Get your dancing on grave boots ready

Were it anyone other that her I would agree with you.

Anyone?

Surf-Mat – I hope you appreciate the irony of the PR man, who manages to present himself in such a way that people ‘stalk’ him from other forums to give him sh1t, doling out careers advice! 😆

IMO we probably pay as much in tax as other Euro nations but it’s often hidden.

My bro in law and family live in Sweden – massive taxes but amazing public services. You know where you are there – you WILL get taxed to the hilt but your train WILL turn up on time and you WILL get great hospital care.

Bloody cold though.

that’s right mat the economic downturn triggered by banks in America had nothing to do with it at all , did not cause an unforseen recession and reduced govt income banks were not overstretched and needed baling out, companies went to the wall etc it was just simply labour govt – the fact every other country suffered a similiar fate is indicative of just how widespread their mismanagement was I assume mat…The fact every other G20 country agreed was persuaded by Broown to do quantative easing and /or spending ot stop a recession [ and the usa still is]getting hold was.
Be right wing if you wish but to blame Labour policies alone for the shortfall created by the economic downturn is a daft thing to say , even for an intellectuall pygmy like you.

cue yet more ‘indisputable’ facts and figures re unemployment, growth, NHS funding as a % of GDP etc. etc. yawn>

Yes I hate those people who back up what they say with data/evidence. I much prefer people like you who just spout and an opinion, offer no evidence to support it and then mock those who do present evidence to counter your viewpoint.

I have no devotion to the recent new labour government.

Woot! We have agreement on something 😉

intellectuall pygmy

That’s in conteniton to be my favourite quote!

Yes I hate those people who back up what they say with data/evidence. I much prefer people like you who just spout and an opinion, offer no evidence to support it and then mock those who do present evidence to counter your viewpoint

I assume this is a troll, given that your previous post implies a complete misunderstanding of the nature of a structural deficit. Given that, I suppose I’d better not rise to it…

So Junkyard, you deny that Labour massively overspent? Didn’t build up any reserves when it was booming? Shall we just blame it on America? Shall we ignore or woefully regulated banks too? Was it not Labour’s fault that they had a free hand in helping wreck the economy? Did they not bend over backwards to accommodate these banks too?

Insult all you like but your view of the world is a very distorted one. Still at least you can pinch other people’s lines and attempt to brush over your shortcomings by appearing to be funny heh?

Surf-Mat – Member

IMO we probably pay as much in tax as other Euro nations but it’s often hidden.

No = we pay less. The numbers do not lie. total tax take as % of gdp. No hidden taxes whatever you think they may be

My bro in law and family live in Sweden – massive taxes but amazing public services. You know where you are there – you WILL get taxed to the hilt but your train WILL turn up on time and you WILL get great hospital care.

Of course – they pay significantly more in taxes to afford better service

49% taxation there compared to 39% here
Rememebr with many of these countries you pay for your healthcare on top of your taxation so the figures for tax take do not include the cost of healthcare as it does for the UK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP

More of a retrospective than documentary…

Milton Keynes?!? don’t you bring those wannabe upstart roundabout copying nerdowells into this TSY!!

Of course – they pay significantly more in taxes to afford better service

49% taxation there compared to 39% here
Rememebr with many of these countries you pay for your healthcare on top of your taxation so the figures for tax take do not include the cost of healthcare as it does for the UK

I’m not arguing here, just comparing.

As for tax – massive fuel tax, inheritance tax, capital gains tax, etc, etc – we pay a lot more than just income tax and NI.

Can anyone think of a policy or action of her government’s that was actually a good idea and did the country some good? I’m certainly struggling.

I know this might be slightly out of context here, but is Thatcher dead yet?

It would appear that GDP growth increased at a lower rate compared to similar countries under Thatcher.

GDP growth in the UK increased at a higher rate compared to other countries after Thatcher was gone.

Look at graph again – rare of increase (gradient of line) is greater for UK

surf matt – can you read? Those percentages are the total tax take as a % of GDP – including everything from Vat to council tax to income tax

Milton Keynes – Kicking Swindon’s ass in Bovine plastination since 1967.

damo – you look at it again – the gap between the UK and the other countries grew. Growth rates were lower. Indisputable.

can you read?

Yes I can – please point out where you added the GDP information stated?

Junkyard

I did point out that it was my opinion and experience. As far as facts and figures go, I’m quite certain that if I had the time or inclination I could just as easily be an internet expert and obtain the proof you require in support my posts. I am not, however, a Conservative (or Labour) spin doctor and have no real interest in party politics for the very reason this thread exists ie. lots of hot air and polarised opinions which ultimately achieve …k all.

BTW – intellectual has only one ‘l’ on the end which is rather amusing in its context. In addition, is it really ‘PC’ to use the diminutive stature of certain groups of people in such pejorative manner. Surely SM warrants at least a ‘pygmoid’ rating?

Was it not Labour’s fault that they had a free hand in helping wreck the economy? Did they not bend over backwards to accommodate these banks too?

Of course, the Tories (and the City) would have wholeheartedly supported any Labour plans for greater regulation of the financial sector, wouldn’t they??

As they would have poured scorn on any foreign military adventurism??

and they wouldn’t have cosied up to W, would they??

Lets face it – For most of 1997 – 2010 the Tory party did little in the way of effective opposition, mainly because TB’s brand of “socialism” was not that far removed from what went before

Thatcher was a disaster – if only we could have returned to the good old 1970’s!?

really TSY? try some stats IN YOUR FACE!

edit: shit, first time I did it Swindon won with 1 result, now MKscum seems to have fabricated 38 results!?! you can keep yr concrete cows, we’ve got chalk horses!

mat it is tax per % of GDP 🙄
I may have misuderestimated you calling you an intelectual pygmy

MK 39 – Swindon 1

Whoops, hollers, does donut round another round-about.

rkk – I’m not some die hard Tory boy (I didn’t vote for them) but I am also under no illusion that Labour were much good either. The “good” they did was just artificially propped up and now the ConDems are having to clear it up.

I suspect you are correct – any government may have done similar. But it was Labour that did it so they can carry the can.

damo – you look at it again – the gap between the UK and the other countries grew. Growth rates were lower. Indisputable.

That graph looks to me like actual GDP as opposed to real GDP so don’t mean much. Here’s real GDP growth, and if you can draw any meaningful conclusions from that apart from the fact that Germany does much better than us you’re doing very well.

😆 @ Junkyard

I’m assuming that was intentional 😉

may have misuderestimated you calling you an intelectual pygmy

😆 😆 😆

Posting those daft ‘failboat has grounded’ etc pictures is if course a great indicator of intellectual pigmyism. Mat, surely you can flex your rad PR skillz to come up with something more witty or subtle than that?

mat it was intentional for woody and irony – cant beleive it went over your head given how sharp you are. However, the first misspelling was unintentional and does have an amount of irony that does add to the value of the quote IMHO.

Mat he posted this link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP

You mentioned hidden taxes again and then , when stating you could read asked where the mention of GDP was.
YOu need to develop some humour here mat you really do.
Your fail is much larger than mine which is only an added letter rather than an inability to think and read

Junkyard – I didn’t read the link as it was a Wiki one so I don’t believe it. Did Google %age GDP and figures vary wildly.

You mention me taking things too seriously; now try reading your posts again and tell me how much humour is involved? Borrowed lines don’t count – that’s not your own wit.

how about a probably photoshopped picture of Dubya biting a kitten/tiny big cat?

did labour overspend? yes

did the opposition at the time want them to spend more? yes

did labour under-regulate the financial industry? yes

did the opposition want even less regulation? yes

do any of them actually give a shit about it? no

Borrowed lines don’t count – that’s not your own wit

I genuinely dont know what you are accusing me of borrowing here – the bush one? the pygmy one what? The ones ages ago about why you were a director? As you plagarised direct form a newspaper without sourcing it is a bit rich [ did you see what I did there 😉 or have I stolen that one? ]coming from you.

Reasonable points iDave

Labour did not overspend – they undertaxed

The problem with ‘opposition’ is that all it usually entails is disagreeing with the party(ies) in power unless it would be a PR disaster not to agree (dangerous dogs/knife crime etc).

they spent more than tax revenue suggested was prudent = overspending

does someone in debt overspend or just not earn enough?

The problem with ‘opposition’ is that all it usually entails is disagreeing with the party(ies) in power unless it would be a PR disaster not to agree (dangerous dogs/knife crime etc).

Quite right.

But, all parties try to re-write history when they come to power. The re-packaging of the previous regime’s legacy has more credibility if you vociferously opposed what they were doing at the time.

The Tories opposed Labour stealth taxes, but promoted more, not less, business regulation 🙄

At every turn, CMD, George / Gideon and all the other condem cabinet members are including a line on Labour getting us into this mess…

It’s all rather disingenuous