Labour Party problems

Corbynites use ‘Blair’ like a swear word, but he never tried to deselect Tony Benn or Dennis Skinner.

Commendable, but as it turns out, catastrophic for the party. (Or terrific for the party, depending on your viewpoint.) There’s only one lesson Corbyn’s wing of the party will have taken away from that.

Or democratising the party by giving power to those at the bottom to choose their representatives and influence policy?

Well, as long as they’re Momentum approved of course.

Blair did make a habit of parachuting in candidates regardless of what the locals thought. Which is probably why some are now ranting and raving about purges and other rubbish.

Source?

He really is such a lovely chap isn’t he?

I don’t know, I’ve never met him. Though I do support him returning democracy to his party.

he’s doing a remarkably bad job of purging the likes of Margaret Hodge who seems to think he’s one step away from being the next Hitler.

Well, let’s see if Momentum think she’s fit to stand for the people Barking at the next election.

Well, as long as they’re Momentum approved of course.

Source?

But then again Marr had the ghastly racist Sacks on without calling him out once for his shameful history,

Yep, he certainly gave him an easy time and let him spout out his nonsense.  The handshake at the end was a bit too familiar as well.

Well, let’s see if Momentum think she’s fit to stand for the people Barking at the next election.

You do realise local party membership isnt restricted to Momentum members dont you?

Well, let’s see if Momentum think she’s fit to stand for the people Barking at the next election.

If Hodge is my main adversary, I’d be pretty confident I was on the right side of the argument. She was directly behind an attempt to bring a vote of no-confidence against JC as early as 2016, so I’d have little confidence that her ‘confronting’ him was anything other than political opportunism.

Corbyn’s questionable actions as a political campaigner fade into insignficance compared with Hodge’s when actually in a position of authority.

It would be nice to see someone a bit more local given a chance to fight for the deprived population of Barking, rather than a multi-millionaire whose family business is still avoiding UK taxes, parachuted in fresh from her incompetent (generous description) handling of a child-abuse scandal in another London borough.

Thankfully Labour has adopted the full definition of The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s examples of anti semetism.

Quite an amazing U turn by Jeremy but good on him.

Perhaps Labour can now deal with any isolated pockets of anti semitism within the Party and this declaration will hopefully allow them to concentrate on ousting the Conservatives.

Perhaps Labour can now deal with any isolated pockets of anti semitism within the Party and this declaration will hopefully allow them to concentrate on ousting the Conservatives

Seems unlikely as the Blair-ites and their pals in the press will see no reason to change a winning formula which is being highly successful in derailing the Labour agenda.

Quite an amazing U turn by Jeremy but good on him.

only under a ton of pressure – he doesn’t get any credit out of this – it just highlights his incompetance.

a little step forward and then a big one backwards with the election of Peter Willsman…

A new leader piha?

and there’s a qualifying statement about to be released…

and there’s a qualifying statement about to be released…

Yes – affirming the right to free speech. Outrageous.

So do you think they have the database of Corbyns speeches sorted and filtered (cropping as appropriate) to compare against the definitions or will they be pulling an all nighters on this one.

Still it beats shooting civilians doesn’t it.

They’ve been preparing it for weeks – to be dribbled out as damagingly as possible

Thankfully Labour has adopted the full definition of The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s examples of anti semetism.

Yes, it’s disappointing that they caved in.

Seems unlikely as the Blair-ites and their pals in the press will see no reason to change a winning formula which is being highly successful in derailing the Labour agenda.

Is it? Polls are not changed much, the membership have just voted in every momentum backed candidate to the NEC, Corbyn’s democratic reforms to the party are set to sail through the conference, and his most vocal critics like Margaret Hodge are looking increasingly unhinged and desperate. I reckon he’s probably fairly relaxed right now.

Well still not doing them any harm, whilst Tory brexit shambles is hurting them!

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Is it? Polls are not changed much, the membership have just voted in every momentum backed candidate to the NEC, Corbyn’s democratic reforms to the party are set to sail through the conference, and his most vocal critics like Margaret Hodge are looking increasingly unhinged and desperate. I reckon he’s probably fairly relaxed right now.

That’s my take, as of the rule changes in April, Corbyn’s won. He also did his fair share to deliver the Brexit referendum result. He’ll be pretty chuffed.

The Anti-Semitism hysteria is probably a bit embarrassing but won’t cost him votes from his core vote, and it’s way better than having to answer questions on his vision for Brexit.

The only minor problem he has is finding a successor so he and his new-ish wife can have the retirement I’d guess he was looking forward to before his unexpected rise to power. The more I think about it the more difficult that seems.

The only minor problem he has is finding a successor

Take your pick from Emily Thornberry, Rebecca Long-Bailey and Angela Rayner. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s an all-female shortlist. Even Yvette Cooper if she can successfully separate herself from the blairites and support the policies that the membership want. They’ll probably even have Margaret Hodge on the ballot as the token rightwing candidate 🙂

Yvette Cooper has spent the last couple of years doing a pretty good job of being a leader of the opposition, in the absence of much interest in doing so from the present (nominal) occupant of the position

in the absence of much interest in doing so from the present (nominal) occupant of the position

Here’s a question, do you reckon JC would rather have spent the last year fighting the tories, or fighting those in his own party who still can’t accept the result of two democratic votes, and some of whom have even stooped to calling him a racist? I’m pretty sure I know what he’d rather be doing.

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That’s my take, as of the rule changes in April, Corbyn’s won

As of 12th September 2015 Corbyn won.

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Yvette Cooper has spent the last couple of years doing a pretty good job of being a leader of the opposition

She’s spent the last three years sulking because she got spanked in the leadership election.

So do you think they have the database of Corbyns speeches sorted and filtered (cropping as appropriate) to compare against the definitions or will they be pulling an all nighters on this one.

Let’s hope they do as they are wasting they time on the anti-semite issue.  It clearly hasn’t worked even though they have kept to going for months.  Keep going with that rather than uncover more lies about Corbyn that voters may actually care about and be influenced by.

they are wasting they time on the anti-semite issue.  It clearly hasn’t worked even though they have kept to going for months.

The media exists to sell media. People like to buy stories about crazy things Trump and Corbyn do/say so it is working a treat – the people who don’t like the stories are clicking on them and sharing them even more than the people who do. (Probably not working well enough to save the print media from terminal decline, of course.)

Emily Thornberry …  Yvette Cooper

Far more popular with centrist floating voters than Momentum/Corbyn but I can’t see the Labour party going back to anywhere near the centre. Last time Yvette Cooper stood she got about 25pc of the vote against Corbyn’s 60 odd pc (Rough numbers from memory.) If Yvette Cooper stood the new rules in April mean she’d be standing against a candidate from Corbyn’s wing of the party who (no matter how dreadful) would trounce her in a similar fashion. Momentum/Corbyn have already won, there’s no going back.

I just heard the ghastly witch Margaret Hodge on R4Today complaining that about the addition of an additional caveat to the IHRA definition and examples.

Strange, since not long ago she said:

“If they don’t think there is enough in the definition that allows people to criticise the Israeli government they can add those clauses”.

This exposes as clear as day that her agenda has nothing at all to do with antisemitism and everything to do with attacking Corbyn.

… and round and round in circles we go….

Anyone switching on the radio this morning and listening to the factions of the Labour Party bickering about the wording of caveats to amendments to definitions would have noted that it’s a good job there’s nothing important going on at the moment to distract them from this endless pointless self-indulgence.

The Tory’s must be laughing their tits off at the labour parties decision to not only keep digging but to request bigger shovels

… and round and round in circles we go….

As expected, the media are not going to let it go and will get comments, interviews etc,. with anyone that can keep it alive.  Just continues to make people even more bored with the matter.

As for pointless self indulgence, how much time do you think it is taken up within the the Labour party and what is the impact on more important stuff that is going on?  I would say it is minimal.

meanwhile….

… and round and round in circles we go….

Indeed. Wonder if it’ll end in another victorious leadership election for JC where he again increases his vote? There’s an easy way for it to stop, and that’s for the losers to admit they lost, accept that JC is the leader, and to do their jobs of campaigning for a labour govt. Or they can carry on helping the tories. It really is very simple.

… and round and round in circles we go….

It’s almost as if the media don’t want to ask the tories anything for a bit longer.

… and round and round in circles we go….

Indeed. Wonder if it’ll end in another victorious leadership election for JC where he again increases his vote? There’s an easy way for it to stop, and that’s for the losers to admit they lost, accept that JC is the leader, and to do their jobs of campaigning for a labour govt. Or they can carry on helping the tories. It really is very simple.

Why should people accept Jeremy and all that entails when Jeremy himself voted against the Labour leadership over 400 times and with the Conservatives 7 times?

Why should people accept Jeremy and all that entails when Jeremy himself voted against the Labour leadership over 400 times and with the Conservatives 7 times?

That’s a non sequitur. If they want a Labour govt, that’s what they should work towards.

JC may or may not have voted against the leadership – that is not the same thing as criticising the leadership for doing what they themselves have recently advocated, as in the Margaret Hodge example quoted above.

when Jeremy himself voted against the Labour leadership over 400 times

Yawn. I don’t think anyone, let alone JC wants to shut down debate on policy. In fact as far as I can see through his party reforms to give the membership more influence he’s trying to increase debate. They do however have to accept the result of a fair and democratic leadership election. I can’t recall JC or any of the other lefties ever suggesting that Blair or Brown weren’t the rightfully elected leaders of the party.

There’s an easy way for it to stop, and that’s for the losers to admit they lost, accept that JC is the leader, and to do their jobs of campaigning for a labour govt.

False Dichotomy. They can find political roles away from the HoC (eg Mayor Of Manchester), leave the HoC all together or form a new party. There are more than two options here. I don’t think there’s any suggestion that Labour moderates don’t accept they’ve lost. All their actions have demonstrated clearly that they understood the situation – you don’t resign in dribs and drabs over a couple of days unless you know you’re in an existential fight. they knew, and they knew when they’d lost.

Maybe having a pop at the leadership gains a bit more publicity for those considering establishing a new party, so it’s not necessarily wasted effort. Or maybe some people are just venting a bit of steam before they get deselected.

I can’t recall JC or any of the other lefties ever suggesting that Blair or Brown weren’t the rightfully elected leaders of the party.

Can you cite someone in the Parliamentary Labour Party who has said JC wasn’t the rightfully elected leaders of the party? I’d be interested in seeing their logic.

If they want a Labour govt, that’s what they should work towards.

So when Jeremy voted with the Conservatives he was working towards a Labour government then?

And lets not forget Momentums leaders stance on MPs that vote for the Tories….

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/18/momentum-leader-calls-deselection-mps-who-voted-with-tories-brexit-trade-bill