My 11yo daughters are size 14 and my son is 20 stone – what am I doing wrong?

Isn’t it a bit early for you to start throwing your toys out the pram, Solo?

Well, as a S/G, your mission is to bait and try to get a rise from anyone on here, you wish to. However, imo, a balanced view of JY’s post would spot the antagonistic tone therein. Which either you are unable to spot, or you wish to overlook.
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I am amazed at the “Its sooo simple, just eat less and move more” brigade. Just go on about, like, Shit ! who’d of guessed that was the answer ?, I must be so dumb.
And like, all that hormone stuff, well thats just BS.

If only, eh ?
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thanks for clearing that up, It is now clear you think moving less does not work, but it does, but it doesnt.
THANKS

JY, unlike you, I am trying to be clear without offending anyone. The evidence is out there, don’t blame me.
There are a lot of people who are over weight yet who are very active.
Your advise is not helping them. What shall we do ?.

So after 5 pages what the consensus? Are fat people thick or clever?And if I eat and move will I lose weight or stay the same.

Also If I only shop at iceland and buy 5 frozen pizza’s for a £1 and feed them to my kids tonight will my kids lose weight because they get loads of exercise playing xbox connect (it gets them to move so is clearly an excellent form of exercise)

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I am absolutely convinced that fat people are fat because they eat too much, and thin people are thin because they eat less. I do not have any data to prove this. I am happy to be proved incorrect if someone can point me in the direction of the data.

Nope, I think you’re pretty much on the money there. People who starve are generally thin. People who eat too much, gain weight according to the laws of thermo dynamics.

However, if I may ask a question… why does one person eat more than they need, while another eats too little, or just enough to maintain their BF ?. Is it a pre-meditated act of glutony by the fat person, or a wilfull act of going hungry by the thin person ?.

Well, as a S/G, your mission is to bait and try to get a rise from anyone on here, you wish to.

Special guy or not, I think you are akin to the most rabid of Apple/Android/MS/Sony etc fanboy when it comes to diet. So no, I am not trying to bait you, I am merely disagreeing with you. So stop giving yourself so much credit.

However, imo, a balanced view of JY’s post would spot the antagonistic tone therein. Which either you are unable to spot, or you wish to overlook.

You seem to have a habit of being equally obtuse and patronising, yet are always first to call it on other people. Apparently it is ok, as long as you caveat your arguments with a winking emoticon.

You need to relax a bit more, mate*. 😉

*I’ll assume you will get the #reference.

or stay the same.

You can only stay the same IF, you are in perfect energy balance. How you achieve that every day, as even one mouthful of food could tip you over the edge. Is a feat I’ve yet to see. Although there are people who guess themselves to eating the exact amount of cals everyday. Perfectly. Apparently.
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Also If I only shop at iceland and buy 5 frozen pizza’s for a £1 and feed them to my kids tonight will my kids lose weight because they get loads of exercise playing xbox connect (it gets them to move so is clearly an excellent form of exercise) 😆

Thats it !, theres an entire industry out there willing to see you eat more only to need to burn it off, by going ot the gym, buying a bike, buying a games console, etc, etc.
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JY, unlike you, I am trying to be clear without offending anyone

You are failing rather badly what with it not causing it, causing it and then not causing it explanation. is that meant to be clear.
my eat less than you use message is complex …you sure?
You say I am a troll and now you say i am offending folk. I have said nothing about you, now calm down as you are making yourself look silly now – gently insulting me whilst pretending you are the victim, tragic

There are a lot of people who are over weight yet who are very active.
Your advise is not helping them. What shall we do ?.

get them to eat less/have an energy imbalance.

I am not trying to bait you

Isn’t it a bit early for you to start throwing your toys out the pram, Solo?

I have a scoll bar.
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JamiePorter:
I am absolutely convinced that fat people are fat because they eat too much, and thin people are thin because they eat less. I do not have any data to prove this. I am happy to be proved incorrect if someone can point me in the direction of the data.

I referred you to the Princeton Uni study above. Next try searching MedLine / PubMed for other articles by the same author, and associations between fructose / HFCS and metabolism in Quertle.info

There’s the daTA!

get them to eat less/have an energy imbalance.

Bit lacking on detail there, imo. Can you be more specific, please ?.

Are they all bad people,

NO
or is it that theres a little more to it ?.
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If people were simple calorie machines, it would be soooo simple. Like only putting enough petrol in your car to travel 20 miles, when you wanted to travel, 20 miles…. Of course, compared to the human body, cars are simple machines.

And the point is – the more complex you are the less the laws of thermodyamics apply to you – can I see your working?

Come on JY, try to be nice.
Oh, and perhaps you can calm down ?.

But then we’d also play a bit of kerbie in the street, go build dens, create dams in the burn, play on tree swings, wander down to the park, walk to school every day etc etc

Halcyon days and do kids today even know what ‘kerbie’ is? I remember having to stop mid game for the odd car……damned inconvenient 😆

Funnily enough, I can’t remember anyone in my year being really fat and we stuffed our faces with pretty much anything we could get our hands on, much it fairly unhealthy and yet we weren’t fat!

I can only conclude that exercise has a far greater effect on metabolism in the medium to long term than a simple calories in/calories expended equation but I’m also starting to believe the high-fructose corn syrup is partly responsible (how big a part is debatable due to other factors) for the obesity problem we are facing now.

we stuffed our faces with pretty much anything we could get our hands on, much it fairly unhealthy and yet we weren’t fat!

I can only conclude that exercise has a far greater effect on metabolism

Or something specific in the food we eat is different to 30 years ago.

Woody.

I kinda reckon growing children will use more calories to sustain growth, so you claiming to eat loads, when you were a growing chld, yet none of your peers being really fat makes sense. It also ties in with the theory that people will eat more because they are growing, either vertically or horizontally and not the other way around.

@Solo

You were getting pissy with Junkyard and calling him a troll for disagreeing with you, hence my comment about pram related toy ejections. Nothing to do with trying to bait you.

I have a scoll bar.

Well done.

Another diet thread gone the same way as normal, can’t even have a discussion about the changing attitudes to body shape in the western world without it descending into all this… again

Now wasn’t there a study recently that found that kids nowadays don’t have significantly lower levels of activity compared to a generation or two ago? I’m sure I saw it on the Beeb. Can’t find details anywhere…maybe I was imagining it?

Fructose-based-glitch.

to be fair it’s easy to sort out

get rid of all the fat people? 😯

There are a lot of people who are over weight yet who are very active.

Yes there are a lot, as in the number may be a big number, in the same way that 1000 is a big number and 10 is not, BUT it is not a statistically significant proportion of the whole.

There are some* (and we can concede that the number is big) but it is NOT big compared to the overall number of overweight people.

You can’t use minority cases as an explanation for the overall trend, or do you genuinely believe that most people who are overweight are overweight due to a medical condition and not overeating/under exercising?

If that were the case then there would have to have been a massive shift in our biology/external biological influence over recent years to account for such a large change in population weight distribution, and it would not be limited to the so-called developed world.

General advice should focus on the general causes and trends, and specific problems addressed with the help of medical professionals who have the skills needed to diagnose and help appropriately.

*I do not belittle these people in the slightest, it can only imagine at the difficulty they must face dealing with such a condition and have every sympathy with people who are trying to be healthy and face medical challenges

given the western worlds obsession with voyeuristic “reality tv” cack for the brain deficient such as big brother all we need to do is round up all the tubsters and put them in a replica of the Cretan Labyrinth. Then release some rabid honey badgers and film the results on live TV…..

“day 3, big Nige is still running, getting slimmer and has stopped for high protein aktins and paleo diet acceptable snak from the gnawed corpse of Mandy……she was too big to get around that corner and got taken out by a swift pincer manoeuvre by bill and ben the top scoring bagders of doom this week, and now for the highlights”

@Solo

You were getting pissy with Junkyard and calling him a troll for disagreeing with you

Well, you are wrong, I won’t hold my breath for the apology though.
I warned JY for this:
are you rejecting it then – that would be me and everyone else leaning on it then – have you re written it? can I see your working?
It seemed needlessly combative.

Which is why thanks to JY, I’m inclined to agree with…
descending into all this… again

Not that you care, but I still think DD’s post about eating better and moving about a bit, sums it up very well.

I’m off now. Ta, ta.
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all we need to do is round up all the tubsters and put them in a replica of the Cretan Labyrinth.

I misread that as Cretin Labyrinth at first. I’m not entirely sure I should’ve been wrong.

bad man cougar! but funny

There are a lot of people who are over weight yet who are very active.

Yes there are a lot, as in the number may be a big number, in the same way that 1000 is a big number and 10 is not, BUT it is not a statistically significant proportion of the whole.

Hmm. The whole of what? Out of all the people who are active, there are a fair few around who aren’t particularly skinny. Ok so they’re not super athletes, but go MTBing (or road cycling for that matter) and the proportion of people who ride regularly and are chubby is quite high. Or Sunday football, after work squash etc.

Conversely, there are quite a lot of people who eat lots of goodies and don’t do exercise, and are skinny. I work with a few, and am related to quite a few.

So I think that it IS a statistically significant portion of the whole.

On the question of stupidity – the human mind is a strange place, and a good amount of it is in your belly. Seriously. If someone on crack does stupid things, you blame the drug they’ve taken. Sugary (or something else) foods aren’t much different. It really messes with your brain.

Halcyon days and do kids today even know what ‘kerbie’ is? I remember having to stop mid game for the odd car……damned inconvenient

Mate and I were kerbie experts. Maximum points were achieved by throwing the ball backwards over your head, bouncing off his kerb, then yours, then his!

As an adult I’m not even sure how that physically possible!

how come its acceptable for random strangers to comment on my smoking…’that will kill you that will’ ….but when i have a go at a fatty stuffing pizza into her overflowing trolley in tesco it is apparently out of order ?

how come its acceptable for random strangers to comment on my smoking…’that will kill you that will’ ….but when i have a go at a fatty stuffing pizza into her overflowing trolley in tesco it is apparently out of order ?

because someone stuffing a pasty in their face won’t give you passive obesity ?

because someone stuffing a pasty in their face won’t give you passive obesity ?

OK Mr Smartey Arsey, please explain how I got so lardy then?

because someone stuffing a pasty in their face won’t give you passive obesity ?

I dunno. It plants the stodgy seed that usually diverts me into the nearest Greggs.

cant we start rendering fatties down to make green fuels ?
would be more beneficial to society as a whole,

OK Mr Smartey Arsey, please explain how I got so lardy then?

that’s the fat fairy. it visits you at night when you sleep and deposits a high calorie creamy deposit of carbs and protein in your mouth.

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it visits you at night when you sleep and deposits a high calorie creamy deposit of carbs and protein in your mouth.

Amedias. If that were the case then there would have to have been a massive shift in our biology/external biological influence over recent years to account for such a large change in population weight distribution, and it would not be limited to the so-called developed world.

Unless that external influence was a foodstuff almost exclusively limited to the developed world, like fructose in – well, most processed foods. It supposedly alters your insulin balance, changing the tendency to put down fat.

http://www.forbes.com/2008/12/21/fat-fuel-biodiesel-tech-sciences-cz_pcb_1222fatfuel.html

hang on a minute… the women who accosted me today, crossed the road to the wall i was sitting on to tell me off. she was fat, but i restrained myself from mentioning that. if passive smoke is so bad stay the **** away from me while i am smoking

in fact you may have helped her, that detour across the road was extra calories used. Keep smoking that man and for every fatty that goes out of their way to tell you off, think “yep that’s a quarter of a kitkat I’ve saved you, no need to thank me it’s a public service”

Have you looked to see how much HFCC is in UK food? Not much that I’ve seen. Yop was the first thing I saw that had it, it’s labeled as glucose-fructose syrup here.