Overtaking.

I’ll just make a note of the contributors, then if we ever end up on a forum ride requiring cars, I’ll offer to drive.

Won’t everyone else be halfway round the black route when you arrive? 😉

I’ll soon catch you up, don’t worry.

Ahhh, but will you then “jump the queue” when you do catch up on the trails?

My question still stands & isn’t in any way a misinterpretation.

Yes. Why not? Chill out, sip your coffee, watch the lovely rolling countryside, put some tunes on, and relax.

I’m not really prepared to sit at the back of a queue for 100 miles out of some misplaced sense of politeness or driving decorum.
Neither am I.
So, are we expected to chill out & relax so that you can overtake? Any chance of a straight answer, or do we get another chuck the toys out of the pram moment to avoid the subject?

So, are we expected to chill out & relax so that you can overtake?

Depends if you arrived after me or not. That’s why I say it’s a queue, that’s how they work.

Fact is, I’ve been overtaken many times whilst waiting for a spot myself. And that’s put me at a disadvantage. I wouldn’t make this up, would I?

I’ll soon catch you up, don’t worry.

How will you overtake people on your bike?

My bike’s an Orange 5, you can hate me all the more now.

So someone with a faster car / better anticipation passes you in a spot you can’t overtake. The only disadvantage to you that I see is that someone…has a faster car / better anticipation.
It is not a queue, people are going different places, with different agenda’s & different acceptances of slow vehicles, be that because they can’t or do not wish to overtake.
I view an overtake opportunity as this…vehicles ahead see the opportunity prior to me, or they should if they are correctly positioned & anticipating a manoeuvre. They therefore have the opportunity prior to me. If, by the time I decide to overtake there is no indication from them that they intend to overtake, then I do. Simple. I have not “stolen” anyone else’s opportunity as they made no indication of intention (whether that is actually signalling or otherwise). If you feel that I have stolen your spot, then suck it up & MTFU…it is nothing personal & how many opportunities am I expected to pass up, on the basis that at some point in the future you may wish to overtake.
I will add that I generally look to pass everything at once if at all possible in multi vehicle situations, but if the gaps between vehicles are sufficient & I only have short straights, I will make my way up the line of traffic & slot back in where suitable (note, the bigger the gaps between cars, the farther to travel to pass everything, making it more likely to require splitting the overall overtake plan into safe & manageable chunks).

So.. if you see a vehicle, you just pass it? Regardless of what it might possibly be doing soon?

So say, approaching a roundabout, or a town or something?

roundabout

molgrips – Member
So.. if you see a vehicle, you just pass it? Regardless of what it might possibly be doing soon?

So say, approaching a roundabout, or a town or something?

oh come on, you’re not even trying now!

Now you really are getting petty & ridiculous.
Did you fail to note the “overtake opportunity”?

Are you accusing me of overtaking vehicles anywhere & everywhere? Odd, given that you have accused others of misinterpreting your driving, that you blatantly do the same.
Shall we try again…

I view an overtake opportunity as this…vehicles ahead see the opportunity prior to me, or they should if they are correctly positioned & anticipating a manoeuvre. They therefore have the opportunity prior to me. If, by the time I decide to overtake there is no indication from them that they intend to overtake, then I do.

So, an overtake opportunity, somewhere where I can safely pass & if necessary, reduce speed for whatever cause, without requiring the vehicles I’ve passed to slow unnecessarily.

Are you accusing me of overtaking vehicles anywhere & everywhere?

That would be stupid, since I know as much about your driving as you do about mine.

since I know as much about your driving as you do about mine.

Right. There’s only one way to sort this…

Helmet cams at dawn it is. Molgrips et al – record your drives and upload your driving vids for full STW technique analysis. 😉

You mean something like this?
Commuting?

I think Mols is there too…at about 2:25

Yes, video evidence

“It’s a bendy road but people do go at a great lick along it. It’s 60mph at the moment but the council are looking at changing it to 50 and hopefully this will make a difference.”

..from a recent tragic incident, that should end this thread for all but the bell ends.

..from a recent tragic incident, that should end this thread for all but the bell ends.

Was it an accident involving somebody overtaking a queue in stages?

singletrackbiker
I view an overtake opportunity as this…vehicles ahead see the opportunity prior to me, or they should if they are correctly positioned & anticipating a manoeuvre. They therefore have the opportunity prior to me. If, by the time I decide to overtake there is no indication from them that they intend to overtake, then I do.

Yes! Exactly, that’s precisely what I do, and always have done. It’s the sensible way to drive.

“It’s a bendy road but people do go at a great lick along it. It’s 60mph at the moment but the council are looking at changing it to 50 and hopefully this will make a difference.”
..from a recent tragic incident, that should end this thread for all but the bell ends.

Not in my experience. It will, however, increase the police’s take in speeding fines

People need to get their heads round the concept that whilst speed is a contributory factor in many accidents, it is almost always poor driving that is the root cause.

No reply could say more than your own words.

Irony alert.

Are you going to answer my question IanW?

Does any road accident happening for whatever reason mean that it’s not safe to overtake, ever?

From the same article that IanW is using to apparently justify zero overtaking…or a speed related issue.

“A car went into an articulated lorry. All we know is what the police have said – that the car tried to overtake something or the car hit a kerb which has sent it spinning out of control and obviously gone head-on into a lorry.”

Seems to me driver error was more of an issue than outright speed. Take a look at the car, a Nissan Primera, with 5 people on board, so acceleration will be compromised…did the driver factor the extra weight into his expectation of acceleration & passing distance required? Did he look far enough down the road, or attempt to pass approaching a blind corner? Maybe they clipped the inside kerb, so entirely unrelated to speed or overtaking.
I feel very sorry for the families of those involved, but looks to me like driver error.

It’s 60mph at the moment but the council are looking at changing it to 50

I really want to start a thread on this pointless waste of public money in the name of safety, that completely misses the point and only achieves cluttering up the countryside with more signs, but the whole thing is just too depressing.

Yesterday I came onto a group of five vehicles following a truck. Just as I caught up the van first in line overtook. No one else did.

At the next opportunity I overtook the rear two cars. No one else overtook. The car in front was then a Passat.

And I actually wondered if it was Molgrips 🙂

What should I do? So of course at the next opportunity, I overtook them and the truck. And none of them again tried to overtake.

This was all in NSL, and they seemed happy to drive at 40mph for the next 20 miles (which is where the dual carriageway starts).

Yes, that sounds fairly typical and in-line with my experiences.

There appears to be a fear/reluctance to overtake in preference to driving (far too) closely to a vehicle in front. Maybe it’s due to the age profile of the (driving) population?

And, of course, some younger people mistakenly thinking that they are waiting in queue 😉

Personally, I much prefer having an clear road in front of me.

Yesterday I came onto a group of five vehicles following a truck

Good effort that, improve you’re diet and you might get the truck as well.

b r is “Mr speedy arsehole” fact. 😆

b r is “Mr speedy arsehole” fact.

Can’t be, I haven’t got a Beemer any more 🙂

Is it an Audi now? 😆
On a more serious note, I think the phrase “you snooze, you lose” is applicable here. Unless you’re in America where some roads are a straight as an arrow, you need to take your oppertunities when you can. However, probably as a result of age mellowing me, if I see a group of 3+ cars behind a slow moving vehicle, then I probably wont even bother trying to even partially overtake the group as its not worth the hassle, I’ll just sit back and chill.

There appears to be a fear/reluctance to overtake in preference to driving (far too) closely to a vehicle in front. Maybe it’s due to the age profile of the (driving) population?

I think the majority of drivers haven’t been taught how to overtake, and wrongly assume that getting as close as possible to the car in front is the best way to overtake. The “tailgaters” must want to go faster otherwise why would they sit up the arse of the slow vehicle tapping their brakes every 5 seconds? The trouble is in that position they have made it very difficult to overtake anything.

So to Molgrips’ point 80% of drivers probably do want to overtake a slower car but 90% of them never will

Didn’t get on STW over the weekend, and just thought I’d post to say that I’m so glad to see this thread is still thriving! 😆

Not sure I can be bothered to catch up with it all though.

I think the majority of drivers haven’t been taught how to overtake

Nail -> Head

This thread is still going?? Bloody hell. 😐

Not seen the main protagonist for a while either…

I think the majority of drivers haven’t been taught how to overtake

What do driving instructors teach…how to pass a driving test.
Perhaps if lessons were more encompassing, the UK’s roads would be safer. Perhaps a motorway driving test too?
How about mandatory eye tests over a certain age too?
I know – more cost etc. but with what long term safety improvement?

I think the majority of drivers haven’t been taught how to overtake

IAM training would teach that.

But this forum (possibly this thread) has offered the gem that advanced drivers are boy racers too immature to confine their antics to the track.

So to Molgrips’ point 80% of drivers probably do want to overtake a slower car but 90% of them never will

Exactly, they’ll just sit there like impotent lemons at 40mph and whinge and flash when any ‘totally selfish hooligan’ dares to make progress past their mobile roadblock, or dares to steal their rightful opportunity to overtake 1st (the opportunity that they would probably never ever take anyway).

Thing is maybe they are onto something? 40mph on a NSL road followed by the same 40mph through 30mph villages en-route. So any time they loose on the open road is made up when they gain a significant amount of time past the gates of the local primary school. Cunning!

You really are being a prize pillock, rebel12.