Jeremy Corbyn

is it a sign of support or is he taking the piss?

I am assuming the former – or perhaps too much Thatcher’s cider at lunchtime?

By elections …my predictions. Copeland goes to the Tories. Stoke is less clear but I say UKIP sneaks it but could be a Labour hold. Depends how the Tories there vote, could vote tactically for or against Labour.

Oddly I think these results will be less damaging to Labour than finishing 3rd in Scotland.

Stoke vote for a remainer !?! 😉

Havent people just given up?

Keep quiet, let the Tories take the flak for Brexshit, make sure no real Labour leaders get tainted in the process, sit it out until 2020 – damage limitation….

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What will the so-called “Day of reckoning” look like?

What will the so-called “Day of reckoning” look like?

Not been paying much attention, but my faceache timeline seems to be populated by supposed labour supporters who are hoping that the tories and UKIP win. They should have a look in the mirror.

Dazh they recognise that more Corbyn will be a disaster for Labour

On QT UKIP seem to be conceding defeat in Stoke

Cripes – Britain Elects on Twitter estimating turnout in Stoke Central at 30% – so that could be less than 20k out of an electorate of 60k-ish. Way to go electorate.

they recognise that more Corbyn will be a disaster for Labour

They may well be right on that, but supporting the tories and UKIP is beyond the pale, and they are utterly wrong to think that it will help the labour party in any way. In fact all it does is reinforce the argument that the real problem in the labour party is not Corbyn, but people like them who refuse to accept the wishes of the membership.

I’m sure Doris will get some of the blame.

BBC suggesting via QT that Labour have won both

Turnout in SC more like 38%. Yay. Woo.

EDIT: Copeland looks like it could go either way. Was looking Lab earlier, apparently rural boxes may swing it to Tory.

In the middle of the second term of a Tory government, holding (scraping?) 2 seats that have been rock solid labour since the dawn of time, one of which is against a ****ing UKIP Candidate FFS? will be seen as a victory?

Pretty much Sums up Corbyn

Latest polls have labour 18% behind the Tory’s. so all this is entertaining, but academic.

Apparently the beardy messiah has already said he won’t go even if they lose both seats.

And it was Blair who was the self-serving egomaniac, right?

As the Labour Party in a by-election in the middle of a second term Tory government, you’d be looking at massively increasing your already safe majority.

Instead they’re bricking it about losing both.

And let’s not forget the reason we’re even having either of these by-elections in the first place?

Go Jezza!!

Well they hung on in there in Stoke, lost Cope land to the Tories.

As per DD and scotroutes, I am somewhat disappointed at the poor turnout for both. I have never had a storm Doris on voting day but even before/after 12 hour shifts at work I have also never once not voted even for what you might think are ‘less important’ elections e.g. Council, pcc.
I know that’s preaching to the converted- we are all reading this because we do care. But given the howling about NHS, brexit and so on from all corners of paper, telly and social media I can’t understand why more people aren’t coming out. Even to vote ukip ffs!

Gaining Copeland – the best by-election result for a government since 1966!

I do hope that Trudy thanked all those that helped make it happen – Jeremy, John, Tom, Rebecca, Emily and Diane, Seamus, etc, etc.

They can blame it on Doris and the nuclear industry but at some point the Lefty Luvvies have got to realise that their Messiah is turning away their core voters.

Turnouts roughly in the ballpark

http://www.ukpolitical.info/by-election-turnout.htm

Operation “Save Jezza” still a success then… 😉

And poor, late, Michael Foot loses another personal record.

Official Opposition party lose a by-election to the Governing party for the first time since Michael Foot was Leader of the Opposition

The last Tory MP to represent this area was born in 1879.

Jacob Rees-Mogg ?

vg ATP 😀

Turnout was actaully pretty good for both, lower falloff from General Election that most by-elections. Stoke’s problem was the General Election turnout which was the lowest in the country at less than 50%.

allthepies wins STW 🙂

The end for UKIP? Fingers crossed.

The end for UKIP

More likely the end for Nuttall.
Farage will try and get someone else in as king. Someone he supports.

Nutall was just picked on by the press its not hi s fault he did not have a Phd was not a pro footballer , never lost a close friend at Hillsborough and mystery surrounds his claim that he was even there.

Good day to be a tory – but not a racist one- or Binners for that matter

Bad day for labour and it is not going to help the schism within the party.

Corbyn has to make the next move now which i suspect will be to plow on regardless.

Turnouts, stoke in particular – was shocking
An MP with less than 8000 votes 😯

No one should be pleased about such woeful participation rates

I am somewhat disappointed at the poor turnout for both

Really? The choice is Corbyn, the Tories or UKIP and you wonder why people just can’t be arsed? Seriously?

I was amused to learn last week that Corbyn insists on a 4 day week. If he has to do a tv slot at the weekend he expects a day off in the week to make up for that.

Conviction Politician? Is he buggery.

If labour had lost both there’s a chance corbs would’ve gone, which means labour could’ve found someone less divisive

As expected Corbyn team blaming disunity rather than leadership….

Copeland was bad for them, no doubt, if it was all about nuclear be NHS, it means corbs is having a -ve effect thetr

Stoke was odd one, a very pro remain candidate who was a bit of a dick won, in a 70% leave area !!
Though the Torries and ukip each got 25% of the vote.

Obviously very low turnout shows people are very disllusioned with our politics at the moment and who can blame them !

We agree on some things again !

Corbyn has to make the next move now which i suspect will be to plow on regardless.

Turnouts, stoke in particular – was shocking
An MP with less than 8000 votes

Corbyn has already been trotting out the same old “Social Justice Warrior” stuff and speaking about connecting with the electorate.

Corbyn insists on a 4 day week. If he has to do a tv slot at the weekend he expects a day off in the week to make up for that.
Conviction Politician? Is he buggery.

So he has a conviction to a four day week and he maintains it and you accuse him of not having convictions 😕

by all means accuse him of being lazy or not prepared to do enough to be leader – I very much doubt it is a 4 days a week type of job – but he is clearly sticking to his conviction – which may well be a stupid conviction- its certainly unrealistic for that job if the claim is true

So the old boy does better than expected (only badly) and keeps Nuttall put of Stoke (Bravo) and we still get a day of reckoning.

Great Panto…

A good result. Jeremy holds on to lead Labour to victory in 2020. Had both been lost even Corbyn supporters might have thought the game was up.

Indeed @irc, they remain “on course”. As to where that’s a matter of opinion

“There are far too many who want to luxuriate in moral righteousness in opposition…who is going to pay the price?”

Denis Healey

Perfect day for the Tories. Jeremy loses a by-election to them in mid-term, but isn’t fatally wounded by losing Stoke.

UKIP not having another MP is a bit of a bonus for the rest of us. Well, consolation.

Obviously very low turnout shows people are very disllusioned with our politics at the moment and who can blame them !

Not me, I am very disillusioned too. I think it will have to get worse before it can get better. 15 more years of tories before people wake up and realise they are not doing them any good and immigration was actually the reason for their problems. F knows what state the tories will have got us to in another 15 years though!

I will do what I can and vote against but living in an area where Tory got 60% and UKIP were second with 15% doesn’t look good for me.

So Labour manage to hold by a fairly slim-ish majority of 2620 against a guy who pretty much lied about his entire background; the Hillsborough thing being a new low. The analysis of that is that UKIP lost it by being a disgrace, Labour certainly didn’t ‘win’ it. A credible candidate for UKIP (if such a thing exists!) would have had a chance.

What dragon says. Had more UKIP/Tory decided to vote tactically one of them would have won. Labour got in as opposition vote was split.

Interesting to see the goalposts changing in the wake of these results. In stoke everyone thought it was a dead-cert that UKIP was going to win. UKIP going after white brexit voters and with pro-remain labour candidate Stoke was supposed to be the death-knell for the Corbyn leadership, yet it didn’t happen.

Copeland is different, and needs to be put in the context Corbyn’s avowed anti-nuclear principals. It’d be like expecting Liverpool to vote for a party led by Kelvin McKenzie.

The much more interesting thing that happened yesterday was the reception given to Angela Rayner by the Stoke QT audience. She’s clearly being groomed for bigger things. Compared to her previous appearances on things like QT it looks like she’s had some media training and an image makeover. I wonder why?