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  • orena45
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    Not a barrel roll, but Christan Fittipaldi managed to finish a race (just) after flipping his Minardi, before landing on the wheels and rolling over the line at Monza in 1993 😆

    https://youtu.be/cciuTNyPyBE

    Superficial
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    Would be even harder for cars with downforce, as you would not only have to overcome the weight of the car, but the downforce as well.

    When you’re upsidedown, the downforce becomes upforce *taps forehead*.

    tomhoward
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    It’s not like they have a James Bond-esque barrel roll ramp at the side of the track.

    I bet Bernie pitched it.

    pocpoc
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    Bond ramps – If they increase some of those sausage kerbs a bit more then then could have!
    Haivng said that, one of the W-series drivers suffered fracture vertebrae at COTA this year from bouncing off one on turn 1 that was then removed for the F1 race because of it.

    Fittipaldi flip – still had 2 wheels on – Alonso would have nursed that back round to the pits.

    dannybgoode
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    None of these (bar Fittipaldi) made it across the line but some spectacular airborne incidents…

    Edit – has to be watched on YouTube so click on the linky 🙂

    andrewh
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    As Mashr days, just go and watch some rallying, I’m amazed what little of a car they get round a track in! Can’t think of it in single-seaters though

    multi21
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    sockpuppet

    FWIW I don’t think it has been gradual, it’s been quite marked. And it’s come home to roost: now Max is saying “it was ok in Brasil, what’s up with it now?”

    He was doing and getting away with stupid shit back at least as far as 2016 tbf

    dannybgoode
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    In other news. Can’t say the usually very slick Merc PR machine has done them a whole load of favours over all of this…

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/08/lewis-hamiltons-mercedes-team-ends-deal-grenfell-firm-kingspan

    dantsw13
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    A dreadful commercial decision, but at least they’ve dropped them in a week.

    sockpuppet
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    Fittipaldi didnt so much ‘flip and continue’ as much as ‘hadn’t finished crashing yet when he inadvertently crossed the line’!

    igm
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    @multi21 – and around that time every time Vettel and Verstappen were within a car’s length there was an incident. But back then it was Vettel that got criticised on here.

    Now Vettel cruising round mid field in a gig of a car is in the top couple of overtakers for the year (to be fair he has more opportunity than in his championship RB days, or even at Ferrari), which you can’t do without being half decent at sharing a track (Sunday not withstanding).

    We sometimes form judgements too quickly.

    boblo
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    We sometimes form judgements too quickly

    Hopefully the subtext of that isn’t that people have rushed to judge one Mr M.V.?

    b230ftw
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    They should just put Kimi as sole adjudicator of all on track action. You’d get no problems then. 😂😂

    Bez
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    Hopefully the subtext of that isn’t that people have rushed to judge one Mr M.V.?

    I find it hard to settle on an opinion of him. When he first arrived he did what I thought was the right thing: establish a clear reputation as uncompromising and fearless on track. Over time that should have settled a bit; I was expecting him to exercise a little more judgement in terms of when to really dig his heels in.

    That didn’t really happen, and we got a volatile mix of brilliance and over-reaching ambition until Monaco 2018. From then on he’s been solidly delivering top performances. A few moments, like the collision with Ocon at Interlagos and his conduct afterwards, but overall just generally obliterating teammates and getting everything out of the car.

    Then this year. For the first half I was impressed: still the exceptional driving, this time with a better car, and generally admirably stoic, most notably after Silverstone when the rest of the team lost their heads. But then in the second half the cracks have started to show again: Monza’s crash was just unnecessary, Brazil was deeply unprofessional, and Saudi was a complete mess: the over-aggressive moves in the corners was one thing and entirely predictable, but the braking incident was off the chart. He’s remained largely rational in interviews but the subtext is often very clear. He knows what he’s doing on track, and he doesn’t care what anyone else’s view on it is, including the stewards and the FIA: he will do whatever it takes to avoid losing his grip on the trophy.

    A shame, really, because I had quite changed my view of him early in the year. But I think the pressure is just bringing out his true colours again. Oddly I wondered during the early stages of qualifying whether now we’re at the sharp end of things we might see him repeat his once-regular Monaco qualifying errors, and so we did. Regrettably I find myself wanting to see him crack under the pressure this weekend.

    Superficial
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    Is it just that it’s easier to hold a moral highground / ‘sportsmanlike’ attitude when you’re in the faster car? Perhaps if the cars were evenly matched, Hamilton would be scrapping harder (like at Silverstone)?

    swavis
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    I think Max has actually had the faster car for most of the season, yet he’s still managed to act like a dick on more occasions than Lewis.

    pondo
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    But I think the pressure is just bringing out his true colours again.

    “Sport doesn’t develop character – it reveals it” – whoever said that was absolutely spot on.

    Bez
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    Is it just that it’s easier to hold a moral highground / ‘sportsmanlike’ attitude when you’re in the faster car?

    Maybe, but I don’t buy it as the reasoning here. The Red Bull’s been the faster car on several occasions this year, and Verstappen’s been leading the championship more often than Hamilton.

    mashr
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    F1 now sending out subtle “how to race” reminders

    johndoh
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    Perhaps if the cars were evenly matched

    I think they are pretty well evenly matched TBF – they just display certain traits that makes one or the other more suitable for certain circuits.

    swavis
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    mashr
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    F1 now sending out subtle “how to race” reminders

    Excellent, I note that neither of them left the track either 🙂

    reggiegasket
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    good summary @Bez

    The Saudi race was just the latest chapter in Max’s increasingly desperate show. The final chapter is just around the corner…

    Superficial
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    Maybe, but I don’t buy it as the reasoning here. The Red Bull’s been the faster car on several occasions this year, and Verstappen’s been leading the championship more often than Hamilton.

    Yes, although MV’s most egregious examples of poor driving have come in the second half of the season when he’s been more on the back foot (especially after HAM got a magic turbo boost fitted in Brazil).

    Maybe I’ve just noticed it more.

    johndoh
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    The final chapter is just around the corner…

    Or simply straight over it…

    Bez
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    😂

    Chest_Rockwell
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    I think he’s been following the Marc Marquez playbook. Win it or bin it, no compromise.

    The rules in MotoGP were for other riders to follow, not him. He’s also surrounded by sycophants who are living their dream through him, vicariously. Pushy parent, check! Failed racer managing him, check!

    The 2015 season, where Marquez helped Lorenzo win a title, which would’ve been Rossi’s, otherwise, was beyond belief. It was allowed to happen because the rules didn’t have a clause about one rider deliberately derailing another riders championship.

    One similarity from Saudi is that Honda claimed they had proof Rossi kicked Marquez off the bike in Sepang but never produced the telemetry. If you had a smoking gun, like that, why would you not release it?

    I’m sure some similarities can be drawn from the young pretender wanting to dethrone the king, too.

    igm
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    To be fair I loved watching Rossi in his prime, but I’m sure I have seen him, umm, using his foot to prevent his bike hitting someone else’s. Something like that. Fantastic to watch.

    boblo
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    That race when he duffed over Gibernau had such a profound effect on the Spaniard, he jacked it in!

    jimster01
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    Lifted from faceache

    FB-ATB
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    What happens if Max nerfs Lewis so his car is driveable but off the pace? Can he swap with Valtteri?

    TiRed
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    The other drivers part to allow him 10th?

    jairaj
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    Hmmm good question! Not sure what rules state but practically that wouldn’t be easy. The seats and control positions are custom made for the driver so it’s not easy to jump out of your car and into someone else’s.

    Also do would that count as an engine change for Hamilton? Would he have to drop back 5 places mid race?

    Tom-B
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    Not sure if it’s already been mentioned, but the season finale is now being shown live on Channel 4. Obviously I would’ve just streamed it anyway, but nice to not have to bother!

    andrewh
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    What happens if Max nerfs Lewis so his car is driveable but off the pace? Can he swap with Valtteri?

    In the race? No.
    It used to be a thing back in the 50s, drivers would often share a car (and the points) but I can’t remember when it was banned.
    Google Peter Collins if you want to see the ultimate example of this, he should really be much more famous.
    .
    After quali or practice? I don’t know. I suspect all kinds of Parc ferme, engine swap, etc rules would be broken but if for example LH has had a massive shunt on the way to the grid would he be allowed to take all the penalties and start in VB’s car from the back/pitlane?

    jimster01
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    Not sure if it’s already been mentioned, but the season finale is now being shown live on Channel 4. Obviously I would’ve just streamed it anyway, but nice to not have to bother!

    Great, I can watch the action and listen to five live commentary, for bearable commentary without Karen doing his live link to DC

    markgraylish
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    Not sure if it’s already been mentioned, but the season finale is now being shown live on Channel 4. Obviously I would’ve just streamed it anyway, but nice to not have to bother!

    Does anyone know for sure the start time of the race? I believe it’s “starting” at 13:00 GMT but I’m not certain whether that’s the ‘Lights out and away we go…’ moment or just the start of pre-race build up…

    jimster01
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    According to the F1 Website 13:00-15:00

    n0b0dy0ftheg0at
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    https://www.autosport.com/ says 1300 race start for UK, section with next F1 race dates/times under the news headlines.

    theotherjonv
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    “At the time of the television interview, I passed on exactly the information I had previously received from the engineers,” he told f1

    “They obviously weren’t right, so I’m sorry.”

    Glaringly obvious thing happened but someone told me it didn’t and if I repeat that glaringly obvious lie I’m not actually lying, because I’m just repeating what someone told me.

    Do Helmut and Boris share PR consultants?

    FFFF

    onehundredthidiot
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    Is Peter Collins the gentleman racer who would change his shoes as a race went on as “a gentleman does not wear brown shoes in the evening”?

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