Overtaking.

you (generalist term, obviously with the exception of molgrips) can still overtake in low powered vehicles, it just takes a bit more anticipation & preparation

You can take smaller spaces in a faster car, we’ve covered this.

Are you seriously telling me that if you were driving an M3, you’d expect me in my Passat or Prius to be able to take the same spots as you?

No-one will win. I’m just trying not to lose. Some people on the internet think I’m a rubbish driver – this is not acceptable.

No-one other than youself is trying to to win. Most are trying to get the point across that
a. there is no such thing as a queue in the scenario you have given and
b. you would benefit from additional training and
c. some people are better at overtaking than you (which seems to be your main source of angst)

All good helpful advice with the bonus of zebras, giraffes etc. All it needs is a dancing walrus (anyone?) and the thread will be complete 😉

go on then.

Why do you think I am bad at overtaking, despite never having seen me? You’ve assumed that from what I’ve said, but I’m trying to say that you have not understood what I’ve said.

Could you not just get a dash cam and record some overtaking?

It would avoid any misunderstanding based on the written word.

Why do you think I am bad at overtaking, despite never having seen me? You’ve assumed that from what I’ve said, but I’m trying to say that you have not understood what I’ve said.

Look at the positives. You seem to be very good at being overtaken.

Or you could just be a bit more aware of the possibility of misunderstanding on an internet forum, and also not care about judging someone whose driving you’ve never seen.

Something like this:

“Well what you’ve written doesn’t sound like good practice to me, but of course I’ve not seen you drive”

be a bit more aware of the possibility of misunderstanding on an internet forum

me?

I’ve said nowt on this thread bar the odd gif and a suggestion that pictures are better than words.

I have no idea how you drive and, frankly, I’ve probably only read about 2% of the posts on this thread so I’ve no idea how you write it about it either.

Also, a lot of the fun on this place comes out of misunderstanding of the written word. Often deliberate misunderstanding.

The answer:

so long as there are no bends. It won’t require a long straight to pass anything (other than a fuel bowser) though

Are you seriously telling me that if you were driving an M3, you’d expect me in my Passat or Prius to be able to take the same spots as you?

Oh you’re back. I have another scenario for you in that case.

You’re driving along in a “queue” 2nd car back from the slow vehicle which is holding you up. At the back of the “queue” is somebody in an M3 who is alert enough to take his chances. You drive past a couple of shorts straights, both of which are long enough for the chap in the M3 to get past a couple of cars in the “queue”, which would have seen him past the slow vehicle at the front if he’d taken both of them. However he’s a courteous and considerate driver who’s waiting to see if anybody else in front wants to take advantage of the overtaking opportunities first. Nobody in front of him does attempt an overtake, so he comes to the conclusion that they’re not going to, and on the next similar opportunity he does overtake, ending up in front of you. The next straight is a nice long one which should have seen you all past the slow car, however there’s something coming the other way so everybody is stuck behind the slow vehicle for the next 5 miles of winding roads.

Is it unfair that the M3 driver didn’t overtake when he had the opportunity?

who is alert enough to take his chances

Hang on, so you think it’s only down to alertness, and not the speed of his car?

However he’s a courteous and considerate driver who’s waiting to see if anybody else in front wants to take advantage of the overtaking opportunities first.

What about all the people further back in the queue who he’s just passed regardless?

Are you saying we should all push our way to the front of the queue? Cos we obviously can’t all do that. Are you saying we should all overtake anyone in the line of cars at any opportunity? Can you imagine the bedlam that would cause? Do you think it would be safe?

What about all the people further back in the queue who he’s just passed regardless?

At the back of the “queue” is somebody in an M3

Oh so you’re saying he doens’t queue jump?

I’ve no idea what the rest of your post means.

Are you seriously telling me that if you were driving an M3, you’d expect me in my Passat or Prius to be able to take the same spots as you?

No.

And as the distance needed for an overtake is as much to do with the driver as the car it’s not reasonable to expect anyone to be able to accurately ascertain the overtaking space others need.

For this reason people take the opportunities THEY need when they are presented. Unless a car in front has indicated their intention to pull out.

Turn, fairness etc don’t come into it.

I am now convinced that molgrips is in fact trolling this thread. Nobody could be that daft as to care:-
1) What someone things of their driving
2) Be annoyed that someone thinks their driving is in fact crap.
WGAS?

Well why do you care enough to keep posting?

Turn, fairness etc don’t come into it.

Sadly, that seems to be the prevailing opinion.

Indeed.

But it’s not rudeness due to the impossibility of telling if a non-indicating car is planning to pull out.

I think this thread needs a calming, spinning seal;

molgrips – Member

Well why do you care enough to keep posting?
And you sir?

Oh so you’re saying he doens’t queue jump?

Nobody does. Remember that there is no queue. However if you were meaning that he doesn’t overtake in stages, then no, I was referring to the point at which “he’s waiting to see if anybody else in front wants to take advantage of the overtaking opportunities first.” to which your response was “What about all the people further back in the queue who he’s just passed regardless?”, to which the answer is there aren’t any.

So given your latest posts, am I correct in thinking that your opinion is that nobody should ever overtake in stages? So if you’re stuck behind a line of cars none of whom are ever going to overtake and there’s never an overtaking spot long enough to get past in one go you should just stay there?

How about a straight answer to whether my scenario is unfair?

And you sir?

Because my driving is being slated, and by implication me.

How about a straight answer to whether my scenario is unfair?

I don’t understand it, and I don’t think I’ve got the mental energy any more.

you should just stay there?

Yes. Why not? Chill out, sip your coffee, watch the lovely rolling countryside, put some tunes on, and relax.

I don’t understand it

I didn’t think it was that difficult – by nature we’re not talking about single overtaking attempts here, so it’s hard to make things simpler. There isn’t any hidden meaning in that particular one if it helps.

Yes. Why not? Chill out, sip your coffee, watch the lovely rolling countryside, put some tunes on, and relax.

That is at least a straight answer. We can’t give up now though, not after putting all this effort in.

Yes. Why not? Chill out, sip your coffee, watch the lovely rolling countryside, put some tunes on, and relax.

It quite possible in Scotland to drive 100 miles+ on unbroken single carriageways. Undertaking such a journey at the speed of the slowest car could add an hour to the journey time.

I’m not really prepared to sit at the back of a queue for 100 miles out of some misplaced sense of politeness or driving decorum.

Life is too short, which is ironic as the people most likely to hold others up are often the ones with the least life left

wwaswas

I can die a happy man 😀

Spinning seal! Genius!

Giffage;

mesmerising, isn’t it 🙂

This got me thinking. What’s the right thing to do in the equivalent position in an MTB race? Suppose I’m stuck behind a queue of slow riders on some narrow single track. An opportunity to get past is about to come up. Should I wait my turn and perhaps be passed by someone else, or should I just go for it and ignore the angry looks from the slower riders? Especially if we’re about to come to a bombhole where everyone will slow down even more?

Does the fact that I have zero prospect of ever being on a podium make a difference?

I don’t think you really get places that much quicker by overtaking. A few minutes at best, no matter what car you drive. If it’s someone cruising along at 40 I don’t bother anymore, the number of times in my youth I would get past someone like that, then when I’d arrived or stopped much further up the road, see them come cruising past me like 5 minutes later. These days, I see folk getting past me, and then I see them stopped off somehwhere much further up the road, looking like they more or less just got there. I think it’s because the 40mph cruiser doesn’t really brake or accelerate, whereas someone wanting to do 60 or more has to brake and accelerate loads, wait behind the next 40mph cruiser, get past them and so on, so the avarage speed isn’t that much higher than 40 for anyone no matter how you drive. Best just to save fuel, tyres and brake pad material and chill I reckon, do 60 if you can, but if you’re stuck in a line at 40, just roll with it, it won’t really make any difference. Safer for all that way too.

60 is a limit, not a target.

molgrips – Member

“And you sir?”

Because my driving is being slated, and by implication me.

As ‘they’ say, you can criticise a man for almost anything, including his performance as a lover, but you must not, under any circumstances, criticise a man’s driving.

I’m not really prepared to sit at the back of a queue for 100 miles out of some misplaced sense of politeness or driving decorum.

Neither am I.

As ‘they’ say, you can criticise a man for almost anything, including his performance as a lover, but you must not, under any circumstances, criticise a man’s driving.

Men dont sit and wait to be invited to overtake. 😆

Yes. Why not? Chill out, sip your coffee, watch the lovely rolling countryside, put some tunes on, and relax.

I’m not really prepared to sit at the back of a queue for 100 miles out of some misplaced sense of politeness or driving decorum.
Neither am I.

Ok, so I’m confused…are we expected to chill out & relax so that you can overtake?
Oh, going back to this thing of lower powered car overtaking, you took note of that & commented, yet failed to note anything regarding anticipation & preparation.
Do we have to raise the advanced driving query again? If so, before you know it, there’ll be dancing zebra’s everywhere.

If so, before you know, there’ll be dancing zebras everywhere.

*Lies in wait*

I miss the dancing Zebras….seems like such a long time ago

How about ferrets unlimited?

No point in continuing this. My every word is being pulled apart into unrecognisable nonsense.

I’ll just make a note of the contributors, then if we ever end up on a forum ride requiring cars, I’ll offer to drive.

Yey for Zebras

And ferrets

My every word is being pulled apart into unrecognisable nonsense

Whats that old programming adage?
Rubbish in, rubbish out.