. You can send them to a care home, where zero hours migrant workers will slap them about. Oh and don’t get ill you will be ****, literally you will have to sell your arse (not that there would be many takers) to fund it.

On a personal level a good section of my family has sold up and left the UK for good (I may well be going the same way) because of the financial crisis and subsequent austerity, which apparently us plebs deserved and got reverse Robin Hooded for.

Most likely Labour, a vote for the Greens will do little. I can’t say I’m happy about it or naive enough to believe it will usher in a new utopian politics for all.

I would like to see bigger constitutional changes, transparency and reform in my lifetime. Although I suspect it will take longer, if it happens at all, turkeys, Christmas and all that 😐

Corbyn negotiating?
Nope.
Keir Starmer, lawyer.

Versus Boris the violent lying bozo

Labour.

Detest everything thing the tory ideology stands for, it’s the same every time they get into power, this country is finished.

ulysse – Member
Keir Starmer, lawyer.

He is rich … 😆

Does that impede his competence?

I would rather they all honestly came to us and said, taxes will increase for all on day one and this is what it WILL pay for, just messing around with corporation tax or shifting a fews things while ring fencing others won’t cover the grand wish list in my view.

+1 Everyone needs to pay more into the system rather than expecting other’s to pick up the tab. We all have a responsibility if we want first class public services.

Guess who I have voted for in the Labour stronghold.

Monster Raving Loony.

Seriously?

It gets registered as spoiled, non of the above in an absence of a “none of the above” box

It gets registered as a protest

Not voting gets chalked to apathy..
A protest by not voting can be mistaken for voter apathy

Question stands. What does that gain?

For me its Competency
…
I will take May and her lot,

Yano, for all the various compliments and criticisms levelled at the Tories, if you think that out of the current shower across the board they’re the most competent… well, I sincerely don’t mean to be rude but I don’t think you’ve been paying attention.

For a start, May’s falling to pieces in every rigorous interview she’s attended and refusing to attend a large number of them (the election debate, the pre-election BBC interviews to name a few) doesn’t really scream “competent” to me. She can talk the talk in controlled situations and their marketing machine is second to none (I’ve had an unbelievable amount of targeted Tory pamphlets through my door, three this week alone, all aimed at different demographics), but “competent”?

Really?

Where I live it changes hands regularly between Con and Libs with Labour a distant third but gaining over the years.
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At the moment it feels like the country is being run into the ground, with a few vultures making a tidy profit off the back of all the snide sell off’s and backhanded contracts.
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Most likely Labour, a vote for the Greens will do little.

Why on Earth aren’t you voting LD then?

For me its Competency

Corbyn, Macdonald and Diane Abbot (if she is well enough), including Len McCluskey in the back door at number 10.
vs
May, Rudd, Davis, idiot boris etc.

Cabinet ministers come and go and it’s easy to suggest that the labour party are in hock to the unions just as easily as it to suggest that the Tories are doing the bidding of Murdoch and big business.

What we know is that the Tories have a 7 year track record on which they can be judged and in that time all public services have gotten worse. The NHS is being deliberately run down and privatised, policing numbers have been cut by 20,000 and schools regularly rely on fundraising and donations to pay for basic supplies. Food banks have become a normal part of many peoples lives. Young people that are fortunate enough to go to university are saddled with tens of thousands of pounds of debt when they leave and their opportunities to own their own home are slim to none. The list of failures goes on and on.

If all of this had proven to have been a part of some grand plan, some temporary pain for long term gain then it could be forgiven but things are not getting better and when you listen to the Tories talk even they don’t make it sound like they think they can alter that. It’s just more of the same for the next 5 years.

I agree that the Labour front bench is uninspiring (although like many I’ve warmed to Corbyn since he’s been getting fair TV coverage) but unlike the Tories they’ve put out a costed manifesto that at least points towards trying to make things better for the vast majority of people. That’s got to be worth a punt, hasn’t it?

The Tories and their billionaire paymasters, who send their kids to private school, use private medicine, have their private pensions and don’t want to pay for anything for other people.

we all want things better no matter what side we are on.

I see where the flaw is in your decision making process.

we all want things better no matter what side we are on.

The difference is that some want better things for other folks too.

Labour, because I despise everything the Tories stand for, and their new flavour, now with added UKIP, further fuels my flames of loathing.

The world is bigger than me.

Leona Lewis

The Tory nonsense has been particularly transparent throughout this election and Labour has done a good job and contrary to a few on here I think they have some capable people (Abbot excepted).

The Tories look the part but we know they are incompetent whilst Labour look less well groomed and may or may not be up to the job but I don’t see any evidence they shouldn’t actually be just as good in negotiations.

Policy wise it’s easy Labour want to redistribute wealth more evenly across society that may mean more tax certainly corporation tax. I have no problem with that, my modest investments are making more than average wage and I know of several people making six figure in intrest alone. That interest comes from corperate profits often at the expense of low paid workers so whilst nice for a few cannot be right.

So despite being a paid up Green I’ll be voting Labour in the (very) slight hope of a win.

Labour here, in a 52% deepest darkest Devon Tory stronghold, so a snowball’s chance in hell, but principals are important.

People seem to consider Corbyn to have done a pretty good job in this campaign and keeping a lid on people who don’t want to work with him; but at the same time think he won’t do a good job negotiating with other world leaders who would want to work with him.

ulysse – Member
Does that impede his competence?

He is competence at making sure he remains rich … 😆

If all of this had proven to have been a part of some grand plan, some temporary pain for long term gain then it could be forgiven but things are not getting better and when you listen to the Tories talk even they don’t make it sound like they think they can alter that. It’s just more of the same for the next 5 years.

What sticks in my craw the most is that their manifesto – or at least, the bullet-point version they stick through my letterbox – is what they should be doing but is the diametric opposite to everything they have been doing for the last few years. Support for schools, the NHS, affordable housing, etc etc.