Jeremy Corbyn

Your dislike of referendums is well documented on here thm. Wondered if you had any thoughts about the story above and the lucky escape you had?
Poor Theresa looked both ill-informed on this and failed yet again to grasp the ‘answers’ part of prime ministers questions…

My dislike of referendums……really?

wow did politically neutral THM just moan about labour today…that is a real turn up for the books….and ignore any of the actual issues of the day..how very partisan and predictable
ANyway I am sure he will address your direct question immediately
EDIT: ah too slow and what a turn up for the books he declined to even mention the Tories

Why not just admit you are a fanboy as the only person not convinced is you

Hmmm, not sure Clive Lewis is that great a loss or if he’s really leadership material: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/08/profile-labour-mp-clive-lewis/

if he’s really leadership material:

Remember who the incumbent is….

Hold on he is getting the hang of opposition – look how many opposed him today

How many acting members of the shadow cabinet do we have now? We can include Dianne for the sake of argument

teamhurtmore – Member
My dislike of referendums……really?

The smilies don’t paste across on here but you seemed/feigned interest in this story the other week:

Another bloody referendum

Strange you seem almost as keen as Theresa to avoid commenting on it today. Seems like a great result and a big relief for everyone in Surrey. Not least it’s cabinet ministers!

You are obviously a little confused Julian. Never mind. We certainly don’t need another referendum on Brexshit

On Surrey, not sure of details but a little more rhan old Jezza. From what I understand from limited reading, Hodge has played his hand well. He would never have won the R but his stunt worked – seems like he has got Surrey fast tracked on to the pilot scheme for keeping business rate revenues to spend. If true, then May’a comments may be strictly true if opaque

So Surrey, which has high demand for these services has “defeated” the national government. So you may be correct a good deal for Surrey. Let’s see if the detail supports that view

Well done Hodge then. Curious why May needed to be so opaque about it then. Let’s hope the pilot is a success and extended to less, errr, ‘politically sensitive’ councils too, eh?

You are obviously a little confused Julian. Never mind. We certainly don’t need another referendum on Brexshit

No. The ‘swerve and patronise’ is below the standards of debate I have come to associate with you thm. The last answer was great: shame you didn’t type it first.

You are quite clear on your opinion of the results of both recent referendums (?referenda?) and the appalling misinformation that informed both debates. It seems quite clear you saw the problems and communicated them very well. So it’s no suppose to read you saying we don’t need another one. I am not sure what we disagree about in this respect (apart from your obvious distaste at being asked to comment on the ‘corbyn moment if the day’, which you seemed to take an interest in on another thread, on your own thread about Corbyn.
[edited for flirty smiley joke which was a bit crap]

Do you know how many councils are on the trial? I don’t.

Julian, I was taking one point at a time, starting with your odd opening line. I have made little comment about referendums per se – unlike you misunderstanding. On our two recent ones, yes I do believe they have been appaling. Not because they are referendums, but because of the appalling level of debate. In one case, Lies with a capital L won, in the other they lost. Both were unedifying – that is what I disliked.

Different thing, see?? I have no strong feeling on referendums themselves. Although in both case I was surprised by the simple majority structure on such important issues.

Anyway this is a thread about the (apparent) leader of HM Opposition so let’s not get side tracked.

The ‘swerve and patronise’ is below the standards of debate I have come to associate with you thm

Does he do something else ?

Anyway this is a thread about the (apparent) leader of HM Opposition so let’s not get side tracked.

Indeed. So back to Pmq then as seems to be the tradition…
So how about the faces pulled on TM’s bench (May, Hunt and Javid specifically; Hammond otoh seems the master of the straight face under pressure) during JC’s challlenge of the Hodge texts? Rather good panto and curious given that even someone not in the cabinet (you, thm) had such a sensible and rational explanation of the events hours afterwards. poor show from TM and the faces on the blue front bench, let’s hope Corbyn runs with this and the ‘pilot’ is actually what it says on the tin.

…of course when you started this thread we were never talking about the leader of HM opposition. I wonder how many of the people in this thread believed on the first page that he would be doing this job for this long? I certainly didn’t!

He’s leader of the opposition? Every day is a school day 😉

Didn’t see PMQ, I was exploring a new place to ride. So can’t comment of the Panto scenes. I did hear a funny one liner about someone giving people a headache or words to that effect.

TBH, haven’t really follow the Surrey news in detail largely duent the fact that the.R was unlikely to happen/would never have been won

Odd tha Jezza doesn’t understand what a pilot is though, don’t you think.

Perhaps Newsnight might have some detail….

BTW, is it safe to close the window yet? There was a very nasty smell earlier….

OOI, did you read my first line to this mighty thread?

Jeremy Corbyn MP
(@jeremycorbyn)
Real fight starts now. Over next two years Labour will use every opportunity to ensure Brexit protects jobs, living standards & the economy.

February 8, 2017

We’re all right, we’re all right

Good job that we haven’t just had a vote,

Wee nippy unkindly thought this was pathetic, kick a man when his down why don’t you!!!

Nicola Sturgeon
(@NicolaSturgeon)
How? You’ve just handed the Tories a blank cheque. You didn’t win a single concession but still voted for the Bill. Pathetic. https://t.co/kDje2GLAey

February 8, 2017

To be fair, the “Real Fight Starts Now” backlash on twitter last night was pretty funny.

Have you seen the Guardian collection DD?

They have some beauties….

All a bit harsh.

Living in Scotland, I can just imagine a Scot saying NS’s tweet outloud 😀

And probably the phrase “little sh*te!” in there somewhere.

As far as I can see JC has done little to protect our interests / rights and jobs by not taking a strong enough stance to stay with the status quo. He did little visible campaigning before the referendum and is doing too little too late now.

I’m not saying he should be campaigning to stop brexit, but at least slowing down the process to ensure we don’t sleepwalk into a social catastrophe.

The voting through of the unamended A50 Bill will ensure that there would be “no opportunity” to do what he suggests, so I suppose, from this point onwards, he can’t fail to take “every opportunity”.

Depressingly useless.

br – the comments on wee nippy’s twatter page suggest that she does not enjoy overwhelming support for her ideas, but hey ho when has that stopped her.

Was never his biggest fan but was prepared to give him a fair crack of the whip. Now he should just bumble off into his retirement, hopeless is to kind for his performances.

Paul Waugh ?@paulwaugh
Vignette from Commons’ Strangers Bar: David Davis moves to give Abbott a kiss. She recoils and tells him to **** off. He walked off laughing
10:39 PM – 8 Feb 2017

They have fun in that there Westminster palace dont they!!

Brexit was a no win for Corbyn/Labour but **** me with a bit of foresight they coup have played for a 0-0 draw.

Free vote from the off would have been better. MPs can vote in line with constituents.

*I’ll leave the spelling mistake in. But anyone thinking of a coup attempt is weakened by this whole **** up.

teamhurtmore – Member

br – the comments on wee nippy’s twatter page suggest that she does not enjoy overwhelming support for her ideas, but hey ho when has that stopped her.

Maybe, but since the SNP are currently the largest party in the Scottish Parliament and have all but 3 of the Scottish seats in Westminster they’ve certainly got the peoples vote (or even WILL if you like 🙂 ).

And as someone who actually lives in Scotland, I’d rather her than a non-event in charge. At least we know that she won’t be bought off like some would (Surrey CC for example).

As far as I can see JC has done little to protect our interests / rights and jobs by not taking a strong enough stance to stay with the status quo. He did little visible campaigning before the referendum and is doing too little too late now.

You don’t think that is because he may not actually be that into the EU?

I think that is true and yet he failed to take a stance of principle on the issue

I think its an open secret he is no fan of the EU an would have been campaigning for out were he not the leader of the labour party,

I think we have found that the majority of MPs are not fans of the EU or if they are they are not that bothered about it

i think they were just worried about incurring the wrath of the electorate by ignoring democracy

where they have failed is in not having a vote about taking the deal re Brexit – what they have is a done deal where we do leave whatever they decide though they may decide how.

IMHO i would be surprised if the deal we get would be passed by a referendum but we will never know.

i think they were just worried about incurring the wrath of the electorate by ignoring democracy

Like I said, they were not that bothered about it. If they were really bothered they would have voted against and accepted the wrath of the electorate.
Plus they are hardly ignoring democracy with a vote that was nigh on 50/50. A vote that close should go to parliament to decide anyway.

Did you catch the news last night?

Like I said, they were not that bothered about it. If they were really bothered they would have voted against and accepted the wrath of the electorate.
Plus they are hardly ignoring democracy with a vote that was nigh on 50/50. A vote that close should go to parliament to decide anyway. [/I]

+1 They wimped out, and now we’ll all pay (except they’ll no doubt ensure that their pension scheme isn’t eroded, unlike everyone else’s).

i think they were just worried about incurring the wrath of the electorate by ignoring democracy

Except that they’ve now incurred the wrath of the 48% who didn’t vote for Brexit, and those who are so rabidly pro-Brexit will vote Tory or UKIP anyway.

They’re also completely misunderstood the whole point of a representative democracy – MPs are hired to make the difficult decisions, not the popular ones.

I’ve come to the conclusion that Corbyn is a Russian sleeper agent.

“Like I said, they were not that bothered about it. If they were really bothered they would have voted against and accepted the wrath of the electorate.”

This. They clearly think the wrath generated by Brexit will be less than the wrath of not brexiting. Since the wrath of ignoring the referendum would be a few wrinkles muttering ‘tut’ they must think Brexit is not going to be that bad.

Hired?? Isn’t it only the Tories that are for hire Ben?

You’ve just handed the Tories a blank cheque. You didn’t win a single concession but still voted for the Bill. Pathetic.

I didn’t look at the voting numbers too closely but as I understood it the Tories had a majority with only Ken Clarke voting against, so it would have passed regardless of whether Labour opposed or not.

So NS is being rather disingenuous to Labour, surprise, surprise.

Hired?? Isn’t it only the Tories that are for hire Ben?

Hired by the electorate, in that we pick them and pay their wages.

Tories are often for hire in quite different ways.

IMO based on speaking to ex neighbours there was zero chance of the Referendum passing the 15% rise for Surrey. Not sure what sort of deal they where supposed to have got.

Corbyn wanted to trigger A50 immediately in June 2016 so any amendments / White Paper are irrelevant from his perspective

Fast tracked on to pilot scheme – seems they get to keep more business rates to spend themselves. Don’t know much beyond that. But as you say R was a bluff and would have lost.