"Muslim" terrorists attack French magazine in Paris

You crack me up on these threads jambalaya. Spectacularly missing points and avoiding awkward questions. Anyway, do you believe Israel creates conditions which foment terrorism? Or do Palestinians just not like Jews? Is it purely a religion thing?

Glad to be of some use, occasionally. Quite surprised you think I avoid issues, I comment very openly and directly. As for questions people just post these shopping lists and think they warrant an answer. I am not aware of any awkward questions here.

The terrorists exist and they would do so independent of Israels actions. The West tried to appease Hitler and it didn’t work out. What you see on the streets of Paris yesterday is exactly what Israel is dealing with on a daily basis.

you think I avoid issues

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It’s not just me is it?

hmm do you think the french will try the israeli tactic of cramming all the muslims into a giant concentration camp, put big walls around them, restrict their food, power, sanitation etc?

Another useless thread with the usual suspects spouting rubbish like stuck records to demonstrate their impeccable 6th form activist credentials. You’d all bend over backwards to take it from anyone, as long as it justified your comfortable contrary views. Sanctimonious, solipsistic, infantile idiots.

Another useless thread…

no likey, no click on thready
(or post to it)

@kimber – you forgot to mention the Egyptians, their closure of the Raffa broder crossing is far more significant and has a far greater impact on Gazans than the Israeli border crossing. The Eyptians have demolished all houses within a few hunderd meters of the border and done all they can to destroy the smuggling tunnels. Gazan shops are full of food shipped in from Israel

@bainbrge – its a debate, a lively and at times hostile one but its a debate. If you don’t want to read it follow another thread.

It always interests me all the mud slinging, the fact is the governments of the UK (Labour, Coalition), US etc agree with me. An inconvenient truth for some here I suspect.

jambalaya – Member
Quite surprised you think I avoid issues.

Don’t take it personally. It’s a hackneyed debate tactic, usually deployed by people who are, in fact, doing the same themselves.

An inconvenient truth for some here I suspect

or you follow the government line which many people disagree with, could be another way of looking at it.

Thanks for your contribution bainbrge – you really turned things around.

Quite surprised you think I avoid issues, I comment very openly and directly.

You’ve completely ignored several direct questions I’ve asked you – not only in this thread but in several others.

I’ll ask you again jambalaya, is terrorism wrong full-stop, or does it depend on the circumstances/who’s doing it? Was the terrorism which helped found the state of Israel justifiable, and is it ok to laud those who committed those acts as heroes?

Don’t take it personally. It’s a hackneyed debate tactic, usually deployed by people who are, in fact, doing the same themselves.

It’s not really a hackneyed debate tactic to ask someone to answer a simple question which they won’t because it reveals their own staggering hypocrisy. And what questions/issues are you suggesting that Darcy or I are avoiding?

Good thread so far, lots of differing views, I find myself agreeing with totally contradictory ones. I haven’t seen any divine intervention from the mods despite calls to make people “disappear”, no bans I’m aware of, this freedom of speech thing has a lot going for it.

I suppose that arguing for deportation of someone who’s ancestry comes from a different country might be analogous to deporting me to Denmark if I committed a crime (blowing up a random mosque, say) because the original “Woppit” came over in the 5th century with Hengist and Horsa and settled in the midlands.

You could argue that a born national (of whatever lineage) is a country’s own problem to deal with, but you could also argue that the deportation to a country who’s culture is more aligned with their own silly views (Saudi Arabia, let’s say, or “IS”) should be welcomed by the deportees.

However, the terrorists don’t want to necessarily live in a country like that, they want to make YOUR country like that so that they can live in it.

As Chris Hitchens once said – (I may be paraphrasing here) – “You’d think religious people would simply be happy with their religion and just get on with it but no, they won’t be happy until YOU believe as well…”

Its all about power and control Wopster. They don’t really care if you believe or not, as long as you’re subservient to ‘it’ and the rules that they then attach to ‘it’

Thats why when they finally get their belloved Sharia Caliphate, they then all furiously set about a deadly game of ‘I’m more Islamic than you’. With predictable results. Its like a not-even-remotely-funny version of the Life of Brian

thats the pyramid selling bit of it.

Predictable response from Pegida link

Shocking survey result;

A survey published on Thursday but conducted in November, before widespread coverage of Pegida, showed that 61% of Germans believed Islam had no place in the West.

Definitely not avoiding any questions/issues then jambalaya? 😆

So we can assume that you do think sometimes terrorism is ok, but only when it’s the good guys doing it.

grum

Definitely not avoiding any questions/issues then jambalaya?

He’s trolling the **** out of you Grum. Give up.

It’s a hackneyed debate tactic, usually deployed by people who are, in fact, doing the same themselves.

Aw bless I hurt someoens feelings and now we have a blood feud

or if you prefer

It’s not really a hackneyed debate tactic to ask someone to answer a simple question which they won’t because it reveals their own staggering hypocrisy

Putting it bluntly if iran and israel did exactly the same thing Jambalaya would call one terrorists and then tell us how the other was both legal and the victims fault….see bombing of UN schools for an example

See if he answer directly about the formation of israel as well

Head of MI5 speaking later today,

It is too early for us to come to judgments about the precise details or origins of the attack but it is a terrible reminder of the intentions of those who wish us harm.
Wow insightful that

difference between understanding the causes and “think its ok”
your insistence that all violent action is terrorism makes your statement impossible to answer respond to – but you already know that.

@ binners

I think you’ve made a massive point, there.

I agree.

difference between understanding the causes and “think its ok”
your insistence that all violent action is terrorism makes your statement impossible to answer respond to – but you already know that.

You can debate my definition of terrorism if you like – but you can’t debate that the Lehi gang were terrorists under any definition.

jimjam – you may well be right but I think he might genuinely believe his own hypocritical BS.

@ binners

I think you’ve made a massive point, there.

… and I think the squabbling kids clustered around our discussion should stop for a minute and think about it.

14.27 Two armed men have been reportedly spotted in the woods outside Villers-Cotterets.

Our photographer Heathcliffe O’Malley, who is on the N2 outside of Paris, near the village of Longpont, has just spoken to a man who was warned to leave a local restaurant “because the police were coming”.

The restaurant owner said that he had been told “two armed men are in the woods”.

Police are gathering in what looks like a farmhouse, outside the village.
What do we reckon, will they be zipped up and carried out or dragged out?
Considering they zapped two coppers, I’m going with the zip and carry option.

[qoute]Its all about power and control Wopster. They don’t really care if you believe or not, as long as you’re subservient to ‘it’ and the rules that they then attach to ‘it’[/quote]
Well of course. That’s precisely what religion was used for in “the West” for centuries. it’s nothing to do with belief, it’s to do with idealism and control.

The terrorists exist and they would do so independent of Israels actions.

Nothing could be further from the truth. If Israel didn’t behave the way it did, terrorist organisations wouldn’t get volunteers to stuff envelopes, let alone kill people. It is precisely the hopelessness of a struggle against Israel and its US client that makes people turn to the promise of fulfilment in the afterlife via a bearded imaginary friend.

even two cops down, the gendarmes will realise that the world is watching closely, from both sides.

so i will go for dragged kicking/screaming

would anyone be surprised if they died in custody tho’

your insistence that all violent action is terrorism

So, help us out – define “terrorism”. You can illustrate your answer by reference to Nelson Mandela, the Nicaraguan Contras, LEHI and the Stern Gang, the French Resistance, IRA, US War of Independence, etc etc etc

hels – Member
Has the chewkw character been written out of this thread already ?

Someone got to work for a living you know … 🙄
Written out of this thread? Nahhh … just don’t have the time to response.
So what’s up? What’s your argument or as they say what’s your beef? 😆

squirrelking – Member
If you ignore him he goes away like most lunatics.

Like most zombie maggots he (squirrelking) is exactly like my communist grandfather who could only see one dimension. However, this zombie moggot(squirrelking) has the tendency to blame the politician and constantly try to score points even when event happened in other places. He hates anything and everything resembling centre right to right because to him they are all enemies. If he is in the army he would gladly shoot his own in the back. What he does not realise is he and the extreme right are merely the different side of the same coin. They cannot live without each other. They could be husband and husband. 🙄

Back to the thread, anyone mentioned the Southern Philippines? Go there get your head off perhaps? Whatever you think that the South is doing right then you are wrong. They have tried to annex us since the late 60s and local politicians are leeching the whole place dry in preparation for eventual annexation. If you sympathies with the rebels then you are condemning the entire natives of N. Borneo to demise. I on the other hand is already in GeordieLand but I fear for the natives there.

Also the so called Ghandi’s “an eye for an eye thing …” FFS! Sometimes you just have to eradicate the whole problem no matter how long it takes once and for all. Yes, both sides will have losses but isn’t zombie maggots in this world suppose to do so? Otherwise, the world will be too populated? Even if the world population depletes by half it will regenerate in no time.

As for the AK47 I hope they are permanently confined “Papillon” style system in total isolation.

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wrecker

What do we reckon, will they be zipped up and carried out or dragged out?
Considering they zapped two coppers, I’m going with the zip and carry option.

They’ll just disappear them. Apparently disappearing Islamic fundamentalists is the key to eradicating them.

even two cops down, the gendarmes will realise that the world is watching closely, from both sides.

so i will go for dragged kicking/screaming
Reported as armed though, plenty of scope(!) to put them down.

would anyone be surprised if they died in custody tho’

😀
*allo allo policeman accent*
‘ee was just pissing and ‘ee fall oot uf the wondiw. eet was all so kweek, blonk and yuw mees eet.

They’ll just disappear them. Apparently disappearing Islamic fundamentalists is the key to eradicating them.

I would have no problem with that.

it really doesn’t matter what started the fire, the really important thing is to put it out!

hmm do you think the french will try the israeli tactic of cramming all the muslims into a giant concentration camp, put big walls around them, restrict their food, power, sanitation etc?

well they helped the germans do it to the jews so i think its a possibility!

I haven’t seen any divine intervention from the mods

they work in mysterious ways that aren’t always immediately obvious.

jimjam – Member
They’ll just disappear them. Apparently disappearing Islamic fundamentalists is the key to eradicating them.

Don’t care what they do to them but torturing would be good …

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Couldn’t think of a way to respond to that, given that it’s chewkw. Advocating torture. I very nearly….

Um, no. Not yet. Not quite. Let’s see how much rope gets used.

Couldn’t think of a way to respond to that, given that it’s chewkw

The same way you would to any other pantomime dame?

Good thread so far, lots of differing views,

this freedom of speech thing has a lot going for it.

Bravo to that.

I don’t have the time or the intellect to get into an online debate with you lot , but many interesting & thought provoking comments on here .It’s even sparked debate in our work tearoom – mistake – they are all now definitely voting ukip. 🙂

back to the op. I hope the fascist cowards responsible for the attack don’t get the martyrdom that they think’s coming to them….

Mr Woppit – Member

Couldn’t think of a way to respond to that, given that it’s chewkw. Advocating torture. I very nearly….

Um, no. Not yet. Not quite. Let’s see how much rope gets used.

Well, it’s an alternative to all your suggestion and I am just pointing out to one option amongst many.

What’s yours then? What would you do to the AK47 shooters?

lemonysam – Member
The same way you would to any other pantomime dame?

Drama queen ^^^ … 😆

I hope the fascist cowards responsible for the attack don’t get the martyrdom that they think’s coming to them.

Me too. Get them in court, demystify the bogeyman, then lock them up and throw away the key.

Problem is, this outcome is unlikely when two fruit loops armed with AK-47s are slowly backed into a corner.

Like you know a fraction of things these types get up to….

You are right. We only get to see the trivial stuff like guantanamo bay and reports on water boarding and the like.

You can have as many “special forces” or Drones or whatever, the problem has not only not gone away, its got worse.

They’ll just disappear them. Apparently disappearing Islamic fundamentalists is the key to eradicating them.

I don’t know, however many you kill thinking this is the way to eradicate them, they have god on their side, and a belief they will get to heaven, either when they are killed, or take part in a suicide bombing. Its a powerful thing belief, so good luck in trying to kill them, because there will be more to replace them.

What’s yours then? What would you do to the AK47 shooters?

I refer you to my answer already given on page 2.

Or we could just engage in a list of hysterical gibberish about AK47’s and sticking things under toenails…