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I’d say wasting all that money on twitter to save free speech was one of the most altruistic things anyone has ever done.

I’d say wasting all that money on twitter to save feee speech was one of the most altruistic things anyone has ever done.

Let me just set up a live tracker so we can keep track of where Musk is at all times.

Oops, not that kind of free speech, obviously.

Different cheek, same arse.

Lembit Opik’s autobiography

I’d say wasting all that money on twitter to save free speech was one of the most altruistic things anyone has ever done.

Well, if you think helping Trump was an “altruistic” thing to do. Twitter was captured by Musk because of how they handled Trump’s more dangerous misinformation at the height of the pandemic and after he wasn’t re-elected in 2020. And, not uncoincidentally, Musk now finds himself an inside man in an upcoming second Trump administration. Musk stands to gain A LOT from his purchasing of Twitter and bribing of voters for Trump. His competitors should be very worried.

I’d say wasting all that money on twitter to save free speech was one of the most altruistic things anyone has ever done.

Funniest thing I’ve read today – thanks for cheering me up.

He basically bought it cos someone was tracking his private jet & then kicked them off that isn’t free speech.

He turned it from a cespool into a ceslake

The whole campaign has been fascinating to watch, it feels like I’ve been watching a film rather than real life. Trump 2 return of the pussy grabber.

After 4 years of the dems and their media trying to claim Biden was fully with it and on top of his game they turned on him overnight and couped him when it became obvious to everyone that that was a lie, followed by the media machine going full force to try and turn one of the least liked VPs ever into Americas saviour.

Trump gets shot and handles it like a champ. The photo of him fist in the air, blood on his face with the American flag behind is publicity money cant buy.

Trump starts getting more and more endorsements from high profile people while the Dems get Liz Cheney and celebrate as if this is some sort of victory.

Trumps campaign talked a lot about a positive vision for the future and the changes he would make, while the Harris campaign just screeched constantly about how Trump is a facist and the next Hitler.

Ultimately I think the Americans made the right choice. Trump is far from perfect but the Dems have completely lost the plot in many many ways.

The photo of him fist in the air, blood on his face with the American flag behind is publicity money cant buy.

True. A key moment in the campaign, for sure. Arguably the day the election was won.

Yeah, but Starmer is repeatedly told that he can’t afford to lose ‘a certain kind of voter’.

That ‘certain kind’ that voted for Brexit and has now elected Trump. Twice.

I’d love Starmer/anyone to just say we can’t afford to let lies and ignorance lead us down that US path, and make it clear he won’t pander to it.

The same Starmer who burned all his own pledges once he’d gained the Labour Party leadership position? Likely story.

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I’ve been pussy footing about packing in twitter for a long time, seems a good day to finally walk away.
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I’m not on twitter X, never have been, never will and hubby has just said he’s leaving.

@nicknamless – I’m so sorry

I’d say wasting all that money on twitter to save free speech was one of the most altruistic things anyone has ever done.

The most alturistic things anyone has ever done! That’s an absurd enough statement even if you ignore the fact he immediately started banning journalists he didn’t like and continues to do so

https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-technology-business-dac21de7abb6167bb604f5317aeda10a

https://newrepublic.com/post/177936/twitter-suspends-accounts-journalists-critical-elon-musk

Come on Dems, say it with me “It’s a private platform, if you don’t like it, make your own twitter” lol

(Well, private apart from all those back doors to the various government propagandists).

I’m not on twitter X, never have been, never will and hubby has just said he’s leaving.

I’m not sure about ‘X’ bias – my feed has been full of positive Harris stories for weeks with Trump being constantly lampooned. If I went only by what X fed me I’d have bet my house on a Harris landslide.

maccruiskeenFull Member

“Different cheek, same arse.
Lembit Opik’s autobiography”

This needs an award. Genius

I’d love Starmer/anyone to just say we can’t afford to let lies and ignorance lead us down that US path

We’re already on that path and Starmer is central to it. The lies are those made by politicians who claim they are acting in the interests of everyone when we all know it isn’t true. Obviously Trump’s voters and supporters are going to find out the same thing in time but that will just open the door to another populist. You can’t beat populists by telling people you can’t do anything to help them.

You think the poor are treated on an equal footing in this country to the well off?

see, thing is I’ve a professional job and paid fairly well. I’m also historically at least, pretty left leaning.

when results like this, and brexit come in my opinion sways further and firmer towards that the fact that a seemingly large majority and an increasing percentage of the population are, frankly, utter scumbags.

That in turn makes me significantly less willing to give up income for taxation to go towards any form of rewarding these scumbags. I would far rather keep that to spend on giving my family a better life.

I can guarantee I’m not alone.

Well, I reckon I owe someone 50p, but I can’t remember who I made the bet with or even what page I made it.

Suspect this was before Biden dropped out though, so maybe void.

Can’t believe the world has 4 more years of the tangerine numb nuts.

Come on Dems, say it with me “It’s a private platform, if you don’t like it, make your own twitter” lol

No idea what your point is.

I’m simply pointing out that it is strange that Musk is banning journalists from X, given he bought the platform to defend his absolutist notion of free speech (a notion I personally am not against).

It’s also strange that you think Trump is any sort of free speech warrior, given he wants to strip half the US press of their licenses.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/22/media/trump-strip-tv-station-licenses-punish-media/index.html

Trumps campaign talked a lot about a positive vision for the future and the changes he would make, while the Harris campaign just screeched constantly about how Trump is a facist and the next Hitler.

Trump talked a lot about how immigrants were eating cats, he talked about how hed like it if the press were shot, he talked a lot about how his oponents were the enemy of the people, he spoke about an invasion of immigrants and how he wants to deport 100s of 1000s of them

And y’know he did try and overturn the results of the last election, get a mob to storm the capitol and keep spreading the same lies that it was stolen from him fraudulently, actual fascist stuff

I’d love Starmer/anyone to just say we can’t afford to let lies and ignorance lead us down that US path, and make it clear he won’t pander to it.

So would I. Just not in public. Tricky few years coming up without unnecessarily alienating the US administration.

I mean part of me wants to see the US back on a path of drawing into itself, into increasing irrelevance. But it’s just too big.

and lets not forget that musk bought twitter with the pretense of cleaning up bots and its now overun with them and that he’d stop fake news

but ended up just spreading conspiracy theories directly funded by putin, personally retweeting a lot of their great replacement theory racism

https://www.wired.com/story/influencers-tenet-benny-johnson-tim-pool-russia-propaganda-videos/

yay a bastion of free speech!!

I’m reminded of something I once read:

If you love free speech, but don’t apply that to everyone, what you actually love is privilege…

What amazes me is that when not even in power in 2020, the dems can orchestrate the largest voter fraud in US history. Yet seemingly they couldn’t do it this time, when you’d think they’d be in a far better position to get away with such dastardly behaviour..

I just don’t understand…

when results like this, and brexit come in my opinion sways further and firmer towards that the fact that a seemingly large majority and an increasing percentage of the population are, frankly, utter scumbags.

No, they ill informed, easily led, and aren’t being provided with a genuine alternative.

Let’s tackle those issues.

If you love free speech, but don’t apply that to everyone, what you actually love is privilege…

the irony being that musk has actually surpressed those he didnt like on twitter

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/elon-musk-chad-loder-twitter-b2271556.htmlhttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/elon-musk-chad-loder-twitter-b2271556.html

as well as folding to various governments and regimes around the world

https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-05-24/under-elon-musk-twitter-has-approved-83-of-censorship-requests-by-authoritarian-governments.html

yet people still claim hes about free speech and not just doing it for his own personal version of it

speech has never been free of consequences

thats why libel laws exist, its why you dont walk up to to someone in the pub and call them a ****

Trumps campaign talked a lot about a positive vision for the future and the changes he would make

They did?  Got any examples?

Double points if Led By Donkeys manage to get a poster  / banner / hot air balloon in shot during the inauguration.

I reckon you’d hear Trump’s eruption from here (I’m not in DC)

PS – I know that’s facetious, but if it’s going to be pants we might as well find joy where you can.

My point is that before Elon bought Twitter, every legitimate outrage about censorship was met with the cry of ‘if you don’t like it, start your own twitter’ from the left.
Yet now- they are suddenly all pro free speech because they can’t abuse X’s terms and conditions with impunity.

Typical lefty hypocrites.

And Trump is probably right- there is protecting free speech and then there is tolerating full on propaganda.
Respecting someone’s right to say what they like doesn’t mean giving it equal air time.
Like the five seconds of Maitles laying into Boris last night I caught (and I loathe Boris). Fine on a YouTube channel. Not fine for a state broadcaster.

I’ve been mulling this over since i woke up prematurely early at 6am this morning (normally don’t have to get before 8). There could actually be a positive such as some of the gaffs and stupid crackpot ideas to make us laugh.

Maybe straws and clutching come to mind.

Congratulations are flying in 

I’m just mystified why they let Boris on the tele to advertise his book

Funny isn’t it how the drive for inclusivity and equality never includes those that are economically or culturally disadvantaged?

that quite frankly is bullshit

Turns out kimbers had the words I was reaching for. Also applicable to:

And people of every class, colour and creed back him all the way.

Yes, there are, no doubt, some (for example) black LGBTQ+ folk who voted for Trump. But I would suggest the number who back him ‘all the way’ is pretty small. And, at the macro level, there is a large bias in favour of white men in Trump’s voter base.

My point is that before Elon bought Twitter, every legitimate outrage about censorship was met with the cry of ‘if you don’t like it, start your own twitter’ from the left.

Do you have an example of this “legitimate outrage”? You pretty much CAN abuse Twitter’s terms with impunity, which is why so many people have left – it’s a misogynist, racist cesspit since Elon sacked everyone and gave free reign to (irony) all the accounts that abuse its terms.

given donalds track record of falling out with everyone hes ever worked with, the eventual elon split should be good TV

Typical lefty hypocrites.

Bingo. No need to take any notice of this one going forwards, then.

Like the five seconds of Maitles laying into Boris last night I caught (and I loathe Boris). Fine on a YouTube channel. Not fine for a state broadcaster.

FWIW, advertising is not allowed on the BBC and that is what Johnson was there to do. His name, by the way, is Alexander. That’s what his friends and family know him as. ‘Boris’ is his second name and he uses it as a character construct to fool the hard of thinking. It’s somehow cuddlier than chilly old Alexander, eh?

Is that in your opinion as a Black LGBTQ+ American or are you putting words into someone else’s mouth because you consider yourself so enlightened?

My “Pro Trump” YouTube feed contained suggestions from loads of Black YouTubers…

Like the five seconds of Maitles laying into Boris last night I caught (and I loathe Boris). Fine on a YouTube channel. Not fine for a state broadcaster

You also missed that she left the state broadcaster at the end of 2021.

the Harris campaign just screeched constantly about how Trump is a facist and the next Hitler.

To be fair, he stood at a rally and started banging on about immigrants affecting the American bloodline. Which I think is taking white American privilege to the furthest extreme.

It is still possible for Kamala Harris to become president and Trump not to.

That would require both Biden and Trump somehow to become incapacitated prior to January 6 whereupon President Harris would hand over to President Vance.

I couldn’t care less…. If he agreed beforehand not to advertise then he shouldn’t have done it either.
Free speech doesn’t mean “no rules”.

But neither does it mean giving equal airtime to heavily politically biased presenters in either direction.

Given the collusion involved last time in suppressing the Hunter Laptop story- Trump has every right to be a bit miffed at the state of the US ‘press’.

That he triumphed in spite of the huge bias against him this time, just goes to show how the MSM grasp of the ‘narrative’ is failing year on year since last time…

Congratulations are flying in

Love Macron’s phrase ” with your convictions and mine”. Chapeau!