Liz! Truss!

Energy-wise and long term it needs to be small scales renewables on a massive scale. Probably with some level of local storage.

And yet just two miles up the road from me people are losing their shit because a large solar farm is planned.

On land you can barely see from any road, and land that would in all likelihood be used for housing in the next 5-10 years otherwise.

I’m sure I heard a touch of thatchers twang in that speech, where she talks deep.

Do you think she’s being having speech lessons to make her sound more like thatcha?

Thatcher famously had extensive speech coaching from someone at the Royal National Theatre to make herself sound both more authorative and less whinny, but I doubt Truss has gone to that extreme.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11251919/From-shrill-housewife-to-Downing-Street-the-changing-voice-of-Margaret-Thatcher.html

Good to see the same posters giving a new Tory leader the benefit of the doubt. Only fair I suppose, it’s not like she’s been in government the whole time they’ve been making those of us on lower incomes poorer while filling the pockets of their backers, bribers and contacts.

Energy-wise and long term it needs to be small scales renewables on a massive scale. Probably with some level of local storage.

They could/should write into law tommorow, that ALL new builds have to have solar panels on the roof. No exceptions. Solar panels are cheap, dont contain rare earth elements, dont require any maintenance (other than a wipe down if they get filthy, but cant imagine thats beyond the scope of a windowcleaner).

same goes for grey water or rain water recycling.

The only reason i can imagine that simple efficiencies are not legal requirements, is because messers Taylor, Wimpey and Barratt are good chums with the government.

land that would in all likelihood be used for housing in the next 5-10 years otherwise.

That’s not really a bad thing. We need to build a lot more new homes, all of them with solar panels.

**** it, bring back council houses and drop the right to buy.

Good to see the same posters giving a new Tory leader the benefit of the doubt. Only fair I suppose, it’s not like she’s been in government the whole time they’ve been making those of us on lower incomes poorer while filling the pockets of their backers, bribers and contacts.

I think it’s the opposite. Too many folk have called her a disaster before she’s done a thing as PM.

What’s wrong with giving someone a shot – seeing what they do and then take apart?

Seems to be the smart position to me.

(Of course Tories/Neoliberalism will always ruin everything long term. That’s built-in.)

But yeah it’s STW – hysterics and sound bites get the attention.

bring back council houses and drop the right to buy

And with council houses you could have one system collecting across many rooftops, making it cheaper still.

What’s wrong with giving someone a shot

She’s had a shot. We’ve seen her as a minister. Spending money on increasing her own self importance and profile and doing nothing to help anyone. She doesn’t “get a chance” from me, I want her out as soon as possible, and I want her party kept away from government for a generation. We’ve seen what they do, time for them to go. No fourth chances just because they’ve changed leader again. They have to go.

I think it’s the opposite. Too many folk have called her a disaster before she’s done a thing as PM.

Whilst admittedly there does seem to be a bit of hysteria from some I think it is reasonable not to give her the benefit of the doubt.
She has been in government for years and has had a track record of being useless.
I guess there is an outside chance she will suddenly rise to the occasion and be a great PM but I think its a bit of a slim hope especially given her campaign speeches to date.

She’s had a shot. We’ve seen her as a minister. Spending money on increasing her own self importance and profile and doing nothing to help anyone

Well it’s all you’ve got currently and she’s PM. That’s not the same.

If she spends money as opposed to all the tax cuts that everyone said was at the top of the list then she’s already moved her position to a more sensible place.

That would be a good start.

How you can come to a conclusion it will help no one is unfathomable until details are out.

It’s funny but I’m sure you were a proponent of Starmer’s price cap. Did he offer that up because it might put him a better position in the polling? So increasing his popularity?

It’s not news that politicians do things to appease their voters.

The idea that she’s thick and stupid is ridiculous. She knows what’s she’s doing at least short term.

Honestly, I’ve no idea whether she is thick or highly intelligent. But one thing she demonstrably is not is quick-witted. Thinking on her feet is not her forté, and that’s not a good look in someone representing the entire country.

When have thread titles been that linear you can’t talk about related issues?

Thread drift is natural and usually welcome. Having the same discussion scattered across multiple threads leads to closure as a duplicate (and it’s monumentally tedious).

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“£100bn is going to be spent and that would bring in a freeze in energy bills.. till 2024. Labour policy was £28bn for only 6 months.. the Conservatives have outflanked you on this”

Rayner: “no because we cant just keep pouring money in” ‘

Deary me, Truss is already in front.

She’s had a shot. We’ve seen her as a minister.

Starmer was responsible for Labour’s disastrous Brexit policy at the last GE. Are you saying we shouldn’t have given him a chance as LOTO?

Thread drift is natural and usually welcome. Having the same discussion scattered across multiple threads leads to closure as a duplicate (and it’s monumentally tedious).

But with respect – it’s not, it’s discussion about leaders of the parties (and politics generally) in context of the current PM.

In fact I would go one further to compare and contrast political leader’s decisions is essential for robust discussion and stay on topic.

Don’t you find the over reactions to the topic drift more tedious?

Also it only flares up when there’s a point to be made.

Honestly, I’ve no idea whether she is thick or highly intelligent. But one thing she demonstrably is not is quick-witted. Thinking on her feet is not her forté, and that’s not a good look in someone representing the entire country.

Fair point. I would call her from what I’ve observed ‘Dizzy’ if I was joining in.

But as a person she’s probably got a lot more about her than we know.

Thinking on her feet is not her forté, and that’s not a good look in someone representing the entire country.

This is where we do run into presentation issues vs what we need the PM to do. Outside of “we believe there are incoming nukes. do you want to order Trident to respond?” how important is this good look? Isnt it better to have someone go “let me think about that for a bit”?
I have had a few discussions with PMs/scrum masters etc explaining why its useful to actually be told what needs discussing in advance or alternatively why they might need to wait for a response. I have also when I cant be arsed with that just sprouted some waffle to confuse them.
The latter might appear to be thinking on my feet was it was pure junk which would only impress those incapable of understanding the actual issues.

Rayner: “no because we cant just keep pouring money in” ‘

Deary me, Truss is already in front

Jesus.

Why should Labour want to protect the screwed market economy?

I knew this would be their position if they got outflanked.

Good to see the same posters giving a new Tory leader the benefit of the doubt.

Oh bugger off. No one is giving her the benefit of the doubt, just pointing out the bleeding obvious. She’s not even been in power a day and if reports are correct she’s already proved the people on here wrong that she’s a rightwing ideologue who wouldn’t lift a finger to solve the energy price crisis. What’s more it looks like she’s already outflanked starmer who everyone was calling a saint for his 29bn half measures.

I’m sure her plans won’t be perfect, they’ll help the rich more than the poor and protect profiteering corporates but that’s not really the point. All the voters care about is the number on their bill. And if that doesn’t go up in October she will get the credit and Starmer will be left standing with his dick in the wind again.

i should be proud a fellow ACMA is PM, i’m not.

Devil in the detail of Truss’s plan, will it be a loan ala Sunak’s plan, or a straight out bailout or a combo of both, will it be different for businesses, for a while year or just 4 months ?
Fact is the Tories wasted the summer when they should have been planning this out
If she keeps her tax cuts , on top of the borrowing then they’ve got an excuse for more austerity, I don’t think that would go down well.

On top of all that I’m still waiting to the personal life scandals to break, I’m guessing those superinjunctions won’t last forever

Breaking:

Price freeze for 18 months, to be paid back by consumers over the next 10 to 20 years.

Package for small business to be “more complex”.

Ugh delaying is shit.

But by then there will be a different solution.

We won’t be paying it back.

Lol at Dazh for articulating it better than I could.

dazh
She’s not even been in power a day and if reports are correct she’s already proved the people on here wrong that she’s a rightwing ideologue who wouldn’t lift a finger to solve the energy price crisis.

Just my thoughts here, I’m not getting into the big “discussions”in the thread ok guys.👍

Anyway…

In fairness, I and many others in the last few pages have pointed out that she will change policy at the drop of a hat. She doesn’t have any real ideology on my opinion.

Policy will be decided on the hoof, just as Boris did.

Just my opinion anyway.😁

We won’t be paying it back.

Yes we will.

Remember that the Tories exist purely to keep power and wealth in the hands of the powerful and wealthy.

There is no way on earth they will do any redistribution towards the less well off. What they will do is a con. Pay a bit less now pay a lot more later.

Oh bugger off.

No thanks.

Devil in the detail of Truss’s plan, will it be a loan ala Sunak’s plan, or a straight out bailout or a combo of both

As I predicted, it’ll be the former that’s proposed at first. The public and Labour will drag her towards the latter by Christmas, I hope.

will it be different for businesses

That’ll be the big question, once domestic users are clear what’s happening for them and SME businesses are folding everywhere.

She doesn’t have any real ideology on my opinion.

I think she does however she wont let that get in the way if there is too much bad press. So expect the taxcuts and other perks and then just enough to keep the press quiet going the other way.

So it will be like a small mortgage for energy? Maybe, as energy costs seem to be ever increasing, it will be something that you can pass on to your children.

Will this also be used to help pay for new nuclear?

All the voters care about is the number on their bill.

I don’t.

The UK energy market is broken. It needs fixing not propping up.

All of the utilities need nationalising.

The country needs more left wing policies to fix this damage that has been done by the far right nut jobs.

LOL! Wouldn’t matter who got the PM gig – most on here wouldn’t give any conservative a chance no matter what they achieved – create world peace, end famine, solve global warming – even the slightest thought of praising a Tory would send them into convulsions. 🙂

most on here wouldn’t give any conservative a chance no matter what they achieved – create world peace, end famine, solve global warming

I don’t recall any of those things being promised by a tory, ever…

Good old Liz. Not just a pretty face.

Yes we will.

What with? Where’s the money coming from?

We won’t.

Tories gonna tory muffinman

They willnever do anything that redistributes wealth to the less wealthy. Its against their entire reason for existing.

They will try to con folk that that is what they are doing but it will be a con

the-muffin-man
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LOL! Wouldn’t matter who got the PM gig – most on here wouldn’t give any conservative a chance no matter what they achieved – create world peace, end famine, solve global warming – even the slightest thought of praising a Tory would send them into convulsions.

After 12 years of only really delivering austerity, yes, I’m not really inclined to give the latest in a string of Tory PM’s much praise frankly.

Rone

Increased future bills

solve global warming

When Conservatives were proposing and supporting distributed on land renewables, I praised them for it. I know plenty of people with solar on their roofs because of those old policies, and I can see the windfarms on all my rides. They’ve long since moved well away from that. The Conservative party has been transforming itself while in office… none of that has given people much to cheer them for. Unless you welcome Brexit of course, for some abstract reason.

to be paid back by consumers over the next 10 to 20 years.

It’ll never happen. This is simply a bone thrown to the rightwing of her party and to cover her previous ‘no handouts’ position. Although given Rayner’s brainless and economically illiterate ‘we can’t keep pouring money in’ comment I doubt we can rely on labour to change it in future. In the end there’ll be little between labour and Truss on energy prices. The energy companies will continue to make profits, consumers will pay roughly the same prices as now (or less once wholesale prices reduce), and the govt will underwrite the whole thing, wasting tens of billions in the process as opposed to doing the sensible and economically prudent thing of nationalisation.

I don’t.

The UK energy market is broken. It needs fixing not propping up.

All of the utilities need nationalising.

The country needs more left wing policies to fix this damage that has been done by the far right nut jobs

Agreed but all this is going to happen in stages of need.

Rone

Increased future bills

People can’t afford the bills.

Same problem.

It’ll never happen. This is simply a bone thrown to the rightwing of her party and to cover her previous ‘no handouts’ position

Exactly this.

Can someone link the me the details for package not seen it anywhere yet?

^^No details actually announced as yet, other than what’s been mentioned on here.

Oh, government backed loans for energy providers, that’s the mechanic being used.

Speculation going on with small business intervention. Sounds like they haven’t actually decided how to do that yet.