Jeremy Corbyn

It really doesn’t matter what I think, does it? Or what you think. The Rather large Jewish population of north Manchester have reached their own conclusion, and they think he’s anti-Semitic. So much so that the local Labour Party have already concluded that their previously safe seat is as good as gone

There’s a pattern emerging, isn’t there….

yes right wing lies/alt truths being bought by the gullible public

Of course they are.

Nothing is Jezzas fault, is it?

He’s doing a great job.

It’s all the bastard right wing media

Meanwhile, back on earth….

You are becoming more like Trump on this and just as rational

Its a smear and you have bought it hook line and sinker and then you revert to this playground level off debate.

NO corbyn is not doing a great hob the party is ****, his leadership skills under question, the party failing, the PLP hate him etc
Given this I fail to see why folk bother to make up shit with which to hit him. It is neither true nor needed
Pick factual stuff to complain about and then we can have a debate

Pick factual stuff to complain about and then we can have a debate

He’s anti nuclear power and the industry behind it.

A fact.

One that he was rightly hit with. Then his own party try and claim fake news.
Seen here in the evil right wing press. Oh….hold on, HuffPo aren’t are they?

Laughable.

Everyone who can see Jezza for what he is is basically Donald Trump?

It’s an interesting argument.

Shall we discuss lefty paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories?

probably make more sense to discuss straw man arguments and then I can do you a picture of what i meant

Cpt I would imagine that the nuke issue did indeed harm him there and probably to the wider electorate
yes its laughable they would deny this- that he was ever anti

see what grown up can do Binbins 😉

Junkyard the cross party Home Affairs Committee said Corbyn has created a “safe space” for Anti-Semites. We’ve discussed this at length but the Labour Party under Corbyn has a very real and very significant problem.

Surprisingly you are yet again factually inaccurate [and tony had a great dossier BTW]

“While the Labour leader has a proud record of campaigning against many types of racism, based on the evidence we have received, we are not persuaded that he fully appreciates the distinct nature of post-Second World War anti-Semitism.

“We believe that his lack of consistent leadership on this issue, and his reluctance to separate anti-Semitism from other forms of racism, has created what some have referred to as a ‘safe space’ for those with vile attitudes towards Jewish people.”

and he replied

The report added: “The failure of the Labour party to deal consistently and effectively with anti-Semitic incidents in recent years risks lending force to allegations that elements of the Labour movement are institutionally anti-Semitic.”

But in a strongly-worded response, Mr Corbyn said the committee had failed to take account of the work the Labour party had done to tackle anti-Semitism.

He said: “The committee heard evidence from too narrow a pool of opinion, and its then-chair rejected both Chakrabarti’s and the Jewish Labour Movement’s requests to appear and give evidence before it. Not a single woman was called to give oral evidence in public, and the report violates natural justice by criticising individuals without giving them a right to be heard.

“The report’s political framing and disproportionate emphasis on Labour risks undermining the positive and welcome recommendations made in it.

“Although the Committee heard evidence that 75% of anti-Semitic incidents come from far right sources, and the report states there is no reliable evidence to suggest anti-Semitism is greater in Labour than other parties, much of the report focuses on the Labour party.”

He added: “Under my leadership, Labour has taken greater action against anti-Semitism than any other party, and will implement the measures recommended by the Chakrabarti report to ensure Labour is a welcoming environment for members of all our communities.”
So there you have it 75% are from the right but labour has the problem though they could not prove it was greater than other parties

Politically motivated Blairesque dossier.

Jeremy’s great, isn’t he?

Can’t wait for him to be prime minister

Nothing is Jezzas fault, is it?

He’s doing a great job.

It’s all the bastard right wing media

Do you actually think Corbyn is a racist anti-semite?

Personally I think the Tories and their media backers have played a masterful game of splitting Labours core voters and nullifying their biggest threat. Not to mention annihilating the third party into paper tiger local election protest vote. All the little players taking bites. It’s almost a blanket opinion JC is incompetent! I’d say the character assignation is as good as complete.

The people of Britain missed their opportunity two elections ago to manoeuvre the ruling classes toward progressive constitutional change. Alas the bigger picture was too much for most who voted to start the game a fresh. Here we are back to babies smashing the toys over each others heads in a desperate war of attrition, someone give us simple answers and make it stop 😆

“Everyone who can see Jezza for what he is is basically Donald Trump?”

Yep, used to be quite a common comparison.

Vote for me, I’m not a conventional Politician: Check.

Keynesian Money Tree: Check.

Day to day incompetence: Check.

Crippling inability to get the media to put out their message: Check

Mass Public rallies: Check

The difference is I can’t see Trump achieving anything in office. In contrast Corbyn without office, is being quite effective in smoothing the path to Brexit which, as a Bennite, will be a genuine achievement he can be proud of.

The much more interesting thing that happened yesterday was the reception given to Angela Rayner by the Stoke QT audience. She’s clearly being groomed for bigger things.[/I]

tbh she comes across like a shop-steward from the 70’s.

Listening to her drone on, even for a life-Labour voter, I’ve to turn off the sound. And eventually I turned it off with her “will of the people” constant.

You could also see the look of contempt on Stoke old boy’s face when she was talking plus loved his put-downs to the blonde (no idea who she was) on his right.

Daz we’ve discussed this at length but …

Do you actually think Corbyn is a racist anti-semite?

He’s starting to get close. Historically I would have said definitely not but his actions and inactions are hard to ignore. To give him the benefot of the doubt you would have to condone his eyes on the floor inaction and concoct an explanation for him given credence to terrorists

He has consistently offered a platform to and stood side by side politically with confirmed anti-Senites (he was called back to the Select Committee for providing a false answer to a specifc question about this) and terrorists. Stop The War, Westminster invitations, infamous “friends” remark
He has done all he can to brush under the carpet / bury the anti-Semitic abuse carried out by Oxford Uni Labour Party
His award of a Peerage and front bench job to Shakrabati for her “whitewash” (words used by Jewish groups) and the diabolical handling of the press launch

Junky is quite deliberately missing the point. The issue is not that a minority of anti-Semtic incidents come from the left but that anti-Semites exist in significant numbers inside the Labour Party and it’s activists and that Corbyn’s election as leader has encouraged them amd given them space to operate.

This week is Israel Apartheid Week at Universities. Thankfully increasing numbers have seen first hand that these “events” go far beyond critising Israel and have become very much the forum for anti-Semtism. If you want to critise Israel stand ourside the embassy and demonstrate. Attacking and harrasing students simply as they are Jewish is anti-Semtic

Corbyn admits there are serious flaws with Britains voters

Ran out of momentum in Copeland then..

http://labourlist.org/2017/01/we-need-to-be-organised-to-win-in-copeland-momentums-activists-are-key/

Junky is quite deliberately missing the point

One of your best 😆

anti-Semites exist in significant numbers inside the Labour Party

#jambyfact
#fakenews
and again

the report states there is no reliable evidence to suggest anti-Semitism is greater in Labour than other parties,

He’s starting to get close.

Yawn. The level of hysteria around Corbyn is reaching ridiculous levels. Between you rabid RWers and the anti-Corbyn labour ‘supporters’ the poor bloke can’t take a sh*t without causing some sort of faux outrage. You all really need to get a grip.

Labour’s “fantastic achievement” in Copeland:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/835147850929537024

😯 😀 😯 😀

she almost has a point [ you could argue it if you had to] but it is the sort of answer that makes folk despise politicians as it was nt and she cannot possibly believe that.

It was a shit result for labour

Binners

“We seem to be hoping for the Messiah” 🙂 🙂 🙂

Lisa Nandy, Labour MP for Wigan on Sophy Ridge

Binners you have become so irrational and unhinged Jamby now sees you as his natural ally 😯
Surely being on the same side, with the same argument, as our resident Breitbart reading Muslim fearing #jambyfactor will make you reconsider your position?

Imagine if Corbyn had said half of what jamby had said but this time not about Muslims but about Jews

When he does this I will be prepared to call him a racist.

Irrational? Unhinged?

Ok….. or maybe just concerned, as a lot of people rightly are, about where the country is headed in the total absence of an opposition party at this critical time.

Theresa May has been given a clean sheet of paper to march us out of Europe and turn the country into a hyper-capitalist neo-liberal wet dream, with the full blessing of the ‘leader of HM opposition’ and his chums in their delusional, totally ineffectual lefty la la land.

What’s about to unfold will be a catastrophe for the working class of this country. And I doubt the Labour Party will ever be forgiven for facilitating it. It’s finished!

Reports from Copeland say that lifelong labour voters were voting Tory in the vain hope that losing the seat would usher in Corbyn’s removal as leader.

They clearly don’t know how the left works

Largest mass movement of delusional halfwits political members in Europe yadda yadda yadda…

Over there in that other thread, it’s all the media’s fault. The “leadership” is trying to distract public attention away from incompetence by continually blaming, and now going to war with, the fourth estate.

This tactic has now found it’s way into the Labour party. It’s not us it’s the media. It’s not me, it’s the media. Even after being forced into accepting some responsibility for the Copeland disaster, Corbyn attributes the rest of the blame to “the media”. The fact that they tried to avoid the Nuclear issue and get people to focus on the NHS just shows that they know nobody trusts them because the leader wants to destroy the industry. He spent all his political life opposing it and his 11th hour conversion looks just like what it is – cheap opportunism.

So now he’s taken a leaf out of the Orange ShitGibbon’s book and is trying to desperately deflect blame by saying that simple reportage of what actually happens is somehow wrong. The media is there to be managed but he has no Alastair Stewart. He has nothing for this task and doesn’t even seem to recognise the need.

It’s no wonder the Conservatives are happy with such easy meat.

but he has no Alastair Stewart

You mean Campbell right?

Either way, you are arguing against yourself.
You say the media can’t be responsible, but then say a spin doctor can fix the issues.

Binners opposition to Corbyn based on his record/policies /ineptitude is fine shouting anti semitic terrorist sympathiser is not as it just not true – its also unnecessary as there is much with which to attack him.

@whoppit – re the media its pretty clear – Brexit result for example – that if you peddle the same lies often enough folk will believe it

I lost count of the number of folk who told me the Eu was undemocratic but when challenegd could not explain how it was organised beyond it having MEP’s. They never had any answer when i asked if they voted for the queen or the lords or the PM or the cabinet.
Clearly the media – including left leaning intellectual ones like the guardian- are not on Corbyns side and this does make it more difficult to sell his message as it is delivered to the masses via a right wing distortion filter – or bias. How much this harms him we can debate but it is certainly not helping him.

WIth trump what the media is saying is [largely]true but corbyn is not a terrorist sympathising harbourer of jews haters
Its not a reasonable comparison between the two.
The media may be biased or the POTIS may be a serial BS with no grasp on the truth or reality and they are just calling him out on basic facts – even countries are doing this now. Its not the same

Trump banned the Daily Mail for example – so its ether to o factual or not right wing enough for him 😯

AlexSimon – Member
but he has no Alastair Stewart
You mean Campbell right?
Either way, you are arguing against yourself.
You say the media can’t be responsible, but then say a spin doctor can fix the issues.

Oops. Yes, Campbell of course…

The media have no other responsibility than to report. They don’t owe the Labour Prty anything.

A good media liaison chief manages the focus of what is being reported. Even if they DID have a rottweiler like Campbell, he’d have his work cut out keeping Corbyn on message and trying to get him to not continually shoot himself in the foot..

Shami really has gone full politician, of course perhaps she always was during her days at Liberty

Labour frontbencher Shami Chakrabarti ridiculed after blaming almost everything except Jeremy Corbyn for Copeland defeat

The Labour Baroness blamed bad weather, the media, disunity and Labour voters not having cars

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-corbyn-copeland-defeat-shami-chakrabarti-storm-doris-media-disunity-a7600101.html

This is worth a seperate quote 🙂

Slamming the interview, Labour MP and former frontbencher Michael Dugher tweeted: “Pearls of wisdom from the never-having-stood-for-election, joined-ten-minutes-ago wing of the Labour Party: Labour voters ‘don’t have cars’.”

🙂

Harrrrrold 🙂

The running-dog, so-called-Blairite, crypto-facist running-dog scum of so-called New Labour gained 58% of the vote in Copeland in 1997.

Does anyone need any more convincing of just how devious these Red Tories are ?

Praise be that we have a man of conviction like Jeremy to bring a new type of politics to the constituency!

Electoral oblivion beckons. If you do the maths, the pollsters say if there were an election tomorrow Mrs May would have a majority of over 100.

But the polls always flatter labour, as people are always reticent about saying they’re voting Tory. I’d say 150+ would be more realistic

Hurray for conviction politics!

We’re all well and truly ****ed!!! Welcome to the one party state

I think the hope for Corbyn was that he’d bring an end to the 1 party state. “3 cheeks of the same backside” etc

Why any surprise? As shocking as it is for most observers, political parties are no stranger to electing no-hopers as their leaders, The Tories and LDs have done it in the past, it just happens to be Labours turn now.

Yes its appaling for politics to have a dysfunctional opposition, but it is amusing to watch notably the attempts to justify something that was flawed from the outset.

The thing is that saying that Nu Labour were exactly the same as the Tories would mean that you were an utter and complete idiot.

Unfortunately these idiots all ganged together, took advantage of the new woefully ill-conceived electoral system and voted Corbyn in.

Twice.

They’re actually so moronic, they’d probably do it again tomorrow

Winding down by watching the re-run of Peston – Tom W about to come on. Should be amusing.

And through the looking glass you go….

He’s just stated the we have already triggered A50!!