Overtaking.

(in relation to weighing up an overtake)

That might explain why molgrips gets overtaken by those dastardly queue jumpers. A good few seconds!? You have to be kidding me? Also, where has anyone even hinted that they base an overtaking decision on a belief that they are a better driver ?
if it takes you that long to weigh up hazards that should have been registered in an instant in conjunction with your ongoing awareness of road and traffic, then you probably should just continue to queue politely!

Just about cements everything I was saying and thinking. People who make snap decisions to barge down a queue of cars are just cocks, basically. Half way down and exposed on the wrong side of the road you suddenly realise that there is a cyclist that you didn’t see before, or another hazard… These drivers remain safe a lot of the time because they rely on the good grace of other road users – if all the road users were of that same selfish mind it would be carnage. The road relies on cooperation, not competition.

You think that having a fast car and being assertive (in your mind) makes you a better driver? It just doesn’t. If you are first to the decision to overtake because you just ignored some of the hazards then you are not a good driver, you are an impulsive selfish driver.

One final thing – if the line-jumper is sure they will find a gap to re-enter the line, and feels that the car in the line whose safe space he has just taken up will then have to drop back and re-create the 2 second gap … how will the overtaker feel if the car in line moves forward and insists that he drop behind and create his own fickin’ gap? Cos basically if I feel you are just forcing your way in front of me I see no reason why you should not be grateful to slot in behind me when I accelerate to make a gap for you there. Why should I create a nice gap in front of me when I can move up and create a space behind me and then I can drop back and re-establish my safe space?

Let’s up this one a notch. What if – instead of a lorry – I’m backed up behind a squadron of ducks?

What kind of monster did I create here! 😯

Why should I create a nice gap in front of me when I can move up and create a space behind me and then I can drop back and re-establish my safe space?

Probably because the HC says so. You do realise that the action you’re proposing is illegal and dangerous?

Exactly. Overtaking without knowing where you are going is dangerous too. If I offer safe refuge by creating a gap behind me what is wrong with that? The only thing wrong with that is the road warrior has to do a little climb-down for a second as I refuse to doff my cap and jump out of his way.

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Overtaking without knowing where you are going is dangerous too.

Except he did know where he was going.

If I offer safe refuge by creating a gap behind me what is wrong with that?

remember this?

Probably because the HC says so

The only thing wrong with that is the road warrior has to do a little climb-down for a second as I refuse to doff my cap and jump out of his way.

It sounds suspiciously to me like you’re upset not because he’s doing something dangerous – I mean so are you – but simply because he’s overtaking you. Nobody is asking you to jump out of his way, simply not jump into it. Your action is like shoving your trolley into the aisle in front of somebody walking to the till so that they run into you.

The overtaker does NOT know where he is going. The line is made up of gaps of 2 seconds or less, typically. There are no safe gaps except those created for him by the good grace of others. If he comes in front my 2 seconds is now less than 1, and he doesn’t have a safe distance either (not that he cares because he probably feels like he has much better reactions/better car/is more of a man). Effectively the selfishness of the line jumper compels everyone behind him to drop back and re-establish safe distances, sending a slowing down wave through the flow of traffic which we are all familiar with from the motorways.

If safety is a priority (and it damn well should be) then taking the flow of the road for what it is is by far the best approach. I do overtake, but I certainly don’t arrive at the back of a line and commence skipping up without even knowing what’s ahead and/or thinking about it.

Fun and largely inane thread is turning serious again. Anybody got any amusing pictures of animals to calm things down?

No animals, but I quite like….

Oooh, and…

If safety was actually a priority for all those sheep in the line, they would be leaving “safe” gaps, i.e. big enough to encompass unexpected events (like someone “pushing in” without issue. However, tailgating aomeone 5.1m away results in not much room when someone fill that gap with a 5m long car! (which at some point they will, even if they are morally wrong for doing so)

Good road manners and defensive driving is a technique best encompassed oneself, suddenly you’ll find you simply aren’t affected by the hoards of “bad drivers” i’m constantly been told about………

I see your cow-in-a-sidecar, and i raise you a lion in one:

😉

Oh, so it’s like that is it, maxtorque? 😉

Camel trumps lion.

On the other hand, dog trumps camel…

Effectively the selfishness of the line jumper compels everyone behind him to drop back and re-establish safe distances, sending a slowing down wave through the flow of traffic which we are all familiar with from the motorways.

Maybe if all the drivers in the line are driving dangerously, but even then the comparison is spurious, given the furthest back it can travel is to where the overtaker has come from, which presumably isn’t actually that far back. You could of course always check what the HC has to say about this…

Elton John in a sidecar trumps all your animals

pah, they are all just passengers:

Bear riding a Harley = Top Trump

🙂

Dammit!

* applauds maxtorque’s unplayable bear/Harley combo *

maxtorque – did you play Comedy Mammals Top Trumps just before Christmas? You’d have been a worthy opponent. 😀

Sorry, but you’re all trumped

Effectively the selfishness of the line jumper compels everyone behind him to drop back and re-establish safe distances, sending a slowing down wave through the flow of traffic which we are all familiar with from the motorways.

You could of course always check what the HC has to say about this…

See page 1 (yes, PAGE ONE) of this thread for that:

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Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass. Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.

The overtakee is required to help the overtaker past if necessary, and the overtakee is responsible for re-establishing the 2 second gap. We knew that 24 pages ago, but some people think they know better than the highway code.

Outa my doggone way – I’m going for an overtake . . .

some people think they know better than the highway code.

Apparently fairness trumps that.

Apologies if I nicked this off someone on here.

Technology has the answer.

Twice in 24 hours I’ve encountered vehicles (cars and a medium-sized van) driving along closely behind slow-moving tractors on open, straight rural roads with good views.

Twice, I have immediately overtaken (modest diesel estate car) said columns with no difficulties, no need for enormous power or any unreasonable risk. Twice, the other vehicles have not attempted to overtake the tractor and did not do so in the time they were visible in my rear view mirror.

Other people, eh?

ps. Should I have joined the “queues” each time?

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But the whole point of this thread is flawed because a line of flowing traffic is not a queue is it? A queue is defined as a line of people waiting – most usually for the same thing.

That point got completely ignored about 500 posts ago, it’ll be ignored again now.

This is really quire outstanding.

Please don’t ban molly – if he’s clearly dumb enough to provide this much entertainment, he’s presumably daft enough to do it again.

@molly – reported for being tedious

FLATLAND DOG!

rebel12 – Member
But the whole point of this thread is flawed because a line of flowing traffic is not a queue is it? A queue is defined as a line of people waiting – most usually for the same thing.

That point got completely ignored about 500 posts ago, it’ll be ignored again now.

Whhhhaaaatttt?

This changes everything! Seems like I’ve missed something pretty major here.

* Goes to read back through this thread to check that the difference between a queue of stationary cars and a line of flowing traffic was adequately raised. *

Mirror, signal..wtf?

The overtakee is required to help the overtaker past if necessary, and the overtakee is responsible for re-establishing the 2 second gap. We knew that 24 pages ago, but some people think they know better than the highway code.

It may state
‘Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass‘
and
‘Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you‘

Which is not
‘you are required to make room when some tosser tries to pull into a non-existent space‘
or as you put it
‘The overtakee is required to help the overtaker past if necessary‘.

If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass.

Which is not ‘you are required to make room when some tosser tries to pull into a non-existent space’ or as you put it ‘The overtakee is required to help the overtaker past if necessary’.

You are right, better to leave them to their fate and let them get wiped out by oncoming traffic.

It would deny you the opportunity to flash your lights at them though

EDIT

Surely though if you are driving correctly, there is at least a 2 second gap between you and the car in front?

scuzz, put down the keyboard and step away from the crazy person.

pass is not pull in.

You are right, better to leave them to their fate and let them get wiped out by oncoming traffic.

Not what I was implying.

By claiming it’s the overtakees responsibility to create a space for pulling into starts the process where it becomes acceptable to aim for non-existent or not big enough gaps.

Just pointing out this is not what the HC actually says and definitely not the correct way to drive.

A competent and careful driver takes whatever action he or she can to make a dangerous situation safe. Anyone who doesn’t take action to prevent an accident when they could have, regardless of how much of a cock the driver who has caused it all has been, falls below or far below the standard of a careful and competent driver, and thereby drives carelessly or dangerously (respectively).

So if you realise that ‘speedy man’ has misjudged the situation and needs to get in front of you sharpish, and you deliberately prevent him from doing so when you could have let him in, you are also culpable for any unpleasant consequences.

You lot have been playing so nicely, I imagine you’re all hungry by now.

and

Are we allowed to eat while we’re overtaking ?, except PP of course.
🙂

After your tea and biscuits…

wow, freeky, thats EXACTLY what i’ve just had!!

(the choccy digestives and tea, rather than the inbred Mullet touting gun loving trucker 😉