[Closed] Flooding

Just north of Blackburn here and the brook that runs under our house it at the top of its culvert walls at 10.30 with at least a couple more hours of rain to come, potentially the heaviest as well. The sound of boulders tumbling down the stream bed is very un-nerving; I hate it.

Just been out in the car and Whalley is badly flooded with Fire, Council and Police all over the place with a big concentration at the foot of Whalley Nab; I bet water is pouring down off the Nab into the village.

The Ribble is 4cms below its all-time record. Today will be a new record.

What has actually caused this flooding, it was relatively rare ?? no?

Even in cities the drains are often bubbling up throught the manhole covers, a few years ago sheffield at Attercliffe was under feet when the don floooded

Surely there's a solution other than our NOBle Prime Minister offering his hand of support and a few quid to those affected ,the people in these areas must be living a bleeding nightmare evertime heavy rain is on its way.

Really feeling for everyone up there it just seems never-ending with the same places being flooded over and over 🙁

What has actually caused this flooding, it was relatively rare ?? no?

The Ribble is now at 5.43m, beating its record of 5.34m.

What has actually caused this flooding, it was relatively rare ?? no?

It would be fun to blame global warming, but I wonder if it's more prosaic: lots more houses and roads, which don't absorb rainfall in the same way that trees and fields do.

As first post walked round local woods this morning, have not seen it this bad since last flood in 82 the lower town centre was flooded. Bit ironic when the environment agency are a third of the way through building some flood defence water retention areas on the two becks that flow into town. Some lower town shops are under water already. Not good but nowhere near as tragic as in Cumbria they are again bearing the worst of it.

What has actually caused this flooding, it was relatively rare ?? no?

It's a fair question, even if the answer is obvious when you look at the rain record. I'm in Doncaster, only 45 miles south of some of the worst affected areas, but crucially east of the Pennines. We've had nothing of note this winter at all, just a few squalls when the worst of the winds rolled through, and I think it's a similar story most places to the east and south of say Leeds. Aside from the high levels on the Trent and through York, you wouldn't guess what the other side of the country is getting.

Calder worse than 2012. My 85 yr old Mums flat in hebden didn't flood then, now it's knee deep and she's evacuated

It's all down to the jetstream, innit. This Autumn it has wavered between northern and southern Europe for reasons of its own, meaning that the British Isles have been swept by an unending sequence of warm fronts, many of them passing in such a way that they run longitudinally along the country for periods of many hours rather than racing across briefly then giving us the typical post-front colder, drier, squally weather.

Right now at 11.15 the Met Office shows us as being under a patch of heavy rain, which should clear North by 13.00 but return more briefly this evening.

We're back underwater in Hebden. It's higher than 2012 floods.

Tod and Mytholm. are effected too.

****.

It's pretty bad round us in Rammy. We've got a river running past the house off the Moors. Looks like the banks of the Irwell went this morning. Stubbins is underwater. A lot of roads closed. The Waterside pub in Summerseat, further down the river, has completely collapsed! 😯 it's foundations washed away. No let up forecast.

If we get a big tide we could be ****ed, winds blowing onshore too.Think the pinch points on the crake are wet already. Hohum.

really feel for those affected, pretty normal here the ditch at the end of the garden has hardly any water in it and river level (Nene) are quite low for the time of year.

Seeing some awful footage around the West on social media from friends. Stay safe anyone effected and thoughts with you.

Relatively rae? No it's not at all it has maybe been worse of late with some bug floods but there's been some pretty bugs ones over many a decade. Media pushes it big time as well as easier for people to report and take footage so we get a more realistic view of them and their effects.

Sky news just mentioned - Todmorden is also affected...

Water is now .10m below the high level mark of floods for Hebden in 2012.

Don't expect any of the trails to be the same this week. Last time was a total reshape of things.

Mr Woppit - Member
Sky news just mentioned - Todmorden is also affected...

They flooded the park around 9am today. Roads in and out are closed too. Main street flooded as well.

We are in Clitheroe here and it hasn't stopped raining for about 2 months now. Supposed to be going down to Ribchester today to my parents but the village is cut off with the army, police and environment agency there. There and Whalley they are evacuating some residents to higher ground. Both villages have always been prone to flooding but the frequency is becoming greater.

I am staying with my in laws at the top of the nab in whalley, so nowhere near the flooding.
But I can see the Calder has burst its banks.
Crazy levels of rain, and still coming down here..

My plan to ride Gisburn tomorrow looks a bit silly.
Hopefully after today if stops raining !!

Long range meteo is another storm on the back of this one :/

Just seen on sky news ilkley is cut off. All roads in/out shut.

They've now shut the M62 due to flood damage!.

Supposed to be heading to Clitheroe (well Grindleton) this afternoon.... Wondering if it will be more sensible to stay in snowy Penicuik?

A55 closed between bangor and conway and diversions also floded, heavy floodig om M62, serious damage to roadway 19 to 20 junctions,seriousflooding in mcr and liverpool and a pub has been washed away at Summerseat.

Jerome, I think you should be safe up there :D.
If you can't make Gisburn, just try riding up the Nab.

Retro Tom, might be worth checking if you can actually get into Grindleton, all the bridges were flooded 3 weeks ago (about a mile and a half from me and it is my 'from the door' ride up onto the fell)

It's worse than. Binners has lost a pub.

Ribchester Arms under water,just been on the BBC, I had my 21st and wedding evening do there.

Drac, would it be a flat roofed pub 😀

Just seen on sky news ilkley is cut off. All roads in/out shut.

Even the one over the moor? That's fairly apocalyptic!

We are in Clitheroe here and it hasn't stopped raining for about 2 months now

I couldn't see any blue fairy fairy lights so not sure langylad.

The collapsed pub is the old mill canteen that's built over the Irwell in Summerseat. It's been a string of pubs and restaurants for years, all of which have failed and it's been disused for a long time. I'm sure it will now be demolished. The cellars were made from timber and suspended underneath so they were always the first bit to flood.

I drank quite a lot of beer there in the early 90s in my blissful batchelor days living in the Brick Houses.

I was in the flood incident room yesterday and last night and the predicted rainfall/water levels were just insane - I finished at 6am this morning and am going back in for 10pm tonight. We were hoping the predictions were going to be wrong as it looked so bad but I've just woken up and seen the pictures, blood drained out of me instantly.

Please stay safe everyone, don't go near the flooding, don't even go and spectate, stay away for the moment.

Once it's gone, come back and spend all your money, the communities are going to need it.

Slowoldman - that's a perfect description. It's been the perfect storm (no pun intended). Wave after wave of heavy rain, no chance for levels to receed and the land to dry out.

Have a look at GaugeMap online to see how crazy the levels have been.

Tod Hare&Hounds on Sky News now. Awful.

Just walked down the hill to the bridge in whalley.
Crazy levels of water and still rising.
Not much going on, as I think everyone was evacuated hours and hours ago.
Came across a dead sheep on the way 🙁

Every road in and out of Rammy is now closed. The main bridge in is now closed too, even to pedestrians. The height of the Irwell is bonkers. This is the water running down our road..

This is where it's ending up, in the Irwell...,

The rain briefly stopped while we were out. It's now bucketing down again! 🙁

Went out this morning in biblical rain storms up on the moors north of Harroagte. Torrential rain and broken rivers and the reservoirs are busting. Turned back on a couple of the lanes up near Pateley Bridge/Wath so headed up over the moors to Kirkby Malz, still pissing down but now I'm back at the farm the clouds breaking... A bit..

Just watched the video of Hebden Bridge and has brought a tear to my eye. As a family we visit quite often and love the town. We will be back and support the local businesses. Hope it stops soon.

Have a look at GaugeMap online to see how crazy the levels have been.

Once it's gone, come back and spend all your money, the communities are going to need it.

Planning on it already!

Stay safe folks.

They are saying that every river in Lancashire has broken previous height levels...

I should be on nights tonight, however I can't get onto Anglesey. A55 is submerged after J15 -11. Bonkers weather. 😯

They are saying that every river in Lancashire has broken previous height level

That is quite something considering the levels they have already been at this year. Was just about to take the hounds for their daily stroll down to the Ribble, don't think i will bother.

Hebden

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That's heartbreaking seeing Hebden like that.

Just hope lives haven't been lost. When you see the raging torrents the rivers have become

Still raining hard in whalley.
Imaging it may be coming over the bridge on the Calder now.
Will pop down later as not much else to do...

Calder has burst the banks at brighouse, not as bad as Hebden but a fair few cars /homes business flooded.

I was in Hebden Xmas eve. Bought pork belly and venison sausages from the butchers.

As soon as its up and running again I will be there.

If only the Tories cared.

Bloody nora, that's sad to see Hebden like that.

It looks bloody deep against the shops down the main street like that. As others have said I'll be making some trips to spend some dosh that way.

Much as i love to bash the [i]Tories[/i] at every valid opportunity i fail to see how you lay the blame on them for this trifecta of misery.

As i see it (i may be totally wrong)

We are entering an El-Nino weather cycle that historically has played silly buggers with the jet stream in the southern hemisphere - this moves warm weather patterns northwards into Europe which leads to increased rainfall and strong winds.

We have had pretty much constant rain for the previous 6 weeks

Saturated ground can only accomodate so much water before it creates the perfect environment for flooding, even minimal rainfall that in previous years has not posed a problem becomes exacerbated when it falls on a rising water table.

Nothing short of designating vast swathes of the countryside to be set aside as flood plains with heavily engineered run off channels to deal with this problem could make a difference, if the government and thus farmers (they'd need massive compensation) who are willing to allow their land to become incorporated into such areas allow this then the problems [i]may[/i] be localised into certain areas, until such a plan is built this will happen again…and again.

We cannot get out of Ilkley at the moment, even the high level routes have flooded with water in dips

Any pointers getting into Tod from the burnley side that I'd need to know about?

Planning to visit my dad, he says it's fine but he sounded hammered and we have different levels as to what's fine as I'll be driving the family in and it's a 2 hours drive from where we are now

Water has stopped in Hebden, starting to drop a bit. But more rain due.

Suggested headline: ****ed

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I don't think this is really the tories fault, though when it stops they or more likely the snp will claim they stopped the floods

Here's an interesting pic of the atmospheric river that is bringing all the rain and storms

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=954633534617629&substory_index=0&id=208916149189375

Podge - I wouldn't even attempt that journey at the moment! Your odds of making it all the way through are slim to non-exist any. There are roads closed left, right and centre, and no reliable information as to which.

There's a lot more rain forecast

The fire brigade are appealing for people not to travel unless absolutely essential, as pulling peoples stranded cars out of flooded roads is diverting resources away from genuinely essential emergencies.

Please stay at home!

our carpet warehouse is under 2 feet of water in Crosshills along with a few other businesses and a mates house has been flooded also .
The canal was overflowing in lots of places but quite impressive between Kildwick and Silsden

wetist ride I have done for ages strangly the flood water felt warm when the bastid coming the other way just kept his speed up as I was axle deep in a flood between gargrave and skipton was a bit amusing as I could not get any wetter before

Jeez - was supposed to be coming over from Ireland tomorrow...

Not too sure if I'll bother - A5/A55 flooded, can I even get off anglesey? (fast ferry is not running either).

Then more trouble on the m60/m62.

Jeez - was supposed to be coming over from Ireland tomorrow...

Not too sure if I'll bother - A5/A55 flooded, can I even get off anglesey? (fast ferry is not running either).

Then more trouble on the m60/m62.

We're supposed to be going to Ireland on the 28th. I'm not holding my breath that it'll happen.

Gregmay ex-worc?

We're wet but not too bad over here tbf, rivers high but not near flooding.

curses.

The bridge on the main road into Rammy is still completely closed. They're worried it might be about to collapse. There's footage online of shipping containers being carried down the Irwell, hitting the bridges. Ones been taken out in Radcliffe, and a gas main with it. Looks quite dramatic, to say the least! 😯

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I wonder which wellies Dave will wear when he comes to see us all? 2 trips North in a year Eh? 😀

Saccades - Member
Jeez - was supposed to be coming over from Ireland tomorrow...

Not too sure if I'll bother - A5/A55 flooded, can I even get off anglesey? (fast ferry is not running either).

Then more trouble on the m60/m62.

big hole apeared in M62 as well road closed

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/live-heavy-rain-brings-flooding-10652352

Gregmay ex-worc?

We're wet but not too bad over here tbf, rivers high but not near flooding.

curses.

There can be only one 😉

So yeah. That's me.

bugger.

Appears there are diversions... What do we reckon, an extra 3 hours?

Mate has a 4x4 with a snorkle, I'm tempted to give him a ring.

Thanks for the info binners, I'm going to reassess in the morning, being a local I know routes over the top to avoid the valley bottom but as you say, no point in causing people more issues when they are already busy so we might postpone.

Big landslide on the top road between Burnley and Blackshaw Head. Wouldn't be surprised if some of the other top roads are dodgy too.

Nobs to that then, I'm not avoiding floods just to tangle with landslides.

Rawtenstall very bad this afternoon, brother in law filling sandbags as we speak, culvert coming off the moors has burst at the top of his garden.

Walk Mill and Cliviger dodgy too, Red Lees Roaad closed.

I'm 46, not seen it this bad before.
How many times for Tod and Hebden now?
It's heartbreaking.
Stay safe everyone.

One view back in 2008 was that we were entering a period of higher flood risks as part of a long term natural cycle, not global warming.

He looked at seasonal rainfall and river flow patterns dating back to 1853 which suggest fluctuations between very wet and very dry periods, each lasting for a few years at a time, but also very long periods of a few decades that can be particularly wet or particularly dry.

In terms of river flooding, the period since the early 1960s and until the late 1990s appears to be relatively flood free, especially when compared with some periods in the late 19th century and early 20th Century. As a result of analysing rainfall and river flow patterns, Prof. Lane believes that the UK is entering a flood rich period that we haven’t seen for a number of decades.

More than three-quarters of our flood records start in the flood-poor period that begins in the 1960s. This matters because we set our flood protection in terms of return periods – the average number of years between floods of a given size. We have probably under-estimated the frequency of flooding

https://www.dur.ac.uk/geography/news/allgeognews/?itemno=6479

Any pointers getting into Tod from the burnley side that I'd need to know about?

Thanks nick, all the info is about roads, any idea if trains are making it through? Thinking we could meet in Manchester or something as he's desperate to see his grandson.

Trains are off in the Valley at the moment. Line is a canal between Walsden and Littleborough.

They were off today anyway, but I wouldn't expect them to be on tomrrow either.

Longcauseway landslip:

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Trains have been off before with far,far less rain.Not seen or heard any trains today but that maybe because it's Boxing Day.Check the train websites for tomorrow.

Cheers guys, still going to reassess tomorrow morning but thinking we'll stay up here a while longer. Just sucks that grandad and great grandad won't get to see the little lad

Yorkshire's no longer cut off from ilkley, fwiw. Queues getting round abandoned cars on the moor road mind you.

Went for a bit of a biblical xbike ride earlier. Thigh deep crossing the main bridge. Had to concentrate when I hit the current.