Labour Party problems

To be fair that is not denying there is a problem is it?

Anyway some quick questions

How much do the people leading the charge here have to lose from a Labour Government financially?

How would the state of Israel feel about a move in position to support Gaza more than them?

I haven’t looked at the rest of the tread, while there are problems in both the main parties, really is this even a top 5 issue for the majority of the UK public?

pinched from another angry voice:  I find it inexplicable how labour party supporters adn members even MPS are letting themselves be played by the tory supporting british board of deputies which claimns to speak for all jews but infact is highly unrepresentative.

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Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With British workers suffering the longest sustained period of declining wages since records began, and ever-increasing numbers of people trapped in exploitative zero hours contracts and the fake self-employment gig economy, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With Theresa May ever-willing to debase Britain and British values by grovelling and crawling before the vile, homophobic, misogynistic, head-chopping, terrorism-exporting, democracy-crushing, genocide-committing tyrants who rule over Saudi Arabia, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With the extreme-right on the rise across the world, fascist governments already ruling over Poland, Hungary and Italy, and the British mainstream media (and especially the BBC) ever keener to offer platforms to extreme-right hate preachers, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With 8 ruinous years of ideologically driven hard-right Tory austerity dogma having pushed literally millions of us to the very brink of getting by, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With British-based businesses screaming out for some basic competence from the Tory government so they can plan for the future rather than worrying about downsizing or relocating because the Tories won’t take the threat of a ruinous “no deal” flounce off the table, and Tory government ministers responding to their perfectly legitimate concerns with statements like “**** business”, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With the rail system in absolute chaos and the legendarily incompetent Chris ‘reverse Midas touch’ Grayling still belligerently refusing to resign as Transport Minister, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With poverty spiralling out of control to such an extent that over two thirds of the kids growing up with lives blighted by poverty today come from working households, and unspeakable numbers of parents are left reliant on food bank handouts to feed their kids, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With the prospect of Scotland breaking away from the Union in order to escape the Westminster-inflicted Brexit chaos they didn’t even vote for growing ever more likely by the day, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With the NHS facing an existential crisis because of massive real terms Tory cuts at a time of increasing demand, and because the Tory government have literally chased away thousands of EU medical staff, whilst deliberately disincentivising tens of thousands of Brits from undertaking medical training through the cancellation of NHS bursaries, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With dark money, electoral cheating, £multi-million campaigns of disgustingly misleading targeted social media ads, and a catastrophically biased and increasingly unhinged mainstream media undermining the very foundations of democracy, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With the Tories slashing renewable energy subsidies and simultaneously hefting vast tax breaks at the spectacularly inefficient and environmentally damaging process of fracking for more hydrocarbons to burn, and doing this while the planet bakes in record-breaking temperatures, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With Britain’s industrial strategy in such a mess that we’re reduced to bribing China into building our major infrastructure projects for us, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With students now leaving university with an astronomical average debt of £50,000+ and over three quarters of the poor bastards facing the prospect of never paying the debt off despite a permanent 9% tax on their disposable incomes for their entire working lives, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With the Tory government continuing their grotesque campaign of systematic abuse, intimidation, and discrimination against sick and disabled people against a backdrop of almost total indifference to this suffering from the cosy mainstream media bubble, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With violent crime spiralling out of control because of Theresa May’s ideologically driven strategy of slashing 21,000 police jobs to deliberately reduce per capita policing levels back down to 1970s levels, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With massive scandals like Windrush, Grenfell Tower, & the Manchester Arena bomber being allowed to breeze back into the UK having been hanging out with his terrorist mates in Syria and Libya (despite numerous warnings from the US and the Manchester Muslim community that he was a dangerous extremist who was planning an atrocity), all simply having been brushed under the carpet and forgotten about, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With the weakest and most incompetent Prime Minister the UK has suffered in decades (if not centuries) allowing the fanatical hard-right Brextremist fringe to wag the Tory dog, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With local government services collapsing all over the country under the strain of an ideologically driven Tory austerity agenda that has seen a 67% reduction in the Local Government departmental budget already, and two Tory councils (Norhamptonshire & East Sussex) already insolvent, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With a massive 8% per pupil real terms funding cut really biting into the education system and Michael Gove’s crackpot school privatisation agenda descending into a cesspit of grotesquely over-inflated executive salaries, fraud, carpetbagging, no bid contracts for friends and family, dodgy land deals, playing field sell-offs, and failing academy chains, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With the Tory party casually stonewalling all calls for an investigation into the disgusting levels of anti-Muslim bigotry in their ranks, and the mainstream media absolutely refusing to push the issue, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With all the evidence pointing to the fact that rates of anti-Semitism in the Tory ranks are far higher than Labour supporters, and senior Tory figures like Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, and Jacob Rees-Mogg gratuitously colluding with the alt-right “kingmaker” Bannon in the hope he can unite the extreme-right ethno-nationalists behind them like he united the Swastika-waving “Jews will not replace us” bigots behind Trump, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

With the bankrupt neoliberal consensus of the last four decades crumbling all around us and the public crying out for a better way of doing things, we have to ask:

Is Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic?

Remember folks, don’t stray from the script. Don’t go getting distracted by reality. There’s only one political subject you should be thinking and talking about now. Otherwise you might just start getting ideas above your station.

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I listened to R5L this morning and Jezza was ya-king on about this YouTube vid he made apologising for every out of bounds word or phrase levelled at Jewish people.

You’d think there was a witch hunt after him wouldn’t you?

Be good when Summer Recess is in and the Press have calmed down or gone on holiday..

Meanwhile, BoZo says that Muslim women look like bank robbers and “it is absolutely ridiculous that people should choose to go around looking like letter boxes” and nobody bats an eyelid. Imagine the meltdown that would follow if Corbyn said that it was ridiculous to go around with a coaster on your head, or whatever ?

Yup – more racism from a proven racist.  the lack of press outrage over the tories overt racism shows just what a trumped up load of nonsense this attack on labour  really is

is this even a top 5 issue for the majority of the UK public?

It is not even in the top 500.  The only bonus about the press harping on about it for so long is that anyone who was even slightly interested at the start is completely bored of it by now (me included)

Majority of people just don’t have the attention span for a story that lasts more than a couple of days.

The Absolute Boy – “Right, everyone. I’ve been on the You TubeFace and said lots of earnest well meaning words. Seumas has rehashed an old article I put in the Standard the last time I fudged an apology and we’ve got that in the Grandiuan. Job done. I’m off to the allotment now, as nothing could possibly go wrong now”

George McManus – “Hold my beer…”

George McManus is a longstanding Momentum-backed member of Labour's National Policy Forum. This is pretty naked antisemitism, jumping straight to the medieval Christian version. pic.twitter.com/scdBQzJPZ6

— Luke Akehurst (@lukeakehurst) August 6, 2018

Ironically, that doesn’t meet the IHRA definition of antisemitism.

Referring to Biblical stories is now “anti-Semitism” ??  Is it still OK to celebrate Christmas?

Yep dare to pop your head above and be prepared to be shot down

Is Jeremy in some kind of weird competition with Boris? He really is helping the Conservatives stay in power.

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-thinks-he-did-not-lay-wreath-to-palestinian-activists-11471739

Is Jeremy in some kind of weird competition with Boris? He really is helping the Conservatives stay in power.

So who is taking their time to go back through all of history here?

Sky News neglected to point out this was back in 2014….

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-45171633/jeremy-corbyn-reacts-to-terror-memorial-claims

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the news “deserves unequivocal condemnation from everyone”.

Something Netanyahu knows a lot about there.

Yet the international ‘community’ don’t seem to care that much that he has so far killed 160 protesters since March.  If any civilised country were doing that you would be hearing much more about it with cries for action.

You can’t come out with stuff like that kerley, you’ll be labelled anti Semitic.

 If any civilised country were doing that you would be hearing much more about it with cries for action.

Seriously they were Palestinian protesters and we all know they are not people

Corbyns answer to Netanyahus tweet which makes outright false claims

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu claims about my actions and words are false.

What deserves unequivocal condemnation is the killing of over 160 Palestinian protesters in Gaza by Israeli forces since March, including dozens of children.

The nation state law sponsored by Netanyahu’s government discriminates against Israel’s Palestinian minority.

I stand with the tens of thousands of Arab and Jewish citizens of Israel demonstrating for equal rights at the weekend in Tel Aviv

He was not laying a wreath to the Munich terrorists.  He was at a ceremony of remembrance for all the Palestinians killed

This is why the Israelis and their apologists are out for Corbyn.  He is not blind to the crimes of the Israeli state

I imagine Netanyahu has been taking advice from Conservative Friends of Israel   or perhaps it’s the other way round 🤔, makes you think eh?.

It’s an easy way to throw shit at your political opponent and let’s not forget that there are 17,410,742 impressionable **** idiots out there who will believe anything that’s fed to them

https://medium.com/@anyabike/corbyns-open-secret-22a70fa03254

Not getting into this argument, but this does seem to shed a little more light on the event JC was present at, providing it isn’t fake news as well, obvs.

The real question here

It’s pretty sad.  We have a Tory government split in so many ways and an opposition who is so inept that they cannot or will not put this matter to bed.  Perhaps if he started coming out with proper policy decisions, putting forward a real alternative to a the existing government, getting all parts of his party on board (even if it meant softening his views), then perhaps the whole Antisemitic stuff would disappear.  At the moment Labour appear to more inept that the Tories, which is quite some doing.

I’ve looked for stuff about what is the direction which Labour would take if they won and it is simply not there.  Even in the left wing main stream media.  Simply saying that we will re-nationalise the railways/water/electricity/….  is not a policy. I want vision, I want Leadership, I want to a hear a clear voice.  If Blair could do so can Corbyn,  Or is he too scared to be heard, too scared to accept that some of views have to change.  Britain will not vote for a hard left party – it might vote for a hard right.  After all we voted (collectively) for Brexit

its as much he gets no platform for anything and is constantly under attack.  I see direct quotes from corbyn most days – and there is lots of policy and clear detail.  Its not reported in the mainstream press as they are almost all tory supporters.  There is no leftwing mainstream press bar the slightly left of centre Mirror.

These attacks are orchestrated by a right wing press and in the case of the antisemitism nonsense far right British jews and the Israeli government.  You know several jewish groups have come out in support of Corbyn?

Corbyn seems fairly unrepentant

Infact it’s an opportunity for him to directly criticize netanyahu & Israel’s human rights record

Israeli PM @Netanyahu's claims about my actions and words are false.

What deserves unequivocal condemnation is the killing of over 160 Palestinian protesters in Gaza by Israeli forces since March, including dozens of children.https://t.co/H5nXqi3pnU

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) August 13, 2018

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What do the people running the Conservative party and the Labour Party have in common, as the respective tails wag their particular dogs?

Cranks.

What I think as I watch this sorry saga drag go on and on and on, is that I wish he seemed as concerned about the Working class, labour voting U.K. citizens about to be ****ed over by the Tory’s as he does about the Gaza Strip

Maybe one of his advisors might have a word and remind him that the inhabitants of the West Bank don’t get to vote at the next general election, and there are one or two more pressing issues closer to home

Maybe one of his advisors might have a word and remind him that the inhabitants of the West Bank don’t get to vote at the next general election, and there are one or two more pressing issues closer to home

and how does he do that? Apologise to Israel for objecting to what they have done? Write a long list of things he may have done that could be considered pro Palestine and publish them tomorrow?

This is a serious campaign like the meeting the IRA stuff before to discredit him, unless you can show who is doing that and what their interests/paymasters are it’s going to be hard to get out of. They will have a list of things to keep drip feeding over the weeks here.

What I think as I watch this sorry saga drag go on and on and on, is that I wish he seemed as concerned about the Working class, labour voting U.K. citizens about to be ****ed over by the Tory’s as he does about the Gaza Strip

He is as concerned it is just that the media don’t want to show that stuff as people may realise he would be a better bet than the Tories.  Remember it is not Corbyn who is dragging the saga on and on.

When the media and opposing politicians realise that the anti-semite thing is not really something a lot of people care about (it seems to be taking them a while) they will move onto something else – and it won’t be about his concern for the working classes.

During the general election, the right-wing press went for the IRA terrorist sympathiser angle, and I don’t think many people cared. Now it’s this, and I still don’t think many are too bothered about having a Twitter spat with the likes of Netanyahu.

But this was all inevitable when he was elected Labour leader. He’s got more baggage than a carousel at Heathrow. The right-wing press must have jumped for joy when he became leader and they’ve not stopped laughing since. They just keep drip-feeding it and once again he’s on the back foot and spending all his time defending whatever it is this week, out of decades worth of politically questionable decisions he’s made.

Meanwhile, I reckon I’m like an awful lot of people who just sighs and wishes we had an opposition party in anything but name, that was capable of taking advantage of the open goal in front of them in the form of this totally inept and floundering government.

Instead it’s yet another week, with the Brexit clock ticking in the background, that Jezza spoons it into Row Z

But this was all inevitable when he was elected Labour leader.

Twice, comprehensively.

Twice, comprehensively.

… by the rest of the sixth form common room. Yes, we know.

And now we’ll just have to accept that, to all intents and purposes, there is no longer an actual serious, electable opposition in this country. Just some noisy placard wavers, a lot of whom have some pretty dubious standpoints on various issues.

Any serious political party would be 20 points clear of this shower. The Tory party is having its internal civil war because it knows that it doesn’t really need to worry about the inept bunch of clowns on the benches opposite them. And you can blame the ‘Blairites’ or the right-wing press, but that’s only a small part of the story. The main point is the total incompetence of the Labour front bench.

You can slag Nu Labour off all you like, but they’d have shut this Antisemitism nonsense down weeks ago

But this was all inevitable when he was elected Labour leader.

Agree and while I think he has changed Labour for the better in bringing them back to what they should be I do think he should step down.  He has done his work but Labour need a leader who has a less protesty history that can’t be used (completely wrongly) against him.  He must realise he has an even more uphill struggle than is normal for a Labour leader

Who that could be is the question.  You need to play the press and the BS politicians at their own game these days and through ethics out of the window until you get into power.

You can slag Nu Labour off all you like, but they’d have shut this Antisemitism nonsense down weeks ago

Yep. It’s a lot easier when Murdoch supports you isn’t it.

Its a lot easier when you understand that when you’re in a hole, stop digging

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You can slag Nu Labour off all you like, but they’d have shut this Antisemitism nonsense down weeks ago

Yep. It’s a lot easier when Murdoch supports you isn’t it.

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Yep. It’s a lot easier when your Leader makes it so easy for Murdoch and the rest of the RW press.

Its a lot easier when you understand that when you’re in a hole, stop digging

Honestly even the BBC has an article that leads against him rather than with the denial, if you think you can do a better job…

The problem is that you can deny it all you like, but if there happens to be photographs of you at that particular place with a wreath in your hand, and your denial amounts to “I was there but I don’t remember laying a wreath”, it’s not very credible, is it?

It comes to something when you’re giving the likes of Benjamin Netanyahu the chance to get all morally huffy.

The bottom line is that all that should matter to a Labour Party leader is the interests of the voters he’s meant to be representing, and Corbyn has consistently failed to do this.

Criticising Israel over its conduct in the occupied territory is fine, but when you seem to have consistently showed more interest in that than, say… oh, I don’t know…. maybe actually getting involved in the EU referendum, for example, instead of just going AWOL to the allotment for the duration?

As others have said – Netanyahu kills 160 protesters, silence; Corbyn lays a wreath (or doesn’t), all hell breaks loose. Strange that the Mail unearth this photo just when Bojo is criticised for racism? I just listened to Justin Webb on R4Today ranting and raving like a Southern US shock-jock when supposedly “interviewing” a Jewish person standing up for Corbyn, so it’s not just the usual culprits(*) doing the smearing.

(*) well, the BBC is actually a usual culprit these days

The bottom line is that all that should matter to a Labour Party leader is the interests of the voters he’s meant to be representing, and Corbyn has consistently failed to do this.

So isolationism? Many people in the UK care deeply about how politicians feel about foreign policy, see the protests about the Iraq war that people keep going back to.It’s no surprise that he fluffed his lines but also it’s telling nobody has taken the press to task about claiming stuff they can’t prove.

The problem is that you can deny it all you like, but if there happens to be photographs of you at that particular place with a wreath in your hand, and your denial amounts to “I was there but I don’t remember laying a wreath”, it’s not very credible, is it?

Hook line and sinker. He was laying a wreath, correct. For what? Do you know? Or did you just accept what the Mail told you?

It comes to something when you’re giving the likes of Benjamin Netanyahu the chance to get all morally huffy.

It comes to something when you’re so keen to slam Corbyn that you accept the words of a murderer as having any value whatsoever.

I suspect that Corbyn isnt that upset about all this, corbyn Twitter fans now using this as a way to highlight Israeli human rights violations. (Rather than deal with brexit issues)

Here’s a video of Israeli forces beating up medics who are trying to treat wounded Palestinians. This is the daily reality that Netanyahu doesn’t want you to see. https://t.co/if4vYI6ISI

— Hasan Patel ? (@CorbynistaTeen) August 13, 2018