F1 2021 – spoilers here

To answer my question. No.

Apparently a ’50s le mans driver.

Mike Hawthorn’s best mate, and fifties Grand Prix star.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Collins_(racing_driver)

Although, “Collins was sacked by Ferrari after deliberately damaging the clutch in his car, which he shared with Mike Hawthorn during the 24 Hours of Le Mans rather than race in a rainstorm, and was found drinking in a pub in England before the end of the race.”

Oh, they were lads, all right. 🙂 Not sure when the Le Mans shenanigans was but you’ll note it was Ferrari he was driving for when he was killed.

@Jimster

I believe that the C4 coverage will use commentary by the Sky team so that’s an unexpected bonus.

I believe that the C4 coverage will use commentary by the Sky team so that’s an unexpected bonus

Shouty Crofty? I’d turn him off and stick the radio commentary on. The real bonus of the C4 deal looks like a shorter pre/post race Red Bull advert. Sorry, pre/post race show hosted by DC.

Can we just all agree to start calling C4 F1, Red Bull TV? Would probably be simpler that way

C4 coverage isn’t that bad.

I’ve warmed to Steve Jones, I found him irritating as hell to begin with. The over expressing and hopping round like an excited teenager was annoying but I think he is genuinely that enthusiastic.

Mark Webber was okay but his “Yeah mate, these boys are coming the raw prawn while throwing shrimps on the barbie, ya flaming drongo” shtick kind of grated after a while.

I don’t actually mind DC, his Red Bull bias is kind of priced in, plus “Uunderrrotaion” is always good value.

They need to use Lee Mackenzie more though, she’s great.

Sky wins though mainly through the combined efforts of Brundle, Kravitz and Ant Davidson, the rest aren’t any better than C4

Radio-TV commentary sync rarely works anymore.

I don’t actually mind DC, his Red Bull bias is kind of priced in, plus “Uunderrrotaion” is always good value.

You forgot his fav: ‘mitie’. As in that lap/sector/Red Bull performance was mitie, Redbull sugaryshit is mitie etc…

Oh and his other fave “straight to the scene of the accident”

Brundle’s is “A day late and a dollar short”

and was found drinking in a pub in England before the end of the race

Of course you would never get this these days but this is my favourite Le Mans drink driving story. Plenty of coffee and brandy at the pit stops to ward off the hangover and keep them alert.

And they won…

THE DRUNKEN TALE OF DUNCAN HAMILTON

FIA behave or else warning here

“Uunderrrotaion” is always good value.

It might be good value now but remember that past performance is no guarantee of future success.

I wonder how many times we’ll hear “on this day in history”….

FIA behave or else warning here

Good. Hopefully it serves as a deterrent rather than having to be used, otherwise every single F1 conversation for the next decade is going to be shouted over by millions of Dutch conspiracy theorists.

He just doesn’t get it does he! 🙂

Verstappen disagrees with ‘brake test’ penalty and claims he’s treated ‘unfairly’

Expect a full wacky races start from Max then!

“And then also the other penalty as well I don’t agree with.”

That’s a solid argument he’s putting forward there tbf

I guess that’s why Verstappen has 7 penalty points on his license and Hamilton has 2. If you don’t think what you’re doing is wrong, you’re more likely to continue to do it.

If you don’t think what you’re doing is wrong, you’re more likely to continue to do it.

Quite

Max earlier….

I’d say he is treated differently.

Brazil showed he is sometimes given more latitude than other drivers in order, it seems, to preserve the spectacle.

Seems to me that verstappen is just pulling moves that Hamilton was lauded for over the previous years. Just when two people are doing the same thing it will go wrong.
Also, since when did race stewards negotiate with teams as to what penalty they would like??? Surely as stewards with an experienced driving standards rep they should just hand down the penalty and the teams such it up.

I guess that’s why Verstappen has 7 penalty points on his license and Hamilton has 2. If you don’t think what you’re doing is wrong, you’re more likely to continue to do it.

Hamilton does have 2 reprimands for his driving this season (rather ironically!) so a 3rd one during practice or qualifying this weekend will trigger an automatic 10-place grid penalty.

Hamilton definitely used to push Rosberg off track when he attempted to overtake on the outside.

Just needs a definitive statement and consistent enforcing. The FIA/Stewards are not capable of it though.

That’s a solid argument he’s putting forward there tbf

In his head he doesn’t need to. He’s right and everyone else is immaterial. That attitude, as a tool in a performance skill set, helps him become successful (or at least has done so far). As a personality trait it helps him come across as a dickhead. But you don’t win trophies for not being a dickhead.

Interesting to see that the tide of comments is heavily against him.

The only way this season is going to end in a clean and honourable manner is if Lewis shows him a clean pair of heels from Q3 onwards. Anything else is just going to end up in an ugly mess, whether that’s endless arguing between fans, controversial stewarding decisions, or actual carbon fibre.

Just needs a definitive statement and consistent enforcing

Or just show them the Vettel v Button video above and point out the parts with “racing room”

Seems to me that when points are added to your licence they should come off your championship score. Otherwise what’s the, er…, point?

The only way this season is going to end in a clean and honourable manner is if Lewis shows him a clean pair of heels from Q3 onwards

Or Verstappen does. (which he did do at this circuit last year)

Or Verstappen does. (which he did do at this circuit last year)

But Hamilton and Mercedes had nothing to fight for in that race (and Hamilton had just come back from Covid and was far from his best – just like the first part of this season).

Sensational Secret Santa work from @alo_oficial as he delivers his presents to @danielricciardo ??#AbuDhabiGP ?? #F1 pic.twitter.com/CywtTpGLg3

— Formula 1 (@F1) December 9, 2021

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Hamilton definitely used to push Rosberg off track when he attempted to overtake on the outside.

It’s been a few years so perhaps my memory is hazy, but I seem to remember it being more when the two cars were side by side; no one particularly in front so Hamilton would just take the racing line and yes, Rosberg would end up being pushed off.

With Max it’s quite different because even when the overtaking car gets well past Max’s car and has the move done, he just keeps off the brakes with no real attempt to make the corner & runs then out wide, by virtue of the fact he can’t make the corner on the line he is on. He doesn’t attempt to even make the corner himself.

So… Not so Secret Santa?

Seems to me that when points are added to your licence they should come off your championship score. Otherwise what’s the, er…, point?

Accrue 12 in a calendar year and it is a one race ban…

Also, since when did race stewards negotiate with teams as to what penalty they would like??? Surely as stewards with an experienced driving standards rep they should just hand down the penalty and the teams such it up.

Masi isn’t a steward. Ordinarily, for obvious reasons, he sorts out the ‘you need to give that place back’ issues straight after they occur. If the teams don’t do what they’re supposed to Masi refers it to the stewards who assess it and impose a penalty if required.

The only difference here is that the red flag happened so soon there was no time for the normal process, so they sorted out during the stoppage. It wasn’t negotiating a penalty, it didn’t get that far, because they sorted it out in the normal way, just not in the normal place.

With Max it’s quite different because even when the overtaking car gets well past Max’s car and has the move done, he just keeps off the brakes with no real attempt to make the corner & runs then out wide, by virtue of the fact he can’t make the corner on the line he is on. He doesn’t attempt to even make the corner himself

I think this sums it up perfectly with Max.

A lights to flag boring race victory for Hamilton is what I’m hoping for so that there’s no silly conspiracies or stewards intervention that decides it.

When asked if his opinion of Hamilton and Mercedes had changed over the course of their battle, Verstappen was blunt. “Yes, very much so,” he said. “And not in a positive way.”

He continued with a sense of grievance, expressing his belief that he was being unfairly singled out by the stewards in Saudi Arabia.

“Clearly only I was wrong somehow, other people do exactly the same thing and get nothing,” he added. “Both of us were off the track into turn one and somehow they judged that it was my fault, that I don’t agree with. It’s not how it should be, it’s not fair because it seems like other drivers can do different things, and it seems like only I get a penalty

Maybe his anger and false sense of victimisation is what he needs to motivate himself but that doesn’t sound like the talk of a champion to me. Still sounding like a petulant teenager.

A lights to flag boring race victory for Hamilton is what I’m hoping for so that there’s no silly conspiracies or stewards intervention that decides it.

I’m hoping Bottas takes out Verstappen and Perez at the first corner so I can listen to more moaning from Karen.

Haha…not

I’m with the others, I am actually wishing for a dull, processional race (with Hamilton at the front, obvs). Which says a lot about how mental it’s got over the last few races!!