"Muslim" terrorists attack French magazine in Paris

I’ve been providing answers the whole time

Is that the case here?

Nope you’ve just been peddling your usual epic waffle, changing the subject, positing ill judged supposition as fact and then leaving faux enigmatic rhetorical questions like, ‘makes you think, doesn’t it’ all over the place like freshly delivered piles of cow excrement.

Still, it could just be aliens.

I can but try; been doing pretty well so far, even if I do say so myself

From all the stuff you have posted on here that isn’t true,

That was the funniest.

Your ability to asses reality, if that is what you think is happening here is tragically flawed

I’d like to to know what other utter pish I’ve supplied?

I am going to save time and list your credible links

Here is the complete list

You are welcome 8)

Meanwhile back to je suis Charlie

After Erdogan, Diuedonne….we now have Rousell

That entente was short lived and hardly cordiale!

JHJ – you obviously have an interest in geopolitics. Why are you surprised that intelligence agencies talk and act together?

We talk to our friends and spy on our enemies
We talk to our enemies and spy on our friends
Always have done, always will
Phone taps anyone?

From 3:30 onwards

My Spanish isn’t what it was but it’s clear here that the footage is just some crisis acting, and not very good acting at that. Smoke from a can in the copper’s hand!

Yes, I would say most things that bring out the western scum leaders usually are false flags
-9/11 – you have to be an absolute moron to believe the official story (no offence to any morons here)
-7/7 – no way in hell those patsies could get across London in the time to be where they were supposed to – and I don’t mean Greggs
-Sandy Hook – crisis actors all over the place
-Boston bombing – as above, pictures of fake blood etc.
All used to introduce mass surveillance we normally wouldn’t entertain, further wars on the middle east, or in the last two cases push for gun control to disarm citizens, which tyrants tend to do to groups they want rid of (Hitler to Jews, colonisers to native Americans).
Glad we got that settled.

Now how are we gonna stop the onset of a global police state and a possible WW3? Any constructive suggestions?
It’d be embarrassing if in the future your kids ask you why you didn’t do anything when it was so obvious, like duuuh.

Words fail me.

Researching Project Blue Book[/url] documents would be a much more productive use of some peoples time! 🙄

Words don’t fail me it is just pointless continue to argue with people who are members of a self reinforcing cult of paranoia and disbelief . So jive with respect a I disagree with you 6079 I don’t agree with you either.

Charlie Hebdo n others on Cycling

If you want WW3. You don’t have the Islamic black flag in the French Capital, you have it in the US.

I think you’re wrong there piemonster… Ww3 will need to involve Europe.. And that pillock advisor on fox news was very quick to leap up and tell the US public that Europe was fast becoming a muslim enclave..
The US will be here to liberate us in short order, have no fear

I hope so Yunki, I’m running short of nylons and chewing gum.

Conspiracy theorists love conspiracy theories, simple as that.

My point earlier about the conspiracy theories etc…

Just because there are loons out there desperate to believe any conspiracy, doesn’t mean that everything is exactly how it’s presented to us in the mainstream media. Just look at historical evidence, declassified documents etc – some of the stuff the US has had to publish about what their security services have done is outrageous.

I don’t generally believe in any complex conspiracy theories – Occam’s Razor and all that, but I don’t think anything should be discounted out of hand just because it sounds unlikely. ‘Nutty conspiracy theorists’ have been saying for years that there is a network of rich and powerful paedophiles who protect each others interests and have covered up sickening abuse. Doesn’t seem quite so nutty now does it.

Having said all that I think JHJ and the other fella are pretty deranged and the ‘evidence’ they produce is largely nonsense. Just don’t throw the baby out with the bath water is all I’m saying.

Edit: whilst some of Jive’s points stretch the imagination the fact the killers turned up for the editorial meeting suggests they were being provided information by others and may have been acting on orders.

… or simply that they struck lucky, a complete coincidence.

It just occurred to me that jivehoney and his ilk may be suffering from the same internal effect as those who believe in any of the large variety of gods on offer – they think they detect things that are not actually there, due to some irresistable impulse to find the “reality” BEHIND the actual reality …

@grum, I do agree with your comments on US foreign policy, especially in Latin America. It’s clear the US has supplied assistance to the Free Syrian Army, that’s one reason ISIS spent most of their early efforts attacking them, they’d rather kill other Muslims than have a US influenced government in Syria. I’ve always had the view the Paedophiles work in circles and have infiltrated the police/courts etc.

Doesn’t seem quite so nutty now does it.

crying wolf at everything, you’re statistically (aswell as allegorically) gonna get a wolf turning up at some point and just as in the story having a history of lupine fixation isn’t conducive to getting people to believe you.

In the same way that I never watched the ‘The Matrix’ in full, I cannot somehow manage to read this entire thread. All I can offer is ‘be excellent to each other’ . The rest is pish.

‘Nutty conspiracy theorists’ have been saying for years that there is a network of rich and powerful paedophiles who protect each others interests and have covered up sickening abuse. Doesn’t seem quite so nutty now does it. “
Well nobody has ever denied paedophiles exist nobody has denied that sexual deviancy crosses all social and economic groups nobody has ever denied that people protect those important to them . nobody has ever denied that at various points the victims of abuse have not been central to the concerns of justice ( see corroboration requirement in English law up till the 80S). What has been denied disputed and ridiculed is that we are ruled over by Lizards (what ever you take that to mean) for whom child abuse is a central plank of their command and control structures . Child abuse occurs and can range from the relatively bland to the truly sickening, cover-ups occur for a variety of motives but the over arching conspiracy theory remains utterly nutty . The adherents and disciples do indeed run the risk of creating a climate where babies go down the drain along with their nonsense.

Just because there are loons out there desperate to believe any conspiracy, doesn’t mean that everything is exactly how it’s presented to us in the mainstream media.

Yeah, I don’t disagree. But then, I’m pretty sure that most people wouldn’t. As others have said, if you throw enough stones you’re going to hit something sooner or later because Statistics.

The problem is, really, the ‘crying wolf’ argument. JHJ touts such a sheer volume of irrelevant, ill-researched and, sorry but it’s true, ignorant “facts” and misinformation that when he does accidentally stumble across something that turns out to be true, a) everyone ignores him and b) he can then jump up going “see, see, I told you, when will you listen.”

Some of the stuff I’ve seen posted about the CH tragedy (not necessarily by JHJ but by the rest of the bottom half of the Internet) has been particularly distasteful. I recently watched a video of the poor policeman actually getting shot (not by choice, I didn’t realise they were going to show it) and I really wish I hadn’t, it’s something that will stay with me for a long time. It was then followed by a “moon landings were faked” style deconstruction of why it couldn’t possibly be real. “Here’s an AK47 shooting a watermelon,” yes, yes, but heads aren’t made out of watermelons, you might as well show an image of a knife going through butter as an argument as to why it should’ve made more of a mess than it did of steel plate. All the while the commentator is telling us that people don’t understand how guns work, whilst completely failing to understand how guns work.

Being generous, I find the whole CH conspiracy theories distasteful and disrespectful at best, so soon after the event.

The flak jacket is real, the conspiracy theory is BS.

Charlie Hebdo shares the building with some other publications and a press agency called Premiers Lignes, who specialise in sending reporters to the front lines of conflicts. Surprisingly enough they keep kevlar vests in their stores, which would prove useful should a journalist need to leave the office and fly to a war-torn corner of the world at the drop of a hat.

@Cougar, I watched the full shooting video by choice, I felt I had to see it. I have also watched full shooting videos from ISIS executing prisoners. I directed Jive to do so as its clear you don’t necessarily see blood and exploding heads if you are shot with a high powered rifle at close range. Of course the conspiracy theories so close to the event are distasteful, the people putting them out have no taste they are just interested in their own hobby.

JHJ – you obviously have an interest in geopolitics. Why are you surprised that intelligence agencies talk and act together?

I’m not at all surprised, but as we have seen from past performances, the covert operations they carry out all over the world usually result in the exact opposite of the peace they preach.

For example, as I’ve said many times, Operation Cyclone, which is the origin of Al-Qaeda and ultimately key to 9/11 happening (that is before you start to entertain theories about deliberate Saudi and Israeli involvement~ we’ll see more on that when the redacted 28 pages of the 9/11 report are published)

The fact is, war is an industry… it profits the arms industry, private military contractors (mercenaries), security firms and the intelligence services themselves. That these same industries profit the moguls who run much of the media is no coincidence to the warped version of events portrayed in the majority of the news we receive.

Whether unwittingly, or by design, they have been engineering a scenario which is setting us on a path for World War 3.

I could be wrong, hopefully I am, but if I was right, wouldn’t you want to know?

@ ocrider

That’s a prime example of the Con Theorist’s habit of looking at a bus and thinking they’ve seen a racehorse, simply by jumping to the first conclusion that seems to fit their hair-brained hypothesis.

Well done that man. 🙂

For example, as I’ve said many times

Yes, Please stop. Do some listening.

cover-ups occur for a variety of motives but the over arching conspiracy theory remains utterly nutty .

I think this is a very good point, you only need see how homosexuality in positions of power was dealt with over the decades, a great many good people lost their jobs because it opened them up to the risk of blackmail (for example by foreign powers) if made public, indeed the threat of exposure was frequently used in this fashion, the suggestion that someone with a known direct involvement in paedophilia would be tolerated in a senior position, when it opened them up as a security risk through blackmail or risk of exposure is fanciful.

What is believable is that if someone became known then they were quietly moved and dismissed/resigned without the very public embarrassment to the civil service/police/church etc. of police involvement and a trial, it Was ‘hushed up’ when discovered, rather than tolerated (though in later years there was certainly an acceptance of homosexuality for example, as long as nobody rocked the boat and risked becoming an embarrassment, Jeremy Thorpe springs to mind here)

Of course, there’s also no doubt our security services became aware of people involved in child abuse, no doubt we moved to limit the risk, I suspect that little could have ever been proved about Cyril smith at the time as far as a criminal prosecution went, but suspect that had the liberals come to power he would have been quietly sidelined, I also suspect that the security services would wish to be very careful about straying into the area of exposing the wrongdoings of politicians that they had discovered) and no doubt that in some cases we turned a blind eye to it so that we could blackmail our enemies (Eg. Russian agents, certain IRA members) – and whilst this may be shameful and terrible in a great many ways. I don’t think it’s anything like the sort of conspiracy which the truth seekers are looking for.

Do you ever leave your bedroom?

ninfan – do I have to post this video again?

If I have to state the obvious – I DON’T believe that world leaders are secretly lizards, or that child abuse is ‘central to their control structure’ (whatever that means).

Yeah, I don’t disagree. But then, I’m pretty sure that most people wouldn’t.

I dunno – quite a few people on here seem so keen to dismiss JHJ etc that they are ignoring/discounting credible and disturbing evidence.

Admittedly the nutty conspiracy theorists probably do contribute to people getting away with stuff they shouldn’t because people assume it’s ALL nonsense when so much of it is.

I dunno – quite a few people on here seem so keen to dismiss JHJ etc that they are ignoring/discounting credible and disturbing evidence.

Quite the reverse. See ocrider’s post.

ocriders post is indeed enlightening and puts one concern to rest…

which is a good thing, but the others remain~ any further pieces of the puzzle to debunk are welcome, but as it stands, there is still much to question… why the edit around 0:17 for example?

As regards child abuse in the context of the IRA and blackmail, look into Kincora

to avoid going off topic too far, it might be worth checking out this thread on the subject:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-the-bbc-news-now

which is a good thing, but the others remain~ any further pieces of the puzzle to debunk are welcome, but as it stands, there is still much to question… why the edit around 0:17 for example?

In that clip there are at least two cuts, and the last section of the film seems to be from the beginning in real time. The guy in the blue shirt and body armour crossing the roof at the end seems to be the same man taking cover next to the camera.
The cut at 0:17s could simply be a section removed while the camera was not focused, for example filming the back of a chimney stack while shots are being fired below.
The disjointed order and, possible, lack of continuity strikes me as a piece being edited in a rush and then aired before completion, rather than anything fabricated.

Perhaps the film was cut as the phone camera “times out” or the person filming it touched the wrong button.

Do you ever leave your bedroom?

Runnnnn! Binners has the snipers moving in.

For example, as I’ve said many times, Operation Cyclone, which is the origin of Al-Qaeda and ultimately key to 9/11 happening (that is before you start to entertain theories about deliberate Saudi and Israeli involvement~ we’ll see more on that when the redacted 28 pages of the 9/11 report are published)

I saw the link to Bin Laden / Al-Q in that he thought the West/US did not do enough to protect Muslims in Slovakia (ie the genocide in Shrebrenica where the Dutch UN peacekeepers released the Muslim mean sheltering with them). Bin Laden fought there.

In that clip there are at least two cuts, and the last section of the film seems to be from the beginning in real time. The guy in the blue shirt and body armour crossing the roof at the end seems to be the same man taking cover next to the camera.
The cut at 0:17s could simply be a section removed while the camera was not focused, for example filming the back of a chimney stack while shots are being fired below.
The disjointed order and, possible, lack of continuity strikes me as a piece being edited in a rush and then aired before completion, rather than anything fabricated.

That seems like a perfectly reasonable analysis… my only remaining concern is whether or not it was broadcast as ‘live footage’ at the time

Runnnnn! Binners has the snipers moving in.

Bring it, I’ll make kittens of the hardiest men. 8)

my only remaining concern is whether or not it was broadcast as ‘live footage’ at the time

Broadcast as ‘breaking news’ possibly, I don’t think phone camera footage can be broadcast live? That would require a direct link.

Fair point… it could also be in the context of ‘live developments’… as the ‘Israeli Official’ tweet shows, with the speed of modern communication, minor errors and misinterpretation are possible.

@jive, its not hard to imagine French bureaucracy would mean they are not the fastest to distribute news

I can but try; been doing pretty well so far, even if I do say so myself

Realistically, the only thing you’ve been doing well as far as I’m concerned is have me head in hands muttering “you’ve got to be sh!tting me” to myself.