iDave diet, who done it?

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iDave is right. The new direction my daily diet has taken is completely sustainable as far as I’m concerned.
I will happily go on as I have been. In some ways its better than before.
For one, I just don’t feel hungry most of the time now, and it was feeling hungry between meals that use to drive me to making bad eating decisions.

I’ve just demolished around 700ml of lentils with Cod chunks, Bacon, carrot, cumin, salt, oregano and tabasco souce, all washed down with water. And I feel way better than if, like all those around me right now, I’d have eaten a huge sandwich.
They’ll be hungry by 4:00pm.
I’ll not get home until way after 10:00pm tonight, and I’ll feel fine.

Its a fact, that those blessed with natural slenderness just can’t get their heads around how easy it is for some folk to lard-up.
And so they will naturally find it hard to accept that iDaves advise works.

I still have excess fat and some handles, and I’m still not light enough to win races. I reckon I need to be capable of at least 4.5W/kg at threshold, which would still mean threshold of 380W rather than the 320W or so it is now. That sounds hard, so I reckon the weight loss is still my best option. 80kg is my target.

It’s not all about the stats (as i’ve found out). Doesn’t tell you how good you are at buffering lactic acid.. how well you recover.. how long you sustain a sprint… how good you are at actual racing

I’m talking more about road racing here but i’ve found i can quite easily ride in 3/4 cat road and crit races and stay with the front group (and move from the back to front in crit races). However, When it ramps up to a sprint at the end i can’t sustain it..

Also you still have to develop race craft and technique.. it’s simply not enough to say I need a certain W/kg to win races.

(and this is coming from someone that was getting very excited by my stats and improvements)

It’s not all about the stats (as i’ve found out). Doesn’t tell you how good you are at buffering lactic acid.. how well you recover.. how long you sustain a sprint… how good you are at actual racing

That’s what I am hoping 🙂 Also technical skill comes into it in MTBing too. I think I am good at most of the rest of it (apart from taking the pressure of having someone on my wheel due to complete lack of experience of that 🙂 ) so I feel like it’s just the lard that’s holding me back…

So overall result is that iDiet is only as good as the old fashioned ‘eat less move more’ routine, dissapointing

I should add that the weight loss this time has been much quicker and easier than the last time, and then I plateaued at 84.5 and could not shift no matter what when I started to include speed work in my training. I’ve done speed work throughout this period of weight loss.

We shall see if I can keep going, and what I can maintain 🙂

I am a bit down, didn’t loose anything this week despite three intense commute rides and pretty much sticking to the diet. How do you know when you’ve reached a good weight to aim for? I know it’d be different for everybody, my notion was to get to 12 stone and I am at 12.5, half to go. I am 6 foot. Anybody got any guidance on this? Is it % fat figure that’s important?

TPM.

That sounds similar to my current situation. I believe I’m around 84Kg, I’m 6’1″. I too would like to get back to around 77 – 79Kg

it’s simply not enough to say I need a certain W/kg to win races

and to add to that, when getting down to more ideal weights lighter does not always mean faster. it’s defiantly a balancing game, but this is where looking at the performance stats comes back in.

Is it % fat figure that’s important

Yes.. why not google for some images of different BF percentages see if you can find someone who looks like you.

Here we go. Not quite in the Molgrips category, its the only recent pic I have online.

You look like you are over-dressed there. Fleece and long finger gloves? It’s a lovely day!

Not a fleece, its just a LS tech top and the only layer I was wearing on the top half.

I always wear gloves now after a riding buddy thought he’d be trick and activate the lock on his Manitou forks while still riding.

So he reaches down to the bottom of the RH fork leg to twiddle the lock-out, and BANG !, his hand goes into the wheel and the most violent over-the-bars I’ve ever seen happens in an instant.
Man, he went down hard into that asphalt.

It made enough of a mess of his hand as it was. Had he not been wearing gloves the injury would have been mahoosively worse and bloodier.

From that day forward, I’ve always worn gloves, no matter what the weather or the riding.
Those particular items are summer gloves anyway and quite breezy.
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10% apparently…

From that day forward, I’ve always worn gloves, no matter what the weather or the riding.

In case you feel the need to do something clumsy and stupid? 🙂

Yeti – that guy on the left doesn’t look as ripped as the guy on the right.. I look more like lefty now but with much less bulk of course. You can see some definition in my thighs and biceps as I stand there.

same guy is it not? before and after?

The weight’s falling off Mr Toast, quite jealous, I could do with losing a stone or two meself. Unfortunately I am weak and love milky tea. 🙁

Incidentally, any idea what I can make for dinner tonight? I have beef mince, lots of veg and a huge amount of greens. But not chilli, we had chilli last night…

I think it’s a before and after Molly!

I only actually wanted the image on the right as an example of 10%.

Mrs Toast… cottage pie without the top… mince.

In both of those TSY? They look very different to me. From looking at pictures on fitness sites and google images I would say I’m around the 16% ish.

Edit: didn’t read the replies. I’m less defined than the left image.

And cottage pie – use mashed butternut squash as the topping, better than potatoes!

Oh I see, the change of head angle fooled me 🙂

I think I am 15% or so. If I can lose 3-5% more that’ll put me at about 80-82kg.

Mrs Toast – got any root veg? You could mash them up for pie topping.

In case you feel the need to do something clumsy and stupid
Ha !, see, you do know me 🙂

That and the fact that all of us, at sometime, are going to drop it
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Mrs Toast.
Make a Ragu source. Too yummy for words
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make what I just made – a spag bol. But I will have mine with quinoa or beans while the rest of the family will have spag.

Or make it a minestrone.

Yeah yeah I know it’s ragu – but I’ve been accused twice of posting the most middle class things ever (on food related threads) and I’m not even a member of ANY class.

i think it’s a bit misleading to look at Google images and compare body fat% pic’s as some kind of indication to your own %.

EDIT: i was talking photos more than that^ But even still it’s not indicative of what you will definitely look like.

I think I’m going to struggle to drop below 76kg 🙁

i think it’s a bit misleading to look at Google images and compare body fat% pic’s as some kind of indication to your own %

Sat here at my desk there are few other metrics available 🙂

I think I’m going to struggle to drop below 76kg

Yeti come on. Why not a great big 😀 that you are pretty flippin lean. this is one battle you’ve already won, I’d be pretty chuffed about that if I were you.

How important is it to drop the milk in tea. I only have about 3 cups a day and with not more than a tablespoon of milk in each. Is that the reason that I don’t seem to be losing any weight?

I have been sticking to the diet pretty strictly for at least a month and whilst the weight is coming down, I seem to drop about a kg monday to friday each week and then gain 0.8 – 1.2 kg each day off at the weekend.

Overall, I am not really losing anything at all and I am beginning to run out of patients with it.

The only faults I can see are 2-3 cups of tea with a little milk. The odd diet coke (OK maybe 5 a week) and some sausages or meatballs from time to time which I have dropped this week without any apparent effect…

Any advice?

Coz really I want to be below 75kg.

I said around 16%, which in my head means +/-3%, as a rough idea. I only wanted to know as an approximation, i.e. a fatty is 25% or above (male), and an athlete may be under 10%, and I lie somewhere in between. I understand that bodyfat is incredibly difficult to measure accurately, and in reality it doesn’t make a jot of difference to me.

Why, TSY?

Sat here at my desk there are few other metrics available

Fair enough, I just know how big the margin of error is when measuring body fat %. Especially when using the scales, which is what I assume most people shown in the images have used.

Wasn’t trying to knock peoples enthusiasm.

hmm, looking at those pics I would say I’m about 25% 🙁

mines probably about 10-12%

Don’t know, it just seems a better number. I also reckon it would mean my stomach was as lean as the rest of me.

5’10” and over 12stone… surely I can get leaner.

5’10” and over 12stone… surely I can get leaner.

You’re not thinking at all right. 5’10 and 12st says nothing about how LEAN you are, just how much you weigh.

Question is, what are your goals? Race performance? Image? Climbing performance?

Or does your obsessive nature just need another project? 😉

5’10” and 14 st 7 lbs 😥

5’10” and over 12stone… surely I can get leaner.

do you not spend a lot of time in the gym? remember muscle weighs more than fat

Mleh, obsessive nature probably. 12 stone used to be fine as a target.

Climbing (rock) performance is probably my current challenge. Oh and a 5 min running mile, 25 miles in an hour on the road bike and sub 20 min mile swim.

Any advice?

Follow the plan properly?

There’s a lot of rusk in a sausage.

TSY, get yourself a TT bike and a pointy hat and get down South Wales on the fast 25 mile course 😉

Even I did 56.46 down there 😀

Where’s that Hugh?

*wonders if target should be 50min*

I’m not sure it helps to pluck random numbers out of the air.

Time yourself on some set routes now, decide what you want to focus on (not just randomly everything cool), get iDave to give you a plan for it and focus on that.

Most climbers are super skinny, and light weight helps typically, but there are some big climbers. When I was in the climbing wall attacking an overhanging 6a week after week, I started to bulk up noticeably.

Maybe your target should be a faster lap than me at SITS 🙂