Jeremy Corbyn

Why the rolly eyes?

I was reading the Observer comment on Corbyn this morning. There’s not much there that I disagree with but a key passage stood out:

Labour’s current problems go far beyond its current leader. Labour’s support among the working classes has been in steady decline since 1997. But under Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, that trend has accelerated: there was a dramatic fall in working-class support in the first two months of his leadership.

The ‘working class’ problem is just as much a problem for Corbyn’s opponents as it is for him. I doubt a more moderate or competent leader would do much to win back these voters who have come to the conclusion that the labour party only represents minorities and are too politically correct. Ultimately the growing intolerance of minorities among the white working class is incompatible with the principles of all sides of the labour party. Corbyn obviously isn’t the solution to it, but I don’t know who else is.

Is it possible to be anti-Zionist and not anti-Semitic ? He says anti-Zionism is just “camouflage” for anti-Semitism – this I agree with for the reasons I have given

The reason being you like to keep being wrong?
the cry of racism is the only camouflage here- defend israel or STFU but dont just shout anyone who criticises it is a racist

seasom there is a whole raft of countries for example which are responsible for human rights violations and no one, you included, are campaigning for those countries to cease to exist.

We are not campaigning for Israel to “cease to exist” so why do you keep repeating this claim

Thats the point with anti-Zionism, it’s goal is to ensure Israel ceases to exist and more than that that Jews have no right to have a country anywhere.

It goal [at least in the west]is to make Israel behave and be held to the same standard as we do any other state – again you misstate the aims as you cannot defend its actions

Would you let Iran treat the state of Israel the way they treat the Palestinians? Would you? Go on answer the question – would you be defending their right to do this – we all know the answer so you cry racist because you are a hypocrite who applies different standards to different nations based on their race…you then have the never to call us the racists. Heal thyself.

On rights, Isreali Arabs have (imo) the best standard of living in the most liberal democracy anywhere in the Middle East or broader Arab world

are you including the ones forcibly removed with no right to return thoe ones who had their land stolen or who had their land split by a “peace wall” or not in this assessment? Its an apartheid state with greater rights for Jews than any other race.

Corbyn does not have an issue with Jewish people but the rise of anti semitic attacks is on the rise under trump…..i am sure you are giving him both barels for enabling racists and giving them a safe place ….you are aren’t you you great big ball of principles you.

Its interesting to see a person have no insight and just apply his opinion to the facts with all the lack of principle and contradiction that must entail rather than allow the facts to influence their view and apply principles universally

Rusty Spanner – Member
Why the rolly eyes?

Jamba

The ‘working class’ problem is just as much a problem for Corbyn’s opponents as it is for him. I doubt a more moderate or competent leader would do much to win back these voters who have come to the conclusion that the labour party only represents minorities and are too politically correct. Ultimately the growing intolerance of minorities among the white working class is incompatible with the principles of all sides of the labour party. Corbyn obviously isn’t the solution to it, but I don’t know who else is.

Rusty. No I don’t agree that critism of the Isreali Government is anti-Semitic. I have said that many times so obviously I wasn’t clear with the anti-Zionst remark. Hopefully I have now answered the right question !

EDIT: what I think he is referring to is widespread critism of Israel holding it to a standard far higher than any other Middle East or North Aftican country. When you hokd the world’s only Jewish state to a higher standard than pretty much any other Muslim state for example that’s grounds for being called anti-Semtic

Just to be clear to other STWers I haven’t read anything Junkyard has posted on this topic here due to constant historial abuse and trolling from him.

In other news Shabrabati, Corbyn amd Abbott have drawn the ire of the PLP. A lot of no shows at the weekly meeting and de-brief into Copeland and Stoke

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_58b48011e4b060480e0ad5f8

EDIT: that quote from binners sums up my view. Corbyn under Labour has become a party of politcial correctness and protest issues (inc Israel, stop the war, complaining about Blair/Iraq, nuclear etc). Whatever Corbyn (and some STWers) think that list does not contain priority issues.

jambalaya – Member
Just to be clear to other STWers I haven’t read anything Junkyard has posted on this topic here due to constant historial abuse and trolling from him.

😆 you’re kidding no-one.

Just to be clear to other STWers I haven’t read anything Junkyard has posted on this topic here due to constant historial abuse and trolling from him.

Of course you have read it. Why else would you be making excuses for not answering him?

Not all all chest, just scroll straight past. Threads run more smoothly that way. Better for Mods and STW in general

that quote from binners sums up my view. Corbyn under Labour has become a party of politcial correctness and protest issues

What quote? Yout think people didn’t see the labour party as a party of political correctness under Miliband, Brown and Blair? Do you really think they’d be seen as less politically correct under Umunna, Starmer, Cooper, Burnham et al? This problem wasn’t created by Corbyn, and it’s not going to be solved by him.

Ta for the response Jambers.
🙂

I know the amount of posters who target me and tag threads accusing me of lying and being a serial BS its getting ridiculous isnt it I am sure the mods and STW thank you for your sacrifice on their/our behalf.

Just to be clear to other STWers I haven’t read anything Junkyard has posted on this topic here due to constant historical abuse and trolling from him.

Ah the fake news continues and he adds to the anti Semite claim with troll[ never] and abusive[sometimes] – its certainly much easier to hurl abuse than defend Israel as you have shown once more with your principled stance BRILLIANT

Can I just say for the record being able to reply to your nonsense without any counter is hardly a punishment so from the bottom of my heart thank you for your kind actions which is as believable as anything else you say on here

This fooking priceless, hat tip to Huffingtonpost

https://mobile.twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/836327062327656448/video/1

Wonder if Rachael is the same person as another erstwhile LabourTwit, namely @jon_swindon

Trollbot.

Newsthump doesn’t always hit the spot, but this is inspired:

http://newsthump.com/2017/03/01/labour-accuses-pigeons-of-attempting-a-soft-coo/%5B/url%5D

Corbyn tweeted last night that the Article 50 bill defeat for the government in the Lords was:

“Great news. The Government must now do the decent thing and guarantee the rights of EU citizens living in the UK”

This .. from the man who refused to put up a fight in the Commons.

There are no words for the contempt I have for this man. A lucky dip of incoherent and inconsistent political buzz phrases stuffed in a flesh bag and leaking all over the floor.

I’m not quite sure I understand the left’s burning need to leave the UK citizens in other countries at the mercy of fate.

May did exactly the right thing last year and said – everyone stays where they are, all rights respected ? And got told no by 10 out of 27 countries.

We need to ensure that the deal is equal for both sides. It is regretful that hasn’t already been done and I hope that it is done very quickly, but the holdup is not from the UK side.

The Corbyn/McDonnell axis and it’s supporters in “Momentum” and the like are nothing whatsoever to do with the Labour Party. Inside OR outside Parliament.

They are another example of outside forces using the party as a vehicle for the furtherence of their entirely separate aims. Mere parasites.

The result is the enfeeblement of the host body and the empowerment of it’s opposite body in Parliament, who are now free of any effective opposition to their programme.

This, of course, despite the efforts of deluded fellow travellers like our very own Croydon Communist to deflect attention with sleight-of-hand political “analysis”.

It’s no wonder the likes of poor old binners are driven to the cliff edge of despair.

Condemned out of his own mouth…

m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_58b73ccee4b019d36d106133?ir=UK+Politics]McDonnell

Woppit – it is the curse of socialism – the fleas always want to kill the dog to teach it a lesson, be the dog the economy or the Labour party.

cranberry
Its not the subject (though I think both sides should pull their fingers out on this question), its the hypocrisy.

He refuses to fight for something himself because of “reasons”.

Then he congratulates others for putting up a fight on the same subject.

True, but with him it isn’t the subject that is important, more the being against something and celebrating this classic victory of the un-elected Lords over the dreadful conservatives.

Truly a victory for the people!

( as long as you aren’t British person living in an EU country )

i dont normally agree with his views, but an interesting article on Corbyn by Phil Stephens in FT today

The LibDems raised more money than Labour in the last quarter.

Still, mandate eh? Look at the mandate on that, eh? Nudge nudge.

Numbers for CFH post. Two things stand out for me (1) I’m amazed how little Labour got from the Unions in Q4 and (2) Public funds made up half of labour’s Q4 total and for the SNP 98.6% 😯 (not shown below see Linky for details)

Conservatives – £3,610,983

Lib Dems – £1,972,904

Labour – £1,970,05

Greens – £46,228

Co-operative Party – £39,750

Ukip – £33,228

Women’s Equality party – £30,000

SNP – £ 4,165

When you hold the world’s only Jewish state to a higher standard than pretty much any other Muslim state for example that’s grounds for being called anti-Semtic

No it’s not and this sounds like a very desperate last grasp – trying to cling on to an failing argument.

Here’s an Israeli taking about it from his point of view.

Alex is not “last gasp” it’s central. As I said I am not aware of any campaign aginast alleged human rights abuses in Syria, Iran, Saudi for example which seeks to delegitimise and eradicate those countries and turn them over to the Pope.

Corbyn visits Gaza at Hamas invitation, a party which regularly executes it’s political rivals including a policeman recently for “depravity” (ie homosexuality) yet he declines a recent invite to a Socialists (who oppose current Israeli Government) meeting in Israel and sends Tom Watson instead. The man has a problem with Jews.

Thanks. I’ll watch the video later.

May did exactly the right thing last year and said – everyone stays where they are, all rights respected ? And got told no by 10 out of 27 countries.

What @cranberry said. The EU are using people as a political football, pretty disgraceful. As a comparison the EU has said it supports a special deal for Ireland / NI border. It could have said the same for UK citizens – an agreement in principal to put people’s minds at rest. They chose a different approach.

it is the curse of socialism

🙄

Yes of course, political infighting is unique to ‘socialism’. Are you and Jamba having a private contest to see who can come out with the biggest cliche?

Yes of course, political infighting is unique to endemic in ‘socialism’

FTFY

I am not aware of any campaign aginast alleged human rights abuses in Syria, Iran, Saudi

Really! Saudi human rights abuses have been directly mentioned by Corbyn in PMQs. He actually got Cameron to go back on the the prison contract:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/26/cameron-urged-to-intervene-over-planned-execution-of-saudi-protester

He’s also called for an end to arms supplies to Saudi.

Re: Iran – he’s actually appeared on Iranian TV to (Corbyn quote)
“I used the opportunities to address the issues of the Western relationship with the whole region, address the issues of Iraq, and also address issues of human rights – even in a very difficult atmosphere when you’re dealing with countries and governments that clearly don’t have the same human rights agenda that I do or we do around this table.”
“Everywhere I’ve ever travelled I’ve always raised the issues of human rights, however easy or difficult it is.”

Did he forego his fee from the hangmen of Tehran for appearing on their propaganda channel ?

Or did he pocket the cash ?

I have the same respect for him on this matter as I would finding out someone had written articles for Der Stürmer.

http://www.businessinsider.de/jeremy-corbyn-press-tv-iran-money-labour-leadership-2016-9

jamba, you’re the only one that looks to have an agenda here. Like I say you’re fooling no-one.

According to the articles I read, it was £20k for 4 appearances and it went to his constituency office.

tbh I don’t really understand the objection. Anyone who has looked at Corbyn and his career knows that he’s completely against any human rights abuses and is not afraid to blame western governments for parts they have played in supporting those.

So instead people go “oh look – he talked to those people and went to that country, that must mean…”
Does it bollocks.

By all means criticise him for lacking a professional image, or that fact that he hardly ever talks about the economy, but trying to pin racism or anti-semitism on him is just complete nonsense.

More evidence elf the soft coup with JMcD contradicting poor of Jezza on hypothecation for the NHS and extending arms out to the Dark Lord Mandleson himself!

Poor old boy, even his mates are undermining him now.

Poor old boy, even his mates are undermining him now.

The thick plottens.

When you hold the world’s only Jewish state to a higherlower standard than pretty much any other Muslim state for example that’s grounds for being called anti-Semtic an islamaphobe

No one holds Israel to a higher standard – and if they do its because its a “western state” and we expect it to behave better than a despotic regimes such as we often find in the middle east. This is hardly news and its not racism – why is it you find racism everywhere but your own view of Islam?. i expect the UK to behave better than china on human rights issues. I very much doubt that makes me a racist even in your world view

Corbyn visits Gaza at Hamas invitation, a party which regularly executes it’s political rivals

so does israel and on foreign soil

Go on jambers give em hell for this list as you are man of principle and you hate those who do political assassinations of their opponents
I am sure the silence of your hypocrisy will be deafening – best claim you dont read me again as you really have no reply

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations

The man has a problem with Jews.

He really does not [ though I assume he does have one with israels actions] and if he spoke about jews the way you speak about islam you might have a point, till then you are letting your hatred of him get ahead of reality

I said I am not aware of any campaign aginast alleged human rights abuses in Syria, Iran, Saudi

You not being aware of something is hardly a sign that is true. Basic facts often escape you

The Beeb have just run a brilliant spoof party political broadcast supposedly by the Labour Party.

eat_the_pudding – Member

Corbyn tweeted last night that the Article 50 bill defeat for the government in the Lords was:

“Great news. The Government must now do the decent thing and guarantee the rights of EU citizens living in the UK”

This .. from the man who refused to put up a fight in the Commons.

There are no words for the contempt I have for this man. A lucky dip of incoherent and inconsistent political buzz phrases stuffed in a flesh bag and leaking all over the floor. This is bollocks too (even though I wished Labour would have opposed Brexit)

It’s Corbyn’s amendment that they are voting for!

The House of Lords haven’t done anything that Labour in the commons didn’t do, it’s just that when they voted for this Labour amendment in the Commons, the Tories had a majority whereas in the HoL they didn’t.

It’s not as if they’ve threatened to block article 50 or anything.

This week on The Unelectables we follow Jeremy and the Labour Party. pic.twitter.com/c4hkhbOmw1

— BBC Three (@bbcthree) March 1, 2017

*Steps away from successfully lit blue touch paper…..*

Wow – when the youth channel of the liberal/left broadcaster is taking the piss out of the labour party you know it has jumped the shark.

With the Labour partly political broadcast – couldn’t they afford the music from the Hovis advert ?